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    Originally Posted by MrCarrot View Post
    On a more important note, is anyone still ordering takeout? Someone in the misc commented that people ordering takeout are "brave", suggesting it's a bad idea. Personally I don't see how it can be any worse than having your groceries delivered (or going to collect them).

    I've been having takeout every weekend mainly due to boredom and because it's about the only thing to look forward to. I collect it myself, but I phone in advance so I only spend a few seconds in the shop, anti-bac my hands when I get back in the car, wash my hands when I get home, empty the food out on to plates and then wash my hands again.
    I’ve been doing delivery on food and groceries and leaving BIG tips to thank the shoppers and drivers. Given most containers are paper or cardboard, that limits transmission compared to hard surfaces. Most experts simply recommend handling the containers with gloves, and/or washing after touching them and plating food vs eating from their containers... and always washing hands/disinfecting prior to consumption.
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    Originally Posted by hardyboysare View Post

    I must admit I have been following WolfRose view and assumed I would be pulled over by the police as an non-essential travel. I personally haven't had a takeaway in 2 weeks since the lockdown due to the advice not to travel.

    I guess the interpretation of the law is down to the police. Even though you can collect according to the government, is going to collect a takeaway classed as 'essential'. I am not saying I am against anyway getting a takeaway as I damn would like to, but I can never find any assurance that I won't be fined for 'non-essential' travel by going to get one as the cops seem to be very keen in my area to pull people over (live near the seaside so no wonder).
    I've never really been one to play by the rules when they defy common sense. I mean, I'm not going to go and hang out down the local park for hours or take my kids to a play area when you're not supposed to. But I don't perceive going to collect takeaway as being any worse than going to collect groceries. In fact I get more twitchy going into the supermarket with 3 dozen other people than I do going into an empty takeaway for a few seconds. With that said, the only time you see police around here are when they are getting their dinner in McDonalds, and since McDonalds is now closed...

    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I’ve been doing delivery on food and groceries and leaving BIG tips to thank the shoppers and drivers. Given most containers are paper or cardboard, that limits transmission compared to hard surfaces. Most experts simply recommend handling the containers with gloves, and/or washing after touching them and plating food vs eating from their containers... and always washing hands/disinfecting prior to consumption.
    Unfortunately there are no delivery slots available for groceries around here. I don't particularly like spending half an hour in the store with 3 dozen other people, but I am trying to do it as little as possible now (ordinarily we would go to the store every other day for one thing or another). Also, I'm the only one in my family to go, and I'm also getting my parents shopping at the same time and dropping it off outside their door. I kind of feel sorry for the delivery drivers though, because it seems as though the risk is being passed on to them.
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    Originally Posted by MrCarrot View Post
    I've never really been one to play by the rules when they defy common sense.
    Amen. The fact that I can be fined $500 by my local police for driving through the countryside - never stopping or talking to ANYONE - while it's perfectly allowed to go to Walmart to purchase a magazine is beyond the realm of reason or logic.
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    Called my favourite Chinese tonight. CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I half expected it, but thought they might switch to delivery only.

    Fish and chip shop closed too. Had to resort to kebab shop, but who knows how much longer until they close?
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    Originally Posted by MrCarrot View Post
    Called my favourite Chinese tonight. CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I half expected it, but thought they might switch to delivery only.

    Fish and chip shop closed too. Had to resort to kebab shop, but who knows how much longer until they close?
    It's really sad how many small businesses are going to go under...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    It's really sad how many small businesses are going to go under...
    I'm just hoping they have savings, or get government assistance (or both), get a rent or mortgage holiday for a few months, then get back on their feet in 2-3 months. Assuming this is all under control by then, but who knows.
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    Originally Posted by hardyboysare View Post
    For example I could state that the deaths with the Human papillomavirus is nearly 500000 people in the UK yearly and has an infection rate of 90% in adults which would make scary headlines but once you understand its basically warts or even no symptoms its not scary at all seeing as nearly all sexually active individuals will have it.
    I completely understand the full point you are making and agree with the sentiment. Just an FYI though regarding HPV is that it is super common and does cause warts but it also causes cancer and the vaccine saves many thousands of lives every year. So for a lot of people it is much more than warts and is scary. Again, that doesn't take away from your point, just a bit of clinical education.


