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    RIP Playstation 5 .... Weaker than Xbox Sex

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    Source? Considering the video is live now and they haven’t said it yet.

    Also, 99% don’t even know what a teraflop is. The games will look great on both consoles. Get the one with the games you want to play.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Source? Considering the video is live now and they haven’t said it yet.

    Also, 99% don’t even know what a teraflop is. The games will look great on both consoles. Get the one with the games you want to play.

    Resereta



    And the video is live right now bro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8L...ture=emb_title



    On the face of it, PlayStation 5 delivers a ton of power, but there does seem to be an extra onus on developers to optimise to these new characteristics. The question is, what happens when the processor does hit its power limit and components down-clock? In his presentation, Mark Cerny freely admits that CPU and GPU won't always be running at 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz respectively.

    "When that worst case game arrives, it will run at a lower clock speed. But not too much lower, to reduce power by 10 per cent it only takes a couple of percent reduction in frequency, so I'd expect any downclocking to be pretty minor," he explains. "All things considered, the change to a variable frequency approach will show significant gains for PlayStation gamers."

    On a features level, Cerny reveals features that suggest parity with other upcoming AMD and AMD-derived products based on the RDNA 2 technology. A new block known as the Geometry Engine offers developers unparalleled control over triangles and other primitives, and easy optimisation for geometry culling. Functionality extends to the creation of 'primitive shaders' which sounds very similar to the mesh shaders found in Nvidia Turing and upcoming RDNA 2 GPUs.

    While Cerny doesn't mention technologies such as machine learning support or variable rate shading, PS5 does indeed deliver hardware-accelerated ray tracing via its Intersection Engine, which Cerny says is "based on the same strategy as AMD's upcoming PC GPUs". There had been speculation of an external block, but that's not the case - like next-gen Navi and Xbox Series X, the RT hardware is built into the shaders and so fully integrated. Similar to the RDNA implementation, PS5 will have access to the same kind of RT implementations we've seen in the PC space - reflections, ambient occlusion, shadows and global illumination are a good fit.

    "How far can we go? I'm starting to get quite bullish," says Cerny. "I've already seen a PS5 title that is successfully using ray-tracing-based reflections in complex animated scenes, with only modest costs."
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Resereta



    And the video is live right now bro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8L...ture=emb_title
    Not that I don't believe it. I feared MS stepping up big and Sony getting too comfortable but there has literally been millions of rumors, why is this one real?

    Watching stream now and this guy is talking like he is hiding something. If this guy had more Terafloppers he'd have the confidence to open with it. Meanwhile he is trying trying to make everything seem better than it is.
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    Reeeeeesetara? Lol. and i know the video is live now. I said it was in the post you quoted and the guy hasn’t said it yet.
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    Not that I don't believe it. I feared MS stepping up big and Sony getting too comfortable but there has literally been millions of rumors, why is this one real?

    Watching stream now and this guy is talking like he is hiding something. If this guy had more Terafloppers he'd have the confidence to open with it. Meanwhile he is trying trying to make everything seem better than it is.
    IGN posted it too, the specs in the OP are correct. (it was from Digital Foundry)
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    If it is true, someone explain the difference between 10 vs 12 teraflops and why it even matters. X1X was more powerful than ps4 pro and everyone still chose PlayStation. Why would it be any different this time?
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    Not that I don't believe it. I feared MS stepping up big and Sony getting too comfortable but there has literally been millions of rumors, why is this one real?

    Watching stream now and this guy is talking like he is hiding something. If this guy had more Terafloppers he'd have the confidence to open with it. Meanwhile he is trying trying to make everything seem better than it is.


    Welllll I'm no tech nerd, but I'm gonna guess there's not gonna be TOOOO much of a difference between the specs. It'll probably be like the difference between the current PS4 pro and Xbox 1x (not so bad imo).... Xbox games will look better but not to the native eye unless you're nitpicking everything. Exclusive games between the both will definitely showcase the diffrerences between both consoles so your mileage may vary.

