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    Originally Posted by rocketfish View Post
    well yea, exclusives have no other versions and are made for the console itself only. however games from third party developers (multi-platform games) such as call of duty would likely run better on the new xbox especially if they start to scale things upward like MASSIVE online lobbies. Could be a difference between 60fps stable and the game running 40-50 fps in high intense battles. (not sure on fps numbers, both consoles claiming 4k 120fps, but i have my doubts)
    Exactly, all eyes are on how big multiplats run compared on the two systems at launch time. How much better games were running on the PS4 over Xboner caught lots of headlines and helped Sony get off to a good start.

    Sony is going full retard is they don't have a PS5Pro for launch alongside this limp dik system.
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    Also, the 9 TFLOPS that was rumoured is the constant TFLOPS whereas 10+ is variable, meaning it is mostly at 9. Whereas the 12 for the SEXbox is constant not variable. It's essentially overclocked to get 10 and when it gets too hot it drops.

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    Someone translate this news for me. Is it gonna be a real difference or similar to how it has been where you need to zoom in on pixels?
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    So 9TF was right. They OC'd it to 10 to save face but it will just throttle down.

    Oh well, anyone who was paying attention knew MS was gonna kill it this gen with their R&D, power, and studio acquisitions.
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    Originally Posted by TBO1313 View Post
    Someone translate this news for me. Is it gonna be a real difference or similar to how it has been where you need to zoom in on pixels?
    Anyone who has a good TV an not suffering from macular degeneration will notice a difference.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Anyone who has a good TV an not suffering from macular degeneration will notice a difference.
    Until later games start releasing with higher graphics and framerates start taking a hit cause the system can't handle newer released games anymore

    edit : thought you said "will not notice"
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    Originally Posted by TBO1313 View Post
    Someone translate this news for me. Is it gonna be a real difference or similar to how it has been where you need to zoom in on pixels?
    It will be a bigger difference than just the 2-3TF deficit would have you believe. If you factor in ray tracing, Series X is effectively putting out 25TF of performance and this isn't even accounting for all their new optimizations and enhancements such as DirectML, SDR to HDR Conversion, Variable Rate Shading, and Xbox Velocity Architecture. Sony is going to get killed in comparisons unless they put out a pro version. It will look like MS jumped 2 generations ahead of Sony.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Anyone who has a good TV an not suffering from macular degeneration will notice a difference.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Exactly, all eyes are on how big multiplats run compared on the two systems at launch time. How much better games were running on the PS4 over Xboner caught lots of headlines and helped Sony get off to a good start.

    Sony is going full retard is they don't have a PS5Pro for launch alongside this limp dik system.

    also need to account for developers using ray tracing in their games. we all know ray tracing is extremely taxing on the system, hell a bunch of PC gamers will disable ray tracing for better FPS/performance.

    now account for the fact when you buy a console you aren't even the option to change graphic settings, etc. So a ray tracing game like the future call of duty will run smooth on the xbox and have performance issues on the ps5.


    Now we know why sony has kept real quiet on their console, and its also likely their dev kit was very similar to the actual console that got chit on design wise. Thats why we havent even seen the console, because it was back to the drawing board.



    Also lol when watching the press conference/reveal/annoucement, the dude highlighted "TERAFLOPS DONT MEAN EVERYTHING" and showed a graph saying "console tflops do not equal ps5 flops"

    sony absolutely needs to put out a rush on a ps5 PRO and do it now, microsoft guaranteed is going to sell this console at a big loss just get the sales and make it up with xbox live memberships/games later
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    Basically Japanese engineering vs Americans engineering. Sony focused on being efficiencnt and on that **** about audio and storage. Microsoft went all for power.

    I think Sony ****ed up big this time. Unless this ssd storage technology is a game changer like they want us to believe.
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    Originally Posted by fahdalsheheata View Post
    Basically Japanese engineering vs Americans engineering. Sony focused on being efficiencnt and on that **** about audio and storage. Microsoft went all for power.

    I think Sony ****ed up big this time. Unless this ssd storage technology is a game changer like they want us to believe.
    SSD do not give performance increases. It can only read/write files faster, no fps gainz.
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    This sounds like the age old Camaro vs Mustang debate.

    One manufacture has specs that make one look like the clear winner on paper, but it would only be noticeable in a lab (or professional driver) in a situation that would almost never be realized in day to day use.

    Both are going to function perfectly fine and serve their respective clientele while virgin phaggots argue about irrelevant data sheet numbers that mean virtually fukall in real life. neat.
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    Xbox won this generation but it’s not a big difference when you put things in perspective

    Rtx 2080 is 10 teraflops

    Rtx 2080 super is 11.3 teraflops

    Rtx 2080 Ti is 13.5 teraflops

    So xbox is sitting between Rtx 2080 super and 2080 TI and PS5 is equivalent to Rtx 2080

    It wouldn’t be bad if ps5 is priced lower than Xbox, the only concern I have for ps5 is if it is going to handle demanding games at 4k 60 fps. They’d probably dial down some settings on ps5 version which would probably not going to make a big difference if you’re not too picky with visual fidelity.

    Still nothing beats PC gaming if you want the best possible graphics

    Nvidia will probably release third generation RTX graphics cards this year that mogs both consoles before they come out
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    Originally Posted by Kabamaro View Post
    Xbox won this generation but it’s not a big difference when you put things in perspective

    Rtx 2080 is 10 teraflops

    Rtx 2080 super is 11.3 teraflops

    Rtx 2080 Ti is 13.5 teraflops

    So xbox is sitting between Rtx 2080 super and 2080 TI and PS5 is equivalent to Rtx 2080

    It wouldn’t be bad if ps5 is priced lower than Xbox, the only concern I have for ps5 is if it is going to handle demanding games at 4k 60 fps. They’d probably dial down some settings on ps5 version which would probably not going to make a big difference if you’re not too picky with visual fidelity.

