After the many years I’ve been training I choose to base my training off intuition and actual trial and error and experienced gained learning what works for me and what doesn’t and not just off what some study says.
Studies have their place but they are not guaranteed. Just because a study says something does NOT mean it’s right or will be true for everyone.
How about some actual trial and error in the gym and figuring out firsthand what kind of results you get doing something versus speculation because of something you read.
Enough of this trying to quantify everything for everyone. No study replaces actual experience in the gym trying something out for a period of time and evaluating results.
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03-25-2020, 07:34 AM #31- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 10:14 AM #32
Good to know my fan base is growing.
Water retention and glycogen as well as food in GI tract can account for up to 10lbs of weight gain coming off a long, steep cut fyi. To educate you, in order to gain 10lbs in a week I would have to have eaten a 5000 calorie surplus a day which is 35,000 calories a week where a week has 7 days which is 10lbs of fat since 1lb of fat is 3500 calories. That means I only really gained 10lbs of body mass in fat and muscle in 3 months which puts me at 3.3lbs of solid mass (fat+muscle) gain a month. And if you think accuracy in counting calories is the problem, all calories are calculated daily using fitness pal and if unsure about fitness pal values, I google it. Also got a new digital scale for weighing food and also account for all sauces. No extra liquid calories slipping through the cracks either.Last edited by Animal2692; 03-25-2020 at 01:00 PM.
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"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 01:01 PM #33
Let me ask you this. Where else do studies come from? In these studies, subjects are exposed to real lifting conditions, real lifting experiences with different volumes and loads.
I go off of studies that ARE based off real experiences. They don't have the be completely separate from experience like black and white."The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 01:22 PM #34
Thanks for editing your initial response 3 hrs later to add the extra paragraph to further educate me on how gaining 20 lbs in 3 months is the ideal way to bulk.
Do whatever you want, I only respond so newbies who read your lengthy posts about the one right way to do things (oddly a diff theory every week) don't get the wrong idea that you actually know what you're talking about.
Have fun weighing your Big Macs, nuggets & honey mustard/BBQ sauces - must have a lot stuck in your GI tract.
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03-25-2020, 01:29 PM #35
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Size = volume PERIOD.......so long as the weight is at least 60% of a 1 rep max. 2, fast contraction speed = extremely high mechanical tension, in fact if the speed and loading are correct it will equal 1 rep max force. Define junk volume. EVERY REP COUNTS 'IF' the load on the bar is at least 60% of a 1 rep max.
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03-25-2020, 01:40 PM #36
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Mechanical tension is maxed out either with maximum contraction speed or maximum load. Muscle fiber recruitment IS the equation. There are 3 ways to get it, repeated effort, maximum effort, speed. If you disagree with any of that you disagree with all of the former Soviet Union Olympic coaches, Louie Simmons, the late Fred Hatfield and the late Mel Siff. ALL work set reps, 60% + matter! I don't train for size. Size is just a nasty side effect of power building. If I eat enough I get bigger.
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03-25-2020, 01:58 PM #37
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You're bass-akwards again. 80% of a 1 rep max, an 8 rep max weight, recruits 100% on the very first rep. If someone has more fast twitch fibers they will do FEWER reps not more and the difference doesn't show up until they get into the higher rep ranges, typically above 6 reps. Your statement about cross bridging is correct but you have no idea how to train for speed or what happens when we perform explosive Olympic lifts and their cousins. I'll give you a hint, it's all about the central nervous system. Google Westside Barbell, dynamic effort.
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03-25-2020, 02:07 PM #38
Yes but those are the results for those people. It doesn’t mean that anyone else’s results would be the exact same. Studies are simply a guidance to go on...it is not guaranteed to deliver the same results for every trainee out there. That’s why some studies come and go; at one point it was believed to be true but then another study is done that shows different results, etc.
Have YOU tested your theories out by trying something for a period of at least 8-12 weeks and see what your results are compared to other training methods?Last edited by health4life24; 03-25-2020 at 02:13 PM.
- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 03:33 PM #39
Fast contraction speed does NOT equal high mechanical tension, it only equals high motor unit recruitment. In order to have high mechanical tension, you need to have a slow rep speed as a result of producing insufficient force. This is when you're lifting loads of 80%+ or when approaching failure with a lighter weight and rep speed slows as well as deliberately lifting a light weight slowly without going to failure.
Junk volume is all volume done with 5 or more reps left in reserve each set from failure. If volume=size then I should be building muscle with 100 rep sets.
https://ibb.co/jLF0gwMLast edited by Animal2692; 03-25-2020 at 04:01 PM.
