Finally got up the guts to cut my hair and it turned out well, helps that its easy since all I need is a #6 and go to town on it. Going to continue after Rona is decimated and will save $20 every 2 months.
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"You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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2 things:
#1 no heart condition, genetic defect in the mitral valve, all fixed and better than new.
#2 I don't buy into all the bull$hit being spewed around, far more people have recovered or ever had little to no symptoms vs those who have or will die. Your chances of dying from this are so small they aren't worth discussing. But by all means continue to be afraid and take marching orders from the so called "experts" who change their minds by the hr on what this is, how it's transmitted, etc.
I'm going to add a #3, the gotcha bit doesn't play well."You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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04-05-2020, 12:47 AM #344
You mean... Your chances of dying are very low.
But how about the elderly people in your neighborhood, a kid undergoing chemo, someone with severe asthma or COPD, an automimune condition, the list goes on... Their odds are quite different and I'm sure some people in your wider neighborhood will have conditions or advanced age even if you don't personally know them.
I agree the media absolutely delights in presenting the worst possible scenarios for everything and reporting only bad news (plus selective due to political agenda), but even when sensibly moderating the media BS and bias, it's still a bad situation.
Most of us feel a responsibility to the vulnerable members of the community even if we feel our personal odds for a non serious Covid outcome are favourable.
Antivaccine crowd --> Oh? I hear them all coughing, I thought they were just trying to politely catch our attention?
Edit: Just to mention I keep seeing appeals from charities whose fundraising has been impacted but operating costs and people's needs have gone up. Some charities are struggling. I'm not talking about saving rare animals in distant countries and such like (although some of those may be worthy) I'm talking about local things like children's hospices, veteran support, homeless shelters etc. If you're able to afford to donate, please consider making a few extra "random" donations to good causes that you don't normally support. Thank youLast edited by OldFartTom; 04-05-2020 at 02:10 AM.
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To be fair the response from part of our government was to down play this entire thing. Many just followed that lead and are now just catching up. My closest friend was like that too. Now hes on board and understands what "doubling rate" means and how dangerous this can be even for those whom you'd think should be OK, even if that means just being a carrier. But we still have a segment who would rather listen to a "cheerleader for America" than an actual Dr who served 6 administrations trying to discredit him. I'll listen to the doc.
If someone isn't taking it seriously or think it's no big deal feel free to catch the rona and report back after exposing it to their entire circle. My guess is they won't. Prove me wrong...☻/
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04-05-2020, 10:37 AM #347Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
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I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
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04-05-2020, 10:45 AM #348
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We are the elderly people in our neighborhood, my wife has asthma and neither of us is freaking out. I also had my spleen removed when I was 19 so have that going against me as far as fighting infections but I do get a flu shot every year as a precaution. Just use basic care and caution and everything will be fine plus as I have mentioned previously I am pretty damn certain I already had a milder case of Rona in January...not everyone gets the same symptoms.
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These are the sort of comments that come across as sensational. I can assure you there is no pleasant way to pass from acute respiratory failure, and dead is dead, whether it's the flu or covid.
There is no stopping individuals who are the most vulnerable from quarantining themselves. My going to work or a bar has nothing to do with high risk individuals following proper social distancing and proper usage of PPE when in high risk situations.
Believing there are better options than shutting down a nation isn't irresponsible. It's a worthy discussion.
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Medical experts are polarized on this, and constantly shifting the goal posts on this. You can listen to who ever you want, it doesn't mean the specific medical expert you're listening to is right. However, it's always helpful to look through the science and if you have any worthy studies, I'm always interested.
If someone isn't taking it seriously or think it's no big deal feel free to catch the rona and report back after exposing it to their entire circle. My guess is they won't. Prove me wrong...
I'm assuming you are not heartless and you do care about those people too. You're study of the evidence just lead you to believe something different. This is why I would rather discuss the numbers and studies instead of making highly polarizing, judgmental comments.Last edited by acrawlingchaos; 04-05-2020 at 12:57 PM.
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Fact.
