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    I don't remember H1N1 having this kind of reaction when Obama was in office

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    H1N1 fatality rate: ~ 0.02%

    COVID-19 fatality rate: ~0.6-1%

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    H1N1 fatality rate: ~ 0.02%

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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    H1N1 fatality rate: ~ 0.02%

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    What? Most of the 41 US deaths were from a nursing home in WA.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    H1N1 fatality rate: ~ 0.02%

    COVID-19 fatality rate: ~0.6-1%

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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    H1N1 fatality rate: ~ 0.02%

    COVID-19 fatality rate: ~0.6-1%

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    Give me the mathematical proof that you’re using to derive your fatality rate.

    I would truly be interested in seeing the denominator that you’re using and the criteria that you’ve set for the number you choose to be the denominator.
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    Italy's COVID-19 death rate 6.7%

    How many of those that have died had any of the following:
    - 60+ years old
    - pre-existing health conditions
    - smokers
    - pre-diabetic
    - obese
    - lack of proper nutrition
    - poor hygiene

    Or are we just parroting numbers, and not using any critical analysis to see the why behind the numbers.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    How many of those that have died had any of the following:
    - 60+ years old
    - pre-existing health conditions
    - smokers
    - pre-diabetic
    - obese
    - lack of proper nutrition
    - poor hygiene

    Or are we just parroting numbers, and not using any critical analysis to see the why behind the numbers.
    youre leaving out a key determining factor in survival rates and that the ability to be seen by a doctor/hospital

    Italy is so overrun that they aren’t even admitting anyone over 65
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    Originally Posted by eod8989 View Post
    What? Most of the 41 US deaths were from a nursing home in WA.
    The US has not had many cases yet, but those figures are the best estimate for fatality rate we have so far. Much higher than H1N1, which was very very mild.

    But I'm sure, it's just a big global conspiracy to disparage daddy?

    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Give me the mathematical proof that you’re using to derive your fatality rate.

    I would truly be interested in seeing the denominator that you’re using and the criteria that you’ve set for the number you choose to be the denominator.
    Fatality rates in public health are not based on "mathematical proofs" whatever that is even supposed to mean here.

    You take the number of deaths, and divide it by your best possible estimate of the total number of cases. Same way that we do CFR for influenza, H1N1, and any other illness or disease.

    The country with by far the best data on COVID-19 is South Korea where they've done hundreds of thousands of tests. The numbers are in that range.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    youre leaving out a key determining factor in survival rates and that the ability to be seen by a doctor/hospital

    Italy is so overrun that they aren’t even admitting anyone over 65

    BS, a lot of people are asymptomatic, or have such mild symptoms that they don’t even bother going to the doctor. It’s people that have conditions that I listed above that are because THEY WERE ALREADY UNHEALTHY to begin with.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    How many of those that have died had any of the following:
    - 60+ years old
    - pre-existing health conditions
    - smokers
    - pre-diabetic
    - obese
    - lack of proper nutrition
    - poor hygiene

    Or are we just parroting numbers, and not using any critical analysis to see the why behind the numbers.
    Its all bullchit. Theyre liberals so theyre using this crisis to try and play it up to seem much worse than it actually is.

    Im fuking sick of liberals god damn, god forbid they put the politics aside for 1 fuking second and just help a situation and help their fellow countrymen.

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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    Italy's COVID-19 death rate 6.7%
    It's not 6.7, 6.7% only includes people admitted to hospitals. That # does't include people who died outside the hospitals undiagnosed or the numerous number of undiagnosed cases with less severe symptoms who think they just have a mild cold.
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    Imagine the outrage from the leftists if Trump had these numbers for this crisis. Obama averaged 2000 deaths a month during H1N1.

    CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States
    During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82.

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    Its all bullchit. Theyre liberals so theyre using this crisis to try and play it up to seem much worse than it actually is.

    Im fuking sick of liberals god damn, god forbid they put the politics aside for 1 fuking second and just help a situation and help their fellow countrymen.

    NOPE! Gotta exploit this chit show for maximum political points! Its the liberal way. Disgusting people srs
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    The US has not had many cases yet, but those figures are the best estimate for fatality rate we have so far. Much higher than H1N1, which was very very mild.

    But I'm sure, it's just a big global conspiracy to disparage daddy?



    Fatality rates in public health are not based on "mathematical proofs" whatever that is even supposed to mean here.

    You take the number of deaths, and divide it by your best possible estimate of the total number of cases. Same way that we do CFR for influenza, H1N1, and any other illness or disease.

    The country with by far the best data on COVID-19 is South Korea where they've done hundreds of thousands of tests. The numbers are in that range.

    Dip, Dodge, Duck on the question posed to you.

    You can’t prove your numbers, you don’t have ****. So tell me how you’re going to get an accurate denominator when you don’t have an accurate account of the total population that has/had the virus.

    You don’t know how many people have been/are asymptomatic. Nor do you know how many people who have/had the virus but have mild symptoms that they don’t even bother to go the doctor. Those people are EXCLUDED from your “best estimate”.

