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    Originally Posted by Smok3d View Post
    Extremely new at this but Started off with 1k and now at 3k playing the options game. I don’t know much but truly believe buying to hold right now isn’t the play if you’re just trying to make as much money as possible. I basically made all my money buying puts. Not too sure how sustainable that is but I feel like it’s better than buying and holding in this volatile market.
    Obviously there I'd more money to br made day trading. But how do you know what to buy and when to sell? What stocks? It's a gamble.
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    Originally Posted by guest89 View Post
    Obviously there I'd more money to br made day trading. But how do you know what to buy and when to sell? What stocks? It's a gamble.
    The key was to get in early January-February.

    Buying puts. Shorting everything. When volatility was low. Everyone would have sold you cheap puts for less than dollar. And laughed at you.

    Now premiums are out of control.

    Who ever got in 2-3 months ago probably retired 3-4 times over.


    That being said there is still bright side to this.

    If timing is correct we can all make shiitload when recovery begins buying stocks at discount when bottom is found.
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    On different tune my few oil calls are phucked Monday.


    OPEC Meeting Is Delayed as Saudi and Russian Tensions Flare


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/b...ussia-oil.html



    US and Canada are really now in bad spot here.

    Probably will start putting tariffs on Saudi/Russian oil.

    edit:

    there it is

    Trump threatens tariffs on oil imports to 'protect' U.S. energy workers

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN21M0V8
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    Originally Posted by Carbonfibre View Post
    On different tune my few oil calls are phucked Monday.


    OPEC Meeting Is Delayed as Saudi and Russian Tensions Flare


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/b...ussia-oil.html



    US and Canada are really now in bad spot here.

    Probably will start putting tariffs on Saudi/Russian oil.

    edit:

    there it is

    Trump threatens tariffs on oil imports to 'protect' U.S. energy workers

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN21M0V8
    USO gon b gucci. Honestly not sure why this took longer to happen.
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    EIDL (emergency disaster loans for businesses) and PPP (payroll loans) is a complete and total chit show currently with no money going out yet. $10k advance was supposed to go out within 3 days.

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    **** boys no joke more than half the people i know have been laid off... restaurants and bars going BANKRUPT already.

    everything is ****ed.
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    Originally Posted by Smok3d View Post
    Extremely new at this but Started off with 1k and now at 3k playing the options game. I don’t know much but truly believe buying to hold right now isn’t the play if you’re just trying to make as much money as possible. I basically made all my money buying puts. Not too sure how sustainable that is but I feel like it’s better than buying and holding in this volatile market.
    From what I understand, volatility can kill you when it comes to options. You can get fuked even if you're right about the general direction of the market. I've seen too many people online go up 10-50k and then end up deep in the red. Unless you really know what you're doing and it's money you don't mind losing, better to get out while you're ahead in my opinion.
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    Originally Posted by Smok3d View Post
    Extremely new at this but Started off with 1k and now at 3k playing the options game. I don’t know much but truly believe buying to hold right now isn’t the play if you’re just trying to make as much money as possible. I basically made all my money buying puts. Not too sure how sustainable that is but I feel like it’s better than buying and holding in this volatile market.
    Originally Posted by MediocreGains View Post
    From what I understand, volatility can kill you when it comes to options. You can get fuked even if you're right about the general direction of the market. I've seen too many people online go up 10-50k and then end up deep in the red. Unless you really know what you're doing and it's money you don't mind losing, better to get out while you're ahead in my opinion.
    He probably doesn't know about theta as well. Get out before you lose it all. First one is free. Or volume. Inb4 he bought "cheap" low volume strikes and can't close them.

    Feds are crushing volatility right now. Dropped TVIX when I noticed it. May pick some up again. Infinite QE...slow bleeding up-down days only to pretty much end up at the same price at open.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    USO gon b gucci. Honestly not sure why this took longer to happen.
    No it won't. This is a bandaid, USO is structurally unprofitable.


