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    None. I can't even rep half that.
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    Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9 View Post
    22 is my personal best
    Right lol I just rocked 29
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    So, 10@7 with a clean pause.

    The bar started to slow so on 10th rep I stopped.. Given how my bench usually goes, I estimate I had 3 more in the tank. (I'm usually pretty Damn accurate) and zero need to go any closer to f.

    Doubt I'd get any more tng tho I never train it.
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    Originally Posted by charlievanriper View Post
    Right lol I just rocked 29
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    So, 10@7 with a clean pause.

    The bar started to slow so on 10th rep I stopped.. Given how my bench usually goes, I estimate I had 3 more in the tank. (I'm usually pretty Damn accurate) and zero need to go any closer to f.

    Doubt I'd get any more tng tho ������ I never train it.
    You went from 10 reps to 29 in hardly over a month?

    @Ego, why didn't you try to go to failure just to see?
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    Im at 105kg for 6 reps @8. With 225lbs Id say probably 8 reps, minimal arch medium grip width with a convincing pause 9 reps would be 50/50
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    You went from 10 reps to 29 in hardly over a month?

    @Ego, why didn't you try to go to failure just to see?
    Given the state of my shoulder joint* and that I'm on a roll right now, stringing together the longest consistent amount of injury free training time in years.

    Add how laser accurate my Rpe rating is It didn't seem either worth the risk or necessary.
    Especially as I have a peak and meet planned for Oct 18th and its not worth ****ing up my stellar programming with extra reps and fatigue that won't give me any appropriate stimulus.

    *unrepaired grade 2 ac seperation, unrepaired cc issue too. And if it goes I'm out for weeks in the very best case scenario, to months again.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Given the state of my shoulder joint* and that I'm on a roll right now, stringing together the longest consistent amount of injury free training time in years.

    Add how laser accurate my Rpe rating is It didn't seem either worth the risk or necessary.
    Especially as I have a peak and meet planned for Oct 18th and its not worth ****ing up my stellar programming with extra reps and fatigue that won't give me any appropriate stimulus.

    *unrepaired grade 2 ac seperation, unrepaired cc issue too. And if it goes I'm out for weeks in the very best case scenario, to months again.
    I guess you could say that generally RPE is correlated to max effort just like a certain percentage of your 1rm is termed in variable reps to a certain depth with a reliable formula.

    Kinda obvious I imagine, but I haven't really ever heard of an definitive connection between limited RPE and a guesstimated 1rm too much.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Given the state of my shoulder joint* and that I'm on a roll right now, stringing together the longest consistent amount of injury free training time in years.

    Add how laser accurate my Rpe rating is It didn't seem either worth the risk or necessary.
    Especially as I have a peak and meet planned for Oct 18th and its not worth ****ing up my stellar programming with extra reps and fatigue that won't give me any appropriate stimulus.

    *unrepaired grade 2 ac seperation, unrepaired cc issue too. And if it goes I'm out for weeks in the very best case scenario, to months again.
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    I guess you could say that generally RPE is correlated to max effort just like a certain percentage of your 1rm is termed in variable reps to a certain depth with a reliable formula.

    Kinda obvious I imagine, but I haven't really ever heard of an definitive connection between limited RPE and a guesstimated 1rm too much.
    I mean, it's a fair point and certainly nothing to shame someone for if they're injury prone and want to avoid taking that risk, but still I wouldn't claim anything until I've actually done it. For instance 225 for 12 is supposed to correlate to 315 for one, but I could consistently get the twelve for half a year before I got the 315 for one, after many failed attempts.

    I am having second thoughts about claiming the 315 right now, since I haven't been able to get it again during this cut I'm on, but I'm losing fat very successfully so there is certainly a deficit in place... not sure if it's generally fair to claim a PR as valid while you're cutting.
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    I guess you could say that generally RPE is correlated to max effort just like a certain percentage of your 1rm is termed in variable reps to a certain depth with a reliable formula.

    Kinda obvious I imagine, but I haven't really ever heard of an definitive connection between limited RPE and a guesstimated 1rm too much.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    I mean, it's a fair point and certainly nothing to shame someone for if they're injury prone and want to avoid taking that risk, but still I wouldn't claim anything until I've actually done it. For instance 225 for 12 is supposed to correlate to 315 for one, but I could consistently get the twelve for half a year before I got the 315 for one, after many failed attempts.

    I am having second thoughts about claiming the 315 right now, since I haven't been able to get it again during this cut I'm on, but I'm losing fat very successfully so there is certainly a deficit in place... not sure if it's generally fair to claim a PR as valid while you're cutting.
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    If you practice with rpe... You will see how easy and accurate it is to determine how many reps you had left. It's really not a new concept at all (studies show even novices can be accurate to 1rep at rpe 6)

    There is no shame in not being kinesthetically aware enough of your reps and bar speed to not get this or be able to do it. Or never actually practiced it, Its a developed skill.

