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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    Please explain to me how receiving loans that need to be paid back is = taking free money with no strings attached.

    Asked this in another thread and you ignored, lil' buddy.

    Thanks!
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    because Unions hurt more workers than they help. The only way Unions can artificially prop up wages is by limiting supply. Aka, forcing people into other jobs that are less well paid, or into unemployment. Why should you have a "right" to a specific job over someone else by virtue of being there first?
    That's not true. They are helping millions of Chinese sweat shop workers.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    So the dems are holding up the bill because they want to somehow tie in environmental BS and other garbage?

    Dems are just toying with the future of our country.

    Shouldn't expect much else from the party that can't even successfully run a primary election without mass chaos.
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    Originally Posted by TurbanMon View Post
    because Unions hurt more workers than they help. The only way Unions can artificially prop up wages is by limiting supply. Aka, forcing people into other jobs that are less well paid, or into unemployment. Why should you have a "right" to a specific job over someone else by virtue of being there first?
    The ONLY power workers have is to collectively bargain. Individually they are meaningless. Conservatives used to know that.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Why do conservatives hate unions again? Because workers had power and received real wage increases then?
    I guess dems need a union to think for them and negotiate benefits that they could negotiate for themselves if they were smart, but are too lazy and just go with the herd.

    Also, unions place a lot of lobby money with the dems (lightbulb).
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    At this point I honestly DGAF. At all. If an utter and complete collapse of our economy (taking the world down with us) is the only way to save our country from turning into yet another socialist paradise, so be it.

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    And that abstinence teaching, damn you'd think the dems wouldn't try to stick that one in...oh wait.

    Two things republicans can get down with. Giving free money to corporations, no strings attached. And teaching young people abstinence. I can't really think of any plans more likely to fail.

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    If I can find an unbiased source stating that the dem add-ons for green energy, etc caused the bill to not pass, I will speak against them.

    However, we all know the real issue is the GOPs demand to have completely oversite free money given to corporations. And we know exactly what they do when given oversite free money don't we?

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me a thousand times? I must be a Trump supporter.
    Still waiting schill. Seems you must be a trump supporter.
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    Pelosi has a habit of holding bills up intentionally. She hasn't learned.
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    Pelosi has a habit of holding bills up intentionally. She hasn't learned.
    Minority leader Nancy has a nice ring to it. Hope she enjoys her last few months in the majority. We have never had a more worthless congress than the one we have right now.
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    Originally Posted by ImpressiveGainz View Post
    At this point I honestly DGAF. At all. If an utter and complete collapse of our economy (taking the world down with us) is the only way to save our country from turning into yet another socialist paradise, so be it.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
    That would pretty much guarantee a socialist government tbh

    Imagine millions of versions of Sillie, just without jobs and about 30 IQ points lower. You think they're going to vote for Republicans after 5 years of TDS during a crashed economy?
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    Minority leader Nancy has a nice ring to it. Hope she enjoys her last few months in the majority. We have never had a more worthless congress than the one we have right now.
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    I'm not included in the set of people to get checks, so have a hard time getting upset at this delay.

    What are others thinking, here?

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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    I'm not included in the set of people to get checks, so have a hard time getting upset at this delay.

    What are others thinking, here?

    "Hurry up and send me your money you evil people!"
    I’m sure the waiters, waitresses, bartenders, retail workers, teaching assistants etc don’t need it either. Thank the people you support for abandoning the working class trying to make ends meet.

    What about the gym you practice bjj at? How are they doing? You’re a selfish person.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    I'm not included in the set of people to get checks, so have a hard time getting upset at this delay.

    What are others thinking, here?

    "Hurry up and send me your money you evil people!"
    Same here.

    I think this proposed stimulus package is a good sign going forward. All the free stuff (healthcare, student loans/university, UBI) talked about is said to be paid by "the one percent" or sometimes even "the top tenth of the top one percent" if implemented. And they always say "you are voting against your own interest" by voting against all this free stuff, unless you are jeff bezos himself.

    But look at this stimulus package. 75k annual income limit tapered down to 99k? This stimulus will go to the lower class, and the cost is going to be added to the deficit, whose interest gets paid for by the middle class. Little doubt in my mind that all the "free" stuff would be similar. I won't get any of these benefits, yet it'll all be paid for by me, a guy who makes a relatively good income but yet still can't even buy my own home yet.

    Not upset at all it got blocked. I've got my own problems to deal with, stop reaching into my pockets.
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    Originally Posted by SaviorSelfJT View Post
    Same here.

    I think this proposed stimulus package is a good sign going forward. All the free stuff (healthcare, student loans/university, UBI) talked about is said to be paid by "the one percent" or sometimes even "the top tenth of the top one percent" if implemented. And they always say "you are voting against your own interest" by voting against all this free stuff, unless you are jeff bezos himself.

    But look at this stimulus package. 75k annual income limit tapered down to 99k? This stimulus will go to the lower class, and the cost is going to be added to the deficit, whose interest gets paid for by the middle class. Little doubt in my mind that all the "free" stuff would be similar. I won't get any of these benefits, yet it'll all be paid for by me, a guy who makes a relatively good income but yet still can't even buy my own home yet.

    Not upset at all it got blocked. I've got my own problems to deal with, stop reaching into my pockets.
    Except it’s going to get passed but at a higher amount, so you’ll owe more.
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    I wouldn’t get anything but I think people should be getting the no interest loans, not corporations.

    I also don’t want abortions being funded Democrats or big corporations bailed out by Republicans.

    I hate all of these people.