I had to visit the urgent care 2 weeks ago because this damn diverticulitis flared up, they did a quick CT scan and confirmed it, got me some antibiotics and even a script for some pain meds and threw me out. They couldn't get rid of me fast enough whereas 2 months ago it was "stay a couple weeks, here's 10 days of IV antibiotics and no you can't have anything other than Tylenol for pain"."You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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Great. Show me where medical experts, without a political agenda (IE the Surgeon General),are polarized on this. I could use some good news and would love to read how wrong Dr. Fauci is. I would have the same access to the small amount of info you do so I usually trust people like Fauci who have decades of XP on this rather than those who go by "feelings". /shrug
The info changes daily as more data is collected. I haven't once seen any single medical expert who's not beholden to some agenda do anything but confirm this is bad and potentially could be worse. What I have seen is an administration lying about the severity and playing with peoples lives. That includes the mayor of NYC who in Feb encouraged NYers to live their normal lives and go to the movies.
For every 1% of unemployment the suicide rates increase by 1% and could cause an additional 20'000 - 40'000 deaths. Domestic abuse is estimated to have risen by 24%. Access to food security has been diminished for many of seniors and children across America. Hospitals have stopped many of their services and care in general have diminished. Supply chains have been broken and many plunged into poverty.
I don't know how to address suicide and domestic abuse issues. I really wish none of this was happening but are we going to play the game of trading lives? I wonder how many less people are dying from car accidents or industrial accidents as a result of shelter in place. 38K people died in 2019 in a car accident so I wonder how many lives have been saved.
I don't know your situation, but my woman and I are both still able to work and our lives haven't really been interrupted... but not everyone is that fortunate. The loss of life from a recession is very real.
I'm assuming you are not heartless and you do care about those people too. You're study of the evidence just lead you to believe something different. This is why I would rather discuss the numbers and studies instead of making highly polarizing, judgmental comments.
My opinion is based on what I see daily. The numbers are climbing fast, although thankfully for today were flat in NY. We can talk numbers and I would LOVE for this to go away but those who continue to downplay this aren't helping. That's my opinion anyway and understand if others don't see it that way. I can only do my part which is to shelter in place and ONLY go to the grocery store when necessary and stay away from others.
I'm fully aware I'm being overly cautious here. If I'm wrong I'd be thrilled but if I'm right it beats the alternative. YMMV.Last edited by Jtbny; 04-05-2020 at 03:40 PM.
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I've posted this study by Dr. Fauci now several times in this thread, from the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...what-does-mean
The info changes daily as more data is collected. I haven't once seen any single medical expert who's not beholden to some agenda do anything but confirm this is bad and potentially could be worse. What I have seen is an administration lying about the severity and playing with peoples lives. That includes the mayor of NYC who in Feb encouraged NYers to live their normal lives and go to the movies.
So whats the answer? Maybe if the majority would have/would take this more seriously we could speed this up and get back to life. That would be wonderful.
I don't know how to address suicide and domestic abuse issues. I really wish none of this was happening but are we going to play the game of trading lives? I wonder how many less people are dying from car accidents or industrial accidents as a result of shelter in place. 38K people died in 2019 in a car accident so I wonder how many lives have been saved.
The answer is, if you're worried, nothing is stopping you from social distancing and nothing is stopping you and your family from using proper PPE. Except that people were panicked into hoarding items they don't need so people that are actually vulnerable don't have access to PPE or healthcare.
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We obviously see this situation differently but I'll ask again; what is your solution if shelter in place is the wrong one? It's too late to just go back to normal but looking back what would you have done differently with the benefit of hindsight. Ill start...
I would have not acted like this was "just the flu" with "15 infected soon to be zero" and not said "this will be gone soon. Nothing to worry about". Instead, I would have avoided slamming my head in the sand because I was worried about reelection and the markets and would've crafted a cautious but realistic assessment, with the caveat that the information was incomplete and bound to change and inform the American people that preventive actions would be likely be necessary. I would have reassured the public that our best and brightest were on the case and that we as a country would be taking this seriously.
What we got instead was downplaying this as a Chinese bat nothing burger and THEN calling any coverage just another democratic hoax while things continued to escalate, getting much worse globally and at home, practically forcing the media to overact due to poor leadership and inconsistent messaging that aligned to the actual situation. The back peddling after more was coming out has just been the cherry on top.☻/
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04-06-2020, 03:08 AM #359Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
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I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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04-06-2020, 03:32 AM #360
South Korea was one of the few who got it right. They didn’t trust China from the moment the virus was reported. Started making test kits right then and mandating social distance right then. The winning factor= never trust China.
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