    Seems like this might be the best time to go multi-console again like the previous gens. Probably best to go PS5 + PC as usual.
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    MS delivered next gen. They hit 3.8ghz all cores all the time with no throttling or 3.6ghz with SMT on, massive fan that cools everything, should be relatively quiet with just one giant fan that can run at a lower RPM.

    We knew it was basically an underclocked 3700x but I didnt think they would hit that high of clockspeeds, I didnt think they could keep it cool enough in a console sized box. That is a $300 CPU today alone. a 1tb SSD goes for another $100.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Welllll I'm no tech nerd, but I'm gonna guess there's not gonna be TOOOO much of a difference between the specs. It'll probably be like the difference between the current PS4 pro and Xbox 1x (not so bad imo).... Xbox games will look better but not to the native eye unless you're nitpicking everything. Exclusive games between the both will definitely showcase the diffrerences between both consoles so your mileage may vary.

    Seems like this might be the best time to go multi-console again like the previous gens. Probably best to go PS5 + PC as usual.
    This is key here. I’ve watched videos comparing RDR2 on both consoles and you literally have to zoom in just to notice the difference. If you are busy playing the game, you will not notice.
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    If it is true, someone explain the difference between 10 vs 12 teraflops and why it even matters. X1X was more powerful than ps4 pro and everyone still chose PlayStation. Why would it be any different this time?
    yeah but that's because of the launch of the xbox1 leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

    20% more performance will matter for framerates, period.

    If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the Sony team oc'd their he hard to hit the 10tflops number. It will likely thermal throttle.
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    Disappointed Sony is having a lower storage volume than xbox from the looks of things.




    Can someone decipher this. Whats the deal with expansion storages?


    Microsoft has said they have proprietary expansion slots, which is ehh ...I hope Sony allows regular SSD's with that nvme feature.
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    Disappointed Sony is having a lower storage volume than xbox from the looks of things.




    Can someone decipher this. Whats the deal with expansion storages?


    Microsoft has said they have proprietary expansion slots, which is ehh ...I hope Sony allows regular SSD's with that nvme feature.

    44% more CU's for MS and its an apples to apples comparison with the same GPU tech, ouch.

    CPU difference is there, not a big deal assuming PS4 can hit 3.5ghz regularly. MS stated xbox can hit 3.8ghz steady with no throttling.


    Yes xbox has an internal nvme soldered on the motherboard and then a custom/proprietary expansion slot on the back for additional nvme upgrades, made by segate. Its covered in the video I posted above, they do a complete break down of the internal of the console. They must have know their chit was superior this gen to be that open with all their specs before Sony's big reveal.

    Hopefully Sony still allows any standard storage devices like they have in the past. That will atleast give them some pros. Looks like their nvme throughput speeds are faster but who cares, the tech demo from MS above shows their game loading and switching and its damn fast as it is.
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    MS delivered next gen. They hit 3.8ghz all cores all the time with no throttling or 3.6ghz with SMT on, massive fan that cools everything, should be relatively quiet with just one giant fan that can run at a lower RPM.

    We knew it was basically an underclocked 3700x but I didnt think they would hit that high of clockspeeds, I didnt think they could keep it cool enough in a console sized box. That is a $300 CPU today alone. a 1tb SSD goes for another $100.


    Seems like at this point we might see a 449 vs 500 usd price point for the ps5 vs xbox? or we looking at 399 vs 449?


    There's no way sony is pricing the ps5 at the same as the xbox sex is there?
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    10 terraflops vs 12





    Pack it up sony.


    Sell naughty gods, Studio Santa Goatnica and Goatsomniac to Xbox
    The One X had more teraflops than the PS4 Pro.

    PS5 is also potentially going to have far better load times.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Seems like at this point we might see a 449 vs 500 usd price point for the ps5 vs xbox? or we looking at 399 vs 449?


    There's no way sony is pricing the ps5 at the same as the xbox sex is there?

    nobody has given prices yet but I would hope sony comes in lower.

    hopefully they didnt over pay for that faster SSD drive because from what I seen in the video of them loading xbox x games it seems like the drive in the xbox is fast enough.

    Just heard some vlogger say the ps5 can use off the shelf nvme drives but that the current drives on the market are not fast enough. That makes sense because people using nvme drives in PCs for games dont really see a big improvement compared to sata ssd drives for game loading but the PS5 is loading games in like under 8 seconds.

