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    Be careful of SOY!

    So I went in for my annual physical yesterday. Doc sends me a message, all good except your estrogen is WAY too high.

    My estradiol was 65.1 range for men is 7.6-42. So 50% above the high range. I have been under drs care for hormones for years now and never had any estrogen issues.

    After thinking about it..... I had a lightbulb go off. For about the past 7-8 months, I have been on this kick of eating this Kashi cereal which is a peanutbutter crunch stuff. I eat if 5-6 days a week. I am a creature of habit and it is part of my dessert from my first meal of the day. Anyway....1st ingredient...."Soy flakes".

    I had always heard of soy estrogen connection, but part of me thought it might be overblown.

    Stopping cereal as of now and docs wants me on meds for short while to bring down and then retest.

    I dont feel any different. But just one of those things one never thinks off....
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    Just for perspective... how much do you eat a week, is this 5 or 6 portions? (using those little official portions)
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    Just for perspective... how much do you eat a week, is this 5 or 6 portions? (using those little official portions)
    No I eat approx 2 servings, so that is 8-10 per week. (Yes it is that good). I eat a really big lunch since I do IF. After I eat my main lunch, I then eat a chobani strawberry yogurt and mix in about a serving of this PB cereal with it. Then after i eat the yogurt / cereal mix, I pour in more cereal and add milk and polish that off

    That is my lunch 'dessert'
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    Yes, that is way high. But, could the cereal alone have made it go that high? Could there be any other factors?
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Yes, that is way high. But, could the cereal alone have made it go that high? Could there be any other factors?
    Dont know. One thing that might be skewing it, was I had to reschedule my appt, so I was in there the day after taking prescribed meds....whereas normally he tests me 4-5 days after.

    I wrote him a note to see if he wants me to come in later in the week and recheck again to see if it was artificially spiked or not. Either way.....you can bet you a$$ I skipped the granola with my lunch today!
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    Interesting to see some anecdotal data on this. My diet research lead me to read up on soy a few years back and basically came to the conclusion that it probably wasn't a great idea for men in any unfermented form. It might be ok for older women. The Ag feed research showing adverse impacts at high ratios was part of what convinced me. Still, the topic is confused and controversial enough I'm aware I'm operating more on opinion than completely solid evidence.
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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    So I went in for my annual physical yesterday. Doc sends me a message, all good except your estrogen is WAY too high.

    My estradiol was 65.1 range for men is 7.6-42. So 50% above the high range. I have been under drs care for hormones for years now and never had any estrogen issues.

    After thinking about it..... I had a lightbulb go off. For about the past 7-8 months, I have been on this kick of eating this Kashi cereal which is a peanutbutter crunch stuff. I eat if 5-6 days a week. I am a creature of habit and it is part of my dessert from my first meal of the day. Anyway....1st ingredient...."Soy flakes".

    I had always heard of soy estrogen connection, but part of me thought it might be overblown.

    Stopping cereal as of now and docs wants me on meds for short while to bring down and then retest.

    I dont feel any different. But just one of those things one never thinks off....
    Eat a lot more fiber. That will get rid of any excess estrogen.
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    My doc wants the number down. I have been on replacement therapy for a few years.

    Looooong story short. I am BACK with my original doc who I started replacement with. A year after I started, my insurance changed and I had to find a new primary care doc. My new doc except once, never tested my estrogen. I never had any issues so that was that.

    First of this year, my insurance changed again, and I was able to get back with my original doc who I had been with for years. He has said in his experience that most men need it regardless who are on replacement. He is my age and very health-oriented. I have always felt good about his advice.

    I am going to follow his advice which is to knock the estrogen down with anti-e med and retest in 8 weeks. He said once it is down, that to stay on a very low regimen. This falls in line with what I have read from some 'famous' docs who run big clinics.

    I am dropping the soy products also. In the end, I have to take my docs advice. Only negatives of the meds are some lipid issues they can cause, but my cholesterol is super low already. Usually in the 120 range.

    Guess I will never know if it was the soy alone since he wants me on anyway!
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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    So I went in for my annual physical yesterday. Doc sends me a message, all good except your estrogen is WAY too high.

    My estradiol was 65.1 range for men is 7.6-42. So 50% above the high range. I have been under drs care for hormones for years now and never had any estrogen issues.

    After thinking about it..... I had a lightbulb go off. For about the past 7-8 months, I have been on this kick of eating this Kashi cereal which is a peanutbutter crunch stuff. I eat if 5-6 days a week. I am a creature of habit and it is part of my dessert from my first meal of the day. Anyway....1st ingredient...."Soy flakes".

    I had always heard of soy estrogen connection, but part of me thought it might be overblown.

    Stopping cereal as of now and docs wants me on meds for short while to bring down and then retest.

    I dont feel any different. But just one of those things one never thinks off....
    Keep us posted! I eat a bowl of Kashi Go Lean every night before bed. 12 grams of protein, but even better is 13 grams of fiber, in every serving! By the way, what is the concern of high estrogen besides it's impact on weight lifting / bodybuilding? Are there increased health risks? Thanks!
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    Originally Posted by tkdnj View Post
    Keep us posted! I eat a bowl of Kashi Go Lean every night before bed. 12 grams of protein, but even better is 13 grams of fiber, in every serving! By the way, what is the concern of high estrogen besides it's impact on weight lifting / bodybuilding? Are there increased health risks? Thanks!
    Try the peanut butter crunch! OMG is it good! I mix it in strawberry yogurt too. I never realized the 1st ingredient is 'soy flakes'. When my estro came back so high 50% above top of scale, I started thinking what could be different.

    As for dangers, I don't know, besides gyno or mood issues. I am doing some more research but I put my faith in my Dr. He is really up on his 'wellness' aspect of treatment.

    I am cutting out all the Kashi now as much as I love it. I have to believe there is a connection. I read a story about a guy getting full blown gyno from drinking soy milk daily.

    I started meds yesterday and will get re-tested in 8 weeks. It is NOT good to have very low estrogen either. That can kill sex drive also. Bodybuilder who over-do the anti-e stuff, often run into problems. Somewhere around mid range is good.

    Will update when I get tested.
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