    So tell me how you can have an accurate denominator when you’re excluding people from being included.

    Get out of here with your “best estimate”.
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    Less than a month ago the media was running with sob stories of "Americans abandoned in China" trying to hit Trump for being heartless on leaving Americans in infested China.

    Their whole goal is to just hurt Trump. All this chit is manufactured to be out of proportion.
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    Its all bullchit. Theyre liberals so theyre using this crisis to try and play it up to seem much worse than it actually is.

    Im fuking sick of liberals god damn, god forbid they put the politics aside for 1 fuking second and just help a situation and help their fellow countrymen.

    NOPE! Gotta exploit this chit show for maximum political points! Its the liberal way. Disgusting people srs

    Yep, a lot of us independents see what the libs are doing. They love to float superficial talking points but can never back it up when challenged with a critical analysis.
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    Yep, a lot of us independents see what the libs are doing. They love to float superficial talking points but can never back it up when challenged with a critical analysis.
    Let me see your mathematical proof of this.
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    Dip, Dodge, Duck on the question posed to you.

    You can’t prove your numbers, you don’t have ****. So tell me how you’re going to get an accurate denominator when you don’t have an accurate account of the total population that has/had the virus.

    You don’t know how many people have been/are asymptomatic. Nor do you know how many people who have/had the virus but have mild symptoms that they don’t even bother to go the doctor. Those people are EXCLUDED from your “best estimate”.

    So tell me how you can have an accurate denominator when you’re excluding people from being included.

    Get out of here with your “best estimate”.
    That's true for literally any infectious disease, especially those that don't always need hospitalisation. It's the same methodology we use to estimate CFR for the seasonal flu, or H1N1, SARS/MERS or anything. How do we know exactly how many influenza cases there are a year? Where's the "mathematical proof?"

    When you compare two similar infectious diseases like this, CFR estimates are a valid way of determining which is more severe. Unless you are telling us that the whole concept of CFR is fake news or something.
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    Its all bullchit. Theyre liberals so theyre using this crisis to try and play it up to seem much worse than it actually is.

    Im fuking sick of liberals god damn, god forbid they put the politics aside for 1 fuking second and just help a situation and help their fellow countrymen.

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    Originally Posted by StoliFun View Post
    Let me see your mathematical proof of this.


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    Yep, a lot of us independents see what the libs are doing. They love to float superficial talking points but can never back it up when challenged with a critical analysis.
    By the way, it was Dr. Fauci, who is leading the current health response, who said it was around 10x as lethal as the common flu. Based on similar data to what I'm giving you.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    BS, a lot of people are asymptomatic, or have such mild symptoms that they don’t even bother going to the doctor. It’s people that have conditions that I listed above that are because THEY WERE ALREADY UNHEALTHY to begin with.
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    Even if you argue that the COVID-19 is more fatal than the others, it's still nowhere fatal enough to cause this much hysteria.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    That's true for literally any infectious disease, especially those that don't always need hospitalisation. It's the same methodology we use to estimate CFR for the seasonal flu, or H1N1, SARS/MERS or anything. How do we know exactly how many influenza cases there are a year? Where's the "mathematical proof?"

    When you compare two similar infectious diseases like this, CFR estimates are a valid way of determining which is more severe. Unless you are telling us that the whole concept of CFR is fake news or something.


    Yeah let’s see it. Every equation has a model or a proof. Let’s see it. You still haven’t posted one, because let’s be real, you have done no research on your own and instead just want to parrot numbers as a talking point. So let’s see your proof.

    Wait wait wait, are we really comparing similar infections? Swine flu is a type of FLU! Corona is a SARS variant, belonging to a type of cold virus classified as a Corona type! FLU is not the same as SARS. So tell me more about your apples to oranges comparison and “best estimates”.

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    Even if you argue that the COVID-19 is more fatal than the others, it's still nowhere fatal enough to cause this much hysteria.
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    Originally Posted by Jasonw1178 View Post
    Even if you argue that the COVID-19 is more fatal than the others, it's still nowhere fatal enough to cause this much hysteria.
    That's the whole point of the thread. The liberals are obviously pushing this hysteria lol. We aren't stupid and can just look at their apocalyptic posts. It's ridiculous.

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    Originally Posted by MuscleXtreme View Post
    Yeah let’s see it. Every equation has a model or a proof. Let’s see it. You still haven’t posted one, because let’s be real, you have done no a always is on your own and instead just want to parrot numbers as a talking point. So let’s see your proof.

    Wait wait wait, are we really comparing similar infections? Swine flu is a type of FLU! Corona is a SARS variant, belonging to a type of cold virus classified as a Corona type! FLU is not the same as SARS. So tell me more about your apples to oranges comparison and “best estimates”.

    Ffs lots of Stans on a subsection of a miscellaneous bodybuilding forum that run around parroting numbers but never take the time to think critically about what they’re parroting.

    Where is the "mathematical proof" of how many people catch the flu each year?
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