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03-25-2020, 03:38 PM #40
An 8 rep max is a bit high to recruit all fibers right from the first rep. A 5 rep max would recruit all fibers out of the gate because you can only do 5-7 stimulating reps in a set with 5 applying to most people. And yes, more fast twitch is less reps. I meant to say the only way 80% RM would recruit all fibers is if the individual has more fast twitch, thus only being able to do 5 reps max at 80%.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
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03-25-2020, 03:40 PM #41
High mechanical tension is either the result of lifting loads of 80%+ or rep speed being slowed down due to fatigue or deliberately lifting a light weight slowly.
When you purposely lift a light weight slowly, you are recruiting less muscle fibers but placing more mechanical tension on dormant fibers.
To stimulate growth, you need a combination of high motor recruitment and high mechanical tension.
https://ibb.co/jLF0gwM
When rep speed goes up, mechanical tension goes down due to more fibers taking over. When mechanical tension goes up, rep speed goes down due to less fibers taking over (if deliberately lifting slowly).
Therefore, in order for a light weight to have high mechanical tension, the set has to be taken close to failure where the reps are slow just as they would be lifting a heavy weight.Last edited by Animal2692; 03-25-2020 at 04:02 PM.
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"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 03:47 PM #42
I felt bad leaving the ignorant clueless, thought it would be selfish of me not to step back in and do some educating. And brotha there is nothing wrong with that, we are constantly learning.
I eat 2800 calories a day and I still see my abs after gaining 20lbs. You clearly don't understand how much weight water retention and glycogen adds. Weight can fluctuate by 10lbs as water, glycogen, and GI tract food. When people go keto, they immediately drop 10lbs in a flash due to less carb intake leading to less water retention and glycogen storage.
And what makes you so sure that just because you respond so that newbies wouldn't get the wrong idea don't actually get the wrong idea? I get that 1500 posts must make you feel like a forum god but there's people here with 10x your post count and are still clueless.Last edited by Animal2692; 03-25-2020 at 04:14 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
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03-25-2020, 04:16 PM #44
I even underlined it for you. https://ibb.co/q92yCm2
Fast contraction speed=high motor recruitment. Not tension."The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 04:16 PM #45
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And yet the science says you are wrong. 80%. Period. It's been tested to death. Google scholar! I DID NOT SAY they were recruited at their maximum firing rate. 3 sets of 5 at 80% and the last 2 reps of each set poke Mr. CNS in the eye with a sharp stick.....especially the last set. If I really want to trip the breakers I'll go with 3 sets of 3 at 85% or 3 sets of 2 at 90%. I wont last more that a few weeks doing that but I've done it before to force the issue. Lastly a 1x5 rep max is about 87%. I've run Bill Starr's 5x5 many, many times. I know that number by heart.
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03-25-2020, 04:19 PM #47
Having a discussion is one thing but when you start calling people ignorant and claiming to have to educate them is when it goes too far. There's enough negativity, don't bring more to the table.
- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 04:19 PM #48
In an 8 rep max set, the first few reps are still pretty easy because contraction speed is fast. So only reps 3-8 would be stimulating since 5 reps is the most stimulating reps you can do in a set for most people.
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03-25-2020, 04:22 PM #49
Lol you're delusional. And yeah ok, says the negative one himself. You sound butthurt, I know the truth hurts. Didn't know people were such snowflakes around here. Gonna cry about that one too now? If I sat around being a keyboard warrior with 12,000 posts, I'd feel the same way.Last edited by Animal2692; 03-25-2020 at 04:35 PM.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 04:30 PM #51
You keep missing the point. I'm saying the last 5 reps to failure are considered stimulating because that's when rep speed starts slowing down. 12 rep set? Reps 7-12 are stimulating. 20 rep set? Reps 15-20 are stimulating. Stopping the set too early in these rep ranges produce little to no growth.
"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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03-25-2020, 04:37 PM #52- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 04:42 PM #54- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 05:01 PM #57
LOL okay bro. Do you really think I give a damn about ego on an Internet forum? And everyone here is just keeping it one hundred percent real with you. Look around. You’re the only one arguing with everyone trying to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
Most people post a study to give people the opportunity to read it and chime in their opinion. You post a study and claim that your way is the only way that works and that everybody should follow suit.
See the problem? Maybe if you posted a study and asked people their opinions and thoughts and didn’t try to force it in their face that what you’re saying is fact people would respond differently and we could have a more constructive discussion.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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03-25-2020, 05:08 PM #60- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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