    Not bad this console generation, they got a GPU that isnt even out yet for PC and SSD's that also arent out yet for PCs and a current gen $300 upper mid range CPU, (high end for gaming, anything else would just be more cores for video editing stuff).

    when ps4 came out the specs were poverty compared to current PCs.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Welllll I'm no tech nerd, but I'm gonna guess there's not gonna be TOOOO much of a difference between the specs. It'll probably be like the difference between the current PS4 pro and Xbox 1x (not so bad imo).... Xbox games will look better but not to the native eye unless you're nitpicking everything. Exclusive games between the both will definitely showcase the diffrerences between both consoles so your mileage may vary.

    Seems like this might be the best time to go multi-console again like the previous gens. Probably best to go PS5 + PC as usual.
    Without looking the 20% difference was about what the base PS4 and Xboners were and it made a huge difference on game performance.

    Just LoL@ Sony letting MS come back from the dead and be competition this gen. I mean I get making a budget console for the peasants out there, but at least offer a "Pro" alongside.
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    Originally Posted by elterrible987 View Post
    nobody has given prices yet but I would hope sony comes in lower.

    hopefully they didnt over pay for that faster SSD drive because from what I seen in the video of them loading xbox x games it seems like the drive in the xbox is fast enough.

    Just heard some vlogger say the ps5 can use off the shelf nvme drives but that the current drives on the market are not fast enough. That makes sense because people using nvme drives in PCs for games dont really see a big improvement compared to sata ssd drives for game loading but the PS5 is loading games in like under 8 seconds.

    Not bad this console generation, they got a GPU that isnt even out yet for PC and SSD's that also arent out yet for PCs and a current gen $300 upper mid range CPU, (high end for gaming, anything else would just be more cores for video editing stuff).

    when ps4 came out the specs were poverty compared to current PCs.
    From what I could tell they'll need to be nvme pcie 4.0 drives and those are available on the market.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    As anyone who uses PC, hardware this close in nature does not matter. All that matters is optimization of the software.
    not sure if serious. A 20% difference is multiple generations of performance difference for PC gpus silly pants. Sony is still the best hw console imo because of how they handle everything as a complete package, but they aimed to low and couldn't pull up far enough to compete in the end. That's one hell of an oc they go going on to pull their gpu out of the gutter.

    That console is already obsolete. It's not going to realistically pull 10tflops without PC style cooling.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    If it is true, someone explain the difference between 10 vs 12 teraflops and why it even matters. X1X was more powerful than ps4 pro and everyone still chose PlayStation. Why would it be any different this time?
    think more in line of original xbox one vs ps4. SLIGHT difference in performance and the xbox one had to have games run a lower resolution. For example the same game on ps4 running at 1080p 30fps was running at 900p on xbox to counter the FPS drops it would have at 1080p

    So if developers make games for the most powerful console, then scale down the other versions, the ps5 version could have lower resolution scaled back/fps drops on high intense scenes/graphic settings turned down. Thats where the future youtube comparison videos will come in handy
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    Originally Posted by rocketfish View Post
    think more in line of original xbox one vs ps4. SLIGHT difference in performance and the xbox one had to have games run a lower resolution. For example the same game on ps4 running at 1080p 30fps was running at 900p on xbox to counter the FPS drops it would have at 1080p

    So if developers make games for the most powerful console, then scale down the other versions, the ps5 version could have lower resolution scaled back slightly or graphic settings turned down. Thats where the future youtube comparison videos will come in handy
    Not really gonna have to worry about that with exclusives like the God of War and Spider-Man sequels.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Not really gonna have to worry about that with exclusives like the God of War and Spider-Man sequels.
    well yea, exclusives have no other versions and are made for the console itself only. however games from third party developers (multi-platform games) such as call of duty would likely run better on the new xbox especially if they start to scale things upward like MASSIVE online lobbies. Could be a difference between 60fps stable and the game running 40-50 fps in high intense battles. (not sure on fps numbers, both consoles claiming 4k 120fps, but i have my doubts)
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