    Still nothing beats PC gaming if you want the best possible graphics

    Nvidia will probably release third generation RTX graphics cards this year that mogs both consoles before they come out
    When you put it this way, the difference is honestly pretty minimal.


    Imagine a naughty dog tier optimized game on a 2080. That's plenty good enough for me

    Honestly I've reached the point of playing where i'm fine with the graphics of a ps4 base (non-pro). All I wanted for the last 15 years or so, on consoles, is 1080p at 60fps without any dips. We're reached that so i'm not really going to complain about either console. I'm curious to see what launch titles are available for both more than anything else
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    What are the prices going to be, though?

    If Sony undercuts Microsoft enough, most people will go with the cheaper option, especially the less informed and parents.

    Call it a gamble or hubris, but the other factor that Sony might be considering is because of this new generation's backwards compatibility and the rise of digital purchases, how many people are going to feel invested in one platform over the other, and will simply continue forward with whichever one that might be so as to not lose everything?

    That's less of an issue with physical games on a physical console, but if people bought into Sony or Microsoft's online stores, those purchases might weigh on them a bit since they would not carry forward onto their next device, forcing them to keep the old one around.

    Another possible gamble on their part (and our own speculation) is how much that promise by Xbox to release games compatible for the Xbox One for 2 years influenced Sony's possible thinking.

    For example, if Sony thinks they can release a competent enough device now for less money, that gives them enough time to release a Pro version as things begin to heat up. Microsoft is also supposedly doing the opposite of that, releasing a budget-friendly system later on.

    Lastly, and again a possible sign of arrogance, Sony could have seen the performance difference between the PS4 Pro and XboneX, and the effect that had on sales and console growth, and not seen hardware superiority as the imperative over other factors like pricing.

    The only big area I think Sony actually did something good hardware-wise is by using a non-proprietary NVME SSD expansion slot. I remember the Xbox 360 days all too well, and those proprietary drives Microsoft used were a goddamn rip-off.

    Where they really screwed up is not investing enough into ray tracing, but that might have/might be a major part in cost differentiation.

    Whatever the case may be, I have no dog in this fight and I'm not buying either system, but Sony's core advantage to me still lies in exclusives. Microsoft might have bought a bunch of studios, but that means nothing if they still have not proven anything come time the new systems are out. Likewise, Microsoft's exclusives and their best days are behind them, so they have to re-prove themselves and restore faith for people like myself who gave up ages ago.

    In fact, as a PC user, I'm exactly the sort of person who should be cheering on Microsoft to bring out the goods because of their Play Anywhere policy... but I'm left apathetic. Just the rumors that Zero Dawn: Horizon was heading to PC piqued my interest more than anything out of Microsoft in over a decade, and if more Playstation games head towards PC to compete with Microsoft on that front, then all the better.

    *I also could have sworn reading a statement that COVID-19 might delay the Xbox's release date, but no such thing for Sony. If they're pushing for an early start out of the gate, that could also be a part of their thinking.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Whats the deal with expansion storages?
    Xbox will sell a proprietary unit that looks like a memory card. Sony has added in extra storage slot that you can put a compatible/authorized over the counter ssd in. Sony clearly learned a lesson from those stupid expensive memory sticks for psp/psvita.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    You know this isn’t true.

    Eh...2tf is a serious difference. Srs.

    And GPU isn't the only place Microsoft has Sony outperformed.
    Disappointing as fk to be honest.
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    Originally Posted by bartosh View Post
    When you put it this way, the difference is honestly pretty minimal.
    It really isn't though. Look at 2080 benchmarks vs 2080Ti. There's a serious jump in performance from one to the other.
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    Originally Posted by fahdalsheheata View Post
    Basically Japanese engineering vs Americans engineering. Sony focused on being efficiencnt and on that **** about audio and storage. Microsoft went all for power.

    I think Sony ****ed up big this time. Unless this ssd storage technology is a game changer like they want us to believe.
    SSD's really are a game changer for consoles. Srs. Load times will be almost non existent. That's pretty massive. I mean I was playing Day's Gone today and cringing to myself at the insane load time the game has when it first opens, then level load time. That would be essentially 100% gone if the PS4 had an SSD like next gen consoles will have.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    SSD's really are a game changer for consoles. Srs. Load times will be almost non existent. That's pretty massive. I mean I was playing Day's Gone today and cringing to myself at the insane load time the game has when it first opens, then level load time. That would be essentially 100% gone if the PS4 had an SSD like next gen consoles will have.
    I have an SSD in my PS4 and it makes a huge difference. But just LoL@ Sony trying to sell people that load times are more important than graphical performance. I can buy my own SSD, but I can't make the CPU/GPU not suck.

    I'll say it again. Sony has gone full retard if they aren't keeping a PS5 Pro a secret and this limp dik system is all they are launching into next generation with.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    It really isn't though. Look at 2080 benchmarks vs 2080Ti. There's a serious jump in performance from one to the other.
    The difference isn't big, 2080 is more than enough

    Game EFPS is the most important factor

    Check the benchmarks of 2080:

    GTA V 128 FPS

    Overwatch 170 FPS

    PUBG 151 FPS

    Fortnite 169 FPS


    Considering that the best TVs now are maxed out at 120HZ the extra FPS on the Xbox will not make a difference for TVs unless you connect them to those small gaming monitors that can do 144-240hz for competitive first person shooters

    I'm expecting Sony will release a Pro version in the future once better TVs are released
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