    Yes vix if finally going down which is a good thing if you're buying options since now the premiums won't be insane. For the last month or so I've been selling calls and put but now might be the time to start buying puts and calls again.
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    Originally Posted by BHall1991 View Post
    No it won't. This is a bandaid, USO is structurally unprofitable.


    Yes vix if finally going down which is a good thing if you're buying options since now the premiums won't be insane. For the last month or so I've been selling calls and put but now might be the time to start buying puts and calls again.
    Depends on how large the tariffs are. I meant more "dis gonna be good" than saying us oil gonna be fine, cuz most likely not you are right.
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    We won’t need to worry about intentional oil production cuts if this continues for much longer, production will be naturally throttled by companies cutting losses or just going insolvent.

    Even Alberta producers are cutting output and that’s a big deal considering the nature of the industry here. Suncor’s Fort Hills mine had a $17billion construction cost and they’ve shut down an entire train. Even SAGD facilities have started to shut down, and those are difficult to start up again after stopping the steam injection.
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    Originally Posted by Unstumpable View Post
    I've been interested in learning how to day trade as a side hobby for a few years. I've watched a lot of Ross Cameron "Warrior Trading" videos on youtube over the years, and the guy seems knowledgeable and like a nice guy. Does anyone in here have any experience with learning how to day trade, or have any thoughts on learning from this guy or just learning in general?

    Also see guys on youtube who claim to make a lot of money doing it like that Ricky Guitterez kid.

    Run as far away you can from youtube trading channels that claim to make money.


    Day trading in this volatility is like placing bet on roulette table x2.

    The odds are severely stacked against you.

    Nobody knows what is happening underneath feds are pumping money, stocks are moving +/- 20-30 percent up and down in one week.


    If you want to be smart.

    Wait a little bit see when recovery starts and buy stocks and than just hold.
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    Originally Posted by Carbonfibre View Post
    Run as far away you can from youtube trading channels that claim to make money.


    Day trading in this volatility is like placing bet on roulette table x2.

    The odds are severely stacked against you.

    Nobody knows what is happening underneath feds are pumping money, stocks are moving +/- 20-30 percent up and down in one week.


    If you want to be smart.

    Wait a little bit see when recovery starts and buy stocks and than just hold.
    Thanks. I deleted the post as I know most of the people in this thread don't seem to do that kind of trading. You're right if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
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    anyone else thinks this week is gonna be brutal af? hold me misc
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    anyone else thinks this week is gonna be brutal af? hold me misc
    Probably. Not a whole of news though, then again negative news normally pumps the market so wtf knows lol.

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    have already invested 1/5 of what i want to eventually invest... out of the 3 stocks i bought 2 are alreasy down another 10-15% lol should i sell a portion of it at a small loss in case in continues to drop so i can put in more when its cheaper?
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    have already invested 1/5 of what i want to eventually invest... out of the 3 stocks i bought 2 are alreasy down another 10-15% lol should i sell a portion of it at a small loss in case in continues to drop so i can put in more when its cheaper?
    This advice is for anyone contemplating such a move. First, calculate what your average price would be after taking a loss and then buying back in. If it makes more sense then DCA, then it’s up to you really. BUT this second part matters, research wash sale adjustments.
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    **** boys no joke more than half the people i know have been laid off... restaurants and bars going BANKRUPT already.

    everything is ****ed.
    This has been the dream of the socialists for decades. They failed with their man made global warming hoax, but now they've brought industry and capitalism to its knees. This is extremely dangerous. Businesses need to reopen en-masse and give a middle finger to anyone telling them to shut down again.
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    Cuomo just announced the first daily decline in the number of deaths.
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    This advice is for anyone contemplating such a move. First, calculate what your average price would be after taking a loss and then buying back in. If it makes more sense then DCA, then it’s up to you really. BUT this second part matters, research wash sale adjustments.
    thanks for the reply. i guess its hard to say because of course there is no way to know where it bottoms.
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    Cuomo just announced the first daily decline in the number of deaths.
    The virus is peaking tomorrow for the USA. It'll be on the decline starting April 6th.
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    Originally Posted by Venom08 View Post
    The virus is peaking tomorrow for the USA. It'll be on the decline starting April 6th.
    Yesterday was the most confirmed death in the US...got damn you are a phaggot..I'll come in to roast you and others on your two week lesson advice on stocks..lol...cool beans and others that invested on your truly autistic advice deserve to get bent over
    Position: SPY going to 220, SPXS to 21-23..same as before
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    Originally Posted by PowersKenny View Post
    Yesterday was the most confirmed death in the US...got damn you are a phaggot..I'll come in to roast you and others on your two week lesson advice on stocks..lol...cool beans and others that invested on your truly autistic advice deserve to get bent over
    Position: SPY going to 220, SPXS to 21-23..same as before
    i didnt invest on his advice lol