    At very worst id have missed 1/2 way up on rep 12. At best, I'd have hit 14 for a real grinder.
    But Given the bar speed only dropped slightly from rep 1 to rep 10 after I blew a set of 130 up.

    And I wouldnt say Injury prone per say.. just that I have half the ligaments in my shoulder joint than I used to or that others do from a none lifting related incident years ago and see no point in a rep max to failure that will give me Litterally no more adaptive stimulus than what I did, Won't make my D, my wallet or my total bigger.

    Tldr.
    surely you all can tell if you have 2reps in the tank if your past novice? Or at least one?.... If not I have no idea what yall been upto
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    If you practice with rpe... You will see how easy and accurate it is to determine how many reps you had left. It's really not a new concept at all (studies show even novices can be accurate to 1rep at rpe 6)

    There is no shame in not being kinesthetically aware enough of your reps and bar speed to not get this or be able to do it. Or never actually practiced it, Its a developed skill.

    At very worst id have missed 1/2 way up on rep 12. At best, I'd have hit 14 for a real grinder.
    But Given the bar speed only dropped slightly from rep 1 to rep 10 after I blew a set of 130 up.

    And I wouldnt say Injury prone per say.. just that I have half the ligaments in my shoulder joint than I used to or that others do from a none lifting related incident years ago and see no point in a rep max to failure that will give me Litterally no more adaptive stimulus than what I did, Won't make my D, my wallet or my total bigger.

    Tldr.
    surely you all can tell if you have 2reps in the tank if your past novice? Or at least one?.... If not I have no idea what yall been upto
    Well, specificity is a thing, of course. You become neurologically more efficient at certain reps as you practice in that range. Doesn't mean you can hit everything else of analogous difficulty on paper without actually doing it. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by practicing with RPE, though.

    Also you very well might have had an accurate sense of two or three reps left and a very good reason for not attempting them, just saying I really don't think someone can claim that unless they actually did it. And if it was going to injure you, then could you really do it?
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    I mean, it's a fair point and certainly nothing to shame someone for if they're injury prone and want to avoid taking that risk, but still I wouldn't claim anything until I've actually done it. For instance 225 for 12 is supposed to correlate to 315 for one, but I could consistently get the twelve for half a year before I got the 315 for one, after many failed attempts.

    I am having second thoughts about claiming the 315 right now, since I haven't been able to get it again during this cut I'm on, but I'm losing fat very successfully so there is certainly a deficit in place... not sure if it's generally fair to claim a PR as valid while you're cutting.
    You're in a league of your own lol.

    Really I just ran an 8x8 standing OHP for strength for what feels like a number of months. By the time I got to the peak my weight on the first set alone seemed like a higher 1rm max than the entire volume at when I started. It's so hyperbolic though that there was no real way to tell where my 1rm was from there. I personally doubt my 1rm was really at where people were suggesting when I made a thread about it as it didn't take much more weight to get intimidating, but then again that might just have to do with higher intensity training adaptation too.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Well, specificity is a thing, of course. You become neurologically more efficient at certain reps as you practice in that range. Doesn't mean you can hit everything else of analogous difficulty on paper without actually doing it. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by practicing with RPE, though.

    Also you very well might have had an accurate sense of two or three reps left and a very good reason for not attempting them, just saying I really don't think someone can claim that unless they actually did it. And if it was going to injure you, then could you really do it?
    I get your point in terms of claim weight via Erm.

    But say I did 5 reps @8. I could have done 7, or it wasn't @8 and wouldn't be logged as such, I don't need to go to 7 to state that.
    So stating 5@8 is the same as stating 7@10.

    I hit 110 x 1@8 bench this week, unquestionably I could have hit 3 reps, it made zero sense to do training wise because to much fatigue for reward, but that doesn't turn my @8 single into an @10 because I called it early. And it doesn't make my max 110 (at that time) because it clearly isn't.

    I won't claim I've lifted 117 - 120, but I can freely claim a 110 3rm. At that time based in that day.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Well, specificity is a thing, of course. You become neurologically more efficient at certain reps as you practice in that range. Doesn't mean you can hit everything else of analogous difficulty on paper without actually doing it. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by practicing with RPE, though.

    Also you very well might have had an accurate sense of two or three reps left and a very good reason for not attempting them, just saying I really don't think someone can claim that unless they actually did it. And if it was going to injure you, then could you really do it?
    No doubt I could have done them. But i didn't actually claim to have done them. I only claimed the 10 I did before reracking.

    The pain never starts right away.. The next day tho.. I'd potentially not been able to reach my ass with my right hand lol without agony.

    By practice, I mean I rate Litterally rep of every set I do, that's not a warmup..
    I (when not prepