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    USA's COVID-19 Death Rate Is Far Below The Rates In Italy & Spain

    "The casual readers who skims headlines is likely to take away from this the idea that the United States is following the same trajectory as countries like Spain and Italy when it comes to the COVID-19 outbreak. We have heard that death rates in Italy are alarming in much of Western Europe, and some have claimed the US will soon experience the same fate as Italy. While it is true the United States will soon pass up Italy in terms of total cases, the US is far, far below Italy in terms of its COVID-19 death rate, even if we account for the differences in the timeline.

    As of March 23, in Italy, the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 total 9.4 per 100,000 people in Italy. Meanwhile, in the United States, the total is 0.2 deaths per 100,000. Among to the top ten countries in terms of total cases, the US has the second-lowest rate per 100,00, behind only Germany, which has so far a remarkably small number of deaths."

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    we have better quality of health care compared to Italy and Spain, but when you compare the numbers with china’s reported numbers, we are all behind.
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    Originally Posted by TonyTriangles View Post
    we have better quality of health care compared to Italy and Spain, but when you compare the numbers with china’s reported numbers, we are all behind.
    Yeah I don't believe a single word of what China says, nor should anyone else.
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    Italy and Spain rank FAR ahead of the USA as far as life expectancy goes. So, I'd imagine they have a much higher percentage of people 80+ as they live quite a few years longer than us.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    Italy and Spain rank FAR ahead of the USA as far as life expectancy goes. So, I'd imagine they have a much higher percentage of people 80+ as they live quite a few years longer than us.
    4 years on avg yep also assume proximity is generally closer
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    Italy and Spain rank FAR ahead of the USA as far as life expectancy goes. So, I'd imagine they have a much higher percentage of people 80+ as they live quite a few years longer than us.
    Nice excuse there....
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    Saw someone mention the percentage of elderly in Italy that are heavy cigarette smokers and it was shockingly high. Most likely a contributing factor.
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    I think a big factor in Italy is communal living. It's common for multiple generations to live under the same roof. So the younger family members were probably getting the elderly sick easily.
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    Seen a few articles coming out of Italy that suggest there are two strains of COVID-19 (A and B) with one form being more virulent.
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    Now watch for this to be corroborated - (can't link - Alex Berenson on twitter) - referring to the Imperial College study out of London that is one of the key factors, I think, in the sheer panic going on. IF the disease was more transmissible than they thought and by extension, less virulent (since many more people will have had it with no or mild symptoms), this all becomes a "whoops...never mind..." panic.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Nice excuse there....
    Excuse? You're saying that because they live longer you don't think they have an older population which we already know is more vulnerable? Ummmm.... OK... I guess that's my excuse.
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    This is mortality rate, which is number of deaths per unit population. Pretty much meaningless given that the US is still relatively early in the outbreak compared to countries like Italy. Tells you nothing other than that the virus hasn't spread much yet and so hasn't killed that many people.

    What's more useful is case fatality rate, or number of deaths as a percentage of confirmed cases. There's huge variation in these numbers between countries and little identifiable correlation of any kind.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    4 years on avg yep also assume proximity is generally closer
    That too... high population density cities. There is more than one factor at play here.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    Excuse? You're saying that because they live longer you don't think they have an older population which we already know is more vulnerable? Ummmm.... OK... I guess that's my excuse.
    Expecting dumb Dave to comprehend epidemiology is a pretty colossal stretch, give the guy a break
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    when will the europeans finally do the right thing and switch to a private health care system like ours. Just imagine Italy could have saved so many people
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    when will the europeans finally do the right thing and switch to a private health care system like ours. Just imagine Italy could have saved so many people
    No you don't understand, it's thanks to socialized health care that Italy is not doing WORSE, like other countries that are doing much worse, I mean no other country is doing worse yet but just wait and see!
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    This is mortality rate, which is number of deaths per unit population. Pretty much meaningless given that the US is still relatively early in the outbreak compared to countries like Italy. Tells you nothing other than that the virus hasn't spread much yet and so hasn't killed that many people.

    What's more useful is case fatality rate, or number of deaths as a percentage of confirmed cases. There's huge variation in these numbers between countries and little identifiable correlation of any kind.
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    when will the europeans finally do the right thing and switch to a private health care system like ours. Just imagine Italy could have saved so many people
    I guess by that logic the best healthcare is a universal multi payer healthcare system like Germany and Japan?
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    I guess by that logic the best healthcare is a universal multi payer healthcare system like Germany and Japan?
    Or a nationalised single payer healthcare system like South Korea's. It's almost like the model of healthcare system has had zero correlation with the outcome of this virus
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Or a nationalised single payer healthcare system like South Korea's. It's almost like the model of healthcare system has had zero correlation with the outcome of this virus
    Actually doesn't outside of having enough equipment specifically vents. All healthcare can do is react to what's happening it's up to society and government to slow this thing down within reason.
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    Ive been waiting for those 2 weeks since 3 weeks ago lol
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    Originally Posted by ScottTil View Post
    when will the europeans finally do the right thing and switch to a private health care system like ours. Just imagine Italy could have saved so many people
    Germany also has a socialised health care system, there are clearly other factors at play as well.
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    we have better quality of health care compared to Italy and Spain, but when you compare the numbers with china’s reported numbers, we are all behind.
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    How bad is China going to look with their official cases & deaths and countries like Italy were comparatively much worse off?

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    *sigh*

    R/P dull witted again.

    The death rate is a lagging indicator, it's following the same exponential curve as every other country, it's just a couple of weeks behind infections.

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    Originally Posted by Weightaholic View Post
    *sigh*

    R/P dull witted again.

    The death rate is a lagging indicator, it's following the same exponential curve as every other country, it's just a couple of weeks behind infections.

    Yes, Italy has an older population, but you have a fatter and dumber one.
    They're not testing everyone, the actual cases are probably absurdly high due to its contagiousness. Nothing dull witted about it.
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    fck the death rate our problem is the amount of people affected. our healthcare system cant handle it.
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