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    Except it’s going to get passed but at a higher amount, so you’ll owe more.
    Didn't the democrats want the means testing removed from the bill? Or did they want something else? If so, my "share" of the deficit increase minus payout could possibly be less.

    If not, then oh well. For once I thought that the dems may have actually had my back.
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    A 2017 report from the Government Accountability Office claimed that the "Obamaphone" program, which gave cell phones to poor people, stashed $9 billion in private bank accounts and was "rife with fraud," the Washington Times reported at the time. The GAO report found that about 10.6 million people have an Obamaphone, but 36 percent of them may not qualify. The audit also concluded that more than 5,500 people were found to be enrolled for two phones, while the program was paying for about 6,400 phones for persons the government has listed as dead, the paper reported.

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    Didn't the democrats want the means testing removed from the bill? Or did they want something else? If so, my "share" of the deficit increase minus payout could possibly be less.
    They wanted $100m for NASA, funding for community newspapers and pensions for their employees, student loan relief, laws regarding equal pay etc. The dems bill totaled 2.5t, the republican 1.8t.
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    Originally Posted by rise21 View Post
    They wanted $100m for NASA, funding for community newspapers and pensions for their employees, student loan relief, laws regarding equal pay etc. The dems bill totaled 2.5t, the republican 1.8t.
    I can't find anything that says the dems want the means testing removed. I better leave this thread before I have a stroke
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    That would pretty much guarantee a socialist government tbh

    Imagine millions of versions of Sillie, just without jobs and about 30 IQ points lower. You think they're going to vote for Republicans after 5 years of TDS during a crashed economy?
    No, it'd probably bankrupt the country and we could do a hard reset.
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    The nonsense that Dems have stabbed the American people in the back over twice now that they wanted in the bill:

    Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance.
    Bailing out all current debt of postal service
    Required early voting
    Required same day voter registration
    10k bailout for student loans
    For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
    Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
    Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
    Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
    Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
    $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
    Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

    AND

    $35,000,000 for the JFK Performing Arts Center.


    What the ever living phuc???

    Also

    "USA Today noted that Pelosi’s bill calls for nationwide ballot harvesting, a shady practice that is believed to lead to voter fraud:

    Perhaps the most troubling sections of the bill are under the rubric ‘‘American Coronavirus/COVID–19 Election Safety and Security” or ‘‘ACCESS” Act. This section would impose requirements on states for early voting, voting by mail, required mailing of absentee ballots to everyone, ballot harvesting (i.e., having third parties deliver absentee ballots), online voter registration, same-day registration and other practices which undermine confidence in the integrity of the ballot. In these days of increasing threats to election security we should be moving rapidly back to in-person paper ballots, but this bill would be a radical step in the wrong direction."
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    Originally Posted by RamataKahn View Post
    The nonsense that Dems have stabbed the American people in the back over twice now that they wanted in the bill:

    Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance.
    Bailing out all current debt of postal service
    Required early voting
    Required same day voter registration
    10k bailout for student loans
    For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
    Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
    Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
    Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
    Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
    $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
    Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

    AND

    $35,000,000 for the JFK Performing Arts Center.


    What the ever living phuc???

    Also

    "USA Today noted that Pelosi’s bill calls for nationwide ballot harvesting, a shady practice that is believed to lead to voter fraud:

    Perhaps the most troubling sections of the bill are under the rubric ‘‘American Coronavirus/COVID–19 Election Safety and Security” or ‘‘ACCESS” Act. This section would impose requirements on states for early voting, voting by mail, required mailing of absentee ballots to everyone, ballot harvesting (i.e., having third parties deliver absentee ballots), online voter registration, same-day registration and other practices which undermine confidence in the integrity of the ballot. In these days of increasing threats to election security we should be moving rapidly back to in-person paper ballots, but this bill would be a radical step in the wrong direction."
    Damn that's some shady chit. Now I'm for most of it but damn to tie it to this bill is tone deaf.

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Damn that's some shady chit. Now I'm for most of it but damn to tie it to this bill is tone deaf.

    Stupid dems.
    wake up Sillie. This is your freaking party, it always has been.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    wake up Sillie. This is your freaking party, it always has been.
    There's a bunch of rational people out there who realize just how dog**** both parties are. The sad part is the people who voted for Trump in 2016 thinking they would get something different frankly aren't.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Damn that's some shady chit. Now I'm for most of it but damn to tie it to this bill is tone deaf.

    Stupid dems.
    Never let a tragedy go to waste. Dem special interests are furiously masturbating to the thought of using the relief bill as a vehicle to get paid/push their agendas
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Damn that's some shady chit. Now I'm for most of it but damn to tie it to this bill is tone deaf.

    Stupid dems.
    It's what both sides do every time. Democrats just seem to be less coy about it.


    Just wait for it, they will say that the GOP is preventing aid from getting to Americans by holding up their bill which is just meant to give "full assistance to the American public"
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    Originally Posted by compan View Post
    It's what both sides do every time. Democrats just seem to be less coy about it.


    Just wait for it, they will say that the GOP is preventing aid from getting to Americans by holding up their bill which is just meant to give "full assistance to the American public"
    And then CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Bloomberg, New York times, NPR, ect will all parrot this talking point.
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    Originally Posted by RamataKahn View Post
    The nonsense that Dems have stabbed the American people in the back over twice now that they wanted in the bill:

    Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance.
    Bailing out all current debt of postal service
    Required early voting
    Required same day voter registration
    10k bailout for student loans
    For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
    Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
    Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
    Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
    Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
    $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
    Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

    AND

    $35,000,000 for the JFK Performing Arts Center.
    Don't forget the $300,000,000 for foreign refugees.

    What a joke.
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