    I alluded to COVID-19 not presenting fully like ARDS above, for the chemists/pathologists/etc who want to read more here's an interesting theory: http://farid.jalali.one/covid19email...R8HPmsll7ceVbQ and here's one of the novel papers going around generating other theories of pathogenesis: https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-...Ey4wdJlMWmMt38

    Another finding of how COVID-19 enters cells, yielding potentially other treatment targets: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...5qG8n9LLASJvpc

    May seem ironic while healthcare workers are on the front lines but with so many elective things cancelled and people not wanting to go to the doctor a lot of medical practices are struggling and people are being furloughed or laid off. My job at this point in time seems stable. There are a lot of pros/cons of working for a large hospital system vs private practice; right now I am quite thankful I am in a large hospital system. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/u...IPEsb5YV3Pq54k

    Here is a link where all of the clinical trials related to COVID-19 are attempting to be compiled: https://www.transparimed.org/single-...kUsW6JWvv0kKyg
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    Originally Posted by Heisman2 View Post
    May seem ironic while healthcare workers are on the front lines but with so many elective things cancelled and people not wanting to go to the doctor a lot of medical practices are struggling and people are being furloughed or laid off. My job at this point in time seems stable. There are a lot of pros/cons of working for a large hospital system vs private practice; right now I am quite thankful I am in a large hospital system. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/u...IPEsb5YV3Pq54k
    It's true where I am. It may seem even more ironic, but the number of requests for COVID testing across my region has decreased dramatically. If I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's about 30-35% of what it was at its peak.
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    I am seeing more and more people congregating here in LA, relaxing the Social Distancing rule, with their silly homemade masks on than before the CDC recommended to do this.

    Based on what I am seeing, I think it was a very poor decision on the part of the CDC (yes I read all the studies) to do so being that Social Distancing is best way to go. I dont think they thought, however, this would lead to more congregating, but it has.

    But of course the best course would be just stay home.

    I for one am not wearing any mask unless its N95 but at this time HCWs need them way more than I do.
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    Originally Posted by boo99 View Post
    I am seeing more and more people congregating here in LA, relaxing the Social Distancing rule, with their silly homemade masks on than before the CDC recommended to do this.
    Communal social distancing. I'm seeing this as well.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Communal social distancing. I'm seeing this as well.

    Though the CDC kinda meant well, they were better to stick with their original advice, not to wear masks

    Just now at CVS I saw a pack of people talking very close to each other with their stupid looking masks on

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    For the NHS/UK people: icnarc.org - a report on critically ill patients can be found here for anyone curious

    Another link with some clinical protocols: https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/medica...-o#d.en.140202

    Easy to read article on the potential impact of COVID-19 on the nervous system: https://www.suzannegazdamd.com/scien...xv3UhVDlV8SZBg

    I'm told this was a good watch for people curious in more details on mechanical ventilation for COVID-19 (I have not watched this): https://esicm-tv.org/webinar1_live_2...M15qMXD9qanbf4

    Brief Q&A on ARDS (caution: he says that the ARDS here is typical ARDS but many physicians are saying they are seeing things that are definitely not typical of ARDS and rather similar to altitude sickness/microangiopathy): https://advances.massgeneral.org/res...5OKARsvwr0YlyM

    An article on why the death rate in Germany is so low (if you read it, please note how early they were ready for mass testing): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/w...ugO3d47u9o9zG4

    I can't recall if I posted this previously but there are seemingly weekly updates being done here that I'm told are very good (if they are weekly another one should be coming out soon). Of note I haven't watched this myself:

    Apparently skin manifestations can be seen as well: https://www.mdedge.com/internalmedic...hnjid_Zcqdfnmo

    This has now been updated for where we currently are in the US: https://covid19.healthdata.org/
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    Thought I would add this piece up for people looking to 'hear' the protein structure of COVID-19 actually sounds quite pleasant:-



    An explanation why it helps science, and I find it may help relax you during your homeworking:-

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...navirus-music#

    Also thanks Heisman for all the links really helpful reads getting through quite a few of them in my spare time.
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