    the two i bought and went down already are STWD and USFD... average is STWD $10 and USFD $16... both are down already BUT I bought into both when they were already down 55-60% down from year highs
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    Originally Posted by cool-beans View Post
    have already invested 1/5 of what i want to eventually invest... out of the 3 stocks i bought 2 are alreasy down another 10-15% lol should i sell a portion of it at a small loss in case in continues to drop so i can put in more when its cheaper?
    Keep dollar cost averaging and putting in 1/5th at a time. Do it either biweekly or monthly unless you see something you really like.
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    Originally Posted by Venom08 View Post
    The virus is peaking tomorrow for the USA. It'll be on the decline starting April 6th.
    lol wut... there is still so much more potential for this to grow with people treating shelter in place like a joke, not also to mention we're likely to botch the second half of containment after the peak has occurred, leading to a second wave of infections.
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    Originally Posted by BulkingIsHard View Post
    lol wut... there is still so much more potential for this to grow with people treating shelter in place like a joke, not also to mention we're likely to botch the second half of containment after the peak has occurred, leading to a second wave of infections.
    Dunno where you live that the stay at home orders aren't being obeyed....? Literally everything is closed here, no concerts, no events, no school, no offices open, no rush hour traffic... And I'm in a state thats way down the list for total cases this far.
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    Originally Posted by BulkingIsHard View Post
    lol wut... there is still so much more potential for this to grow with people treating shelter in place like a joke, not also to mention we're likely to botch the second half of containment after the peak has occurred, leading to a second wave of infections.
    Not sure why anyone replies to his bs claims.

    334,000 cases in US and only 5 % are recovered.

    When it starts to flip like its doing in Italy, recovery is now at 25%. Than you have to factor what happens when Italy opens up in mid May will new cluster of cases happen.

    Also US testing is still half per 1 million compared to Italy/Germany.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Depends on how large the tariffs are. I meant more "dis gonna be good" than saying us oil gonna be fine, cuz most likely not you are right.
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    Originally Posted by HMFIC_BROWSIN View Post
    Dunno where you live that the stay at home orders aren't being obeyed....? Literally everything is closed here, no concerts, no events, no school, no offices open, no rush hour traffic... And I'm in a state thats way down the list for total cases this far.
    Obviously all nonessential businesses are closed, but people are still grocery shopping, going out to the parks, going for walks, etc.. Those using masks and gloves have an illusion of safety, as they touch their car handles, phones, groceries, etc., with gloves, then proceed later to use their hands when they arrive home. The cloth masks law is a joke too. Not only are they worse than surgical masks, the point of medical masks is to be disposable, so you prevent contamination with other objects or people, instead people are going to be reusing their cloth masks and failing to implement proper disinfection methods.
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    Originally Posted by cool-beans View Post
    i didnt invest on his advice lol

    the two i bought and went down already are STWD and USFD... average is STWD $10 and USFD $16... both are down already BUT I bought into both when they were already down 55-60% down from year highs
    Brohan you'll be fine long run..I don't mean to bash.mi just think idiots like venom are spouting chit they don't understand...d a if you want it's an ok strategy..I personally would wait for another 10% drop to 220...bc if you DCA you'll have to gain 11% back to break even
    ..get it? If you think it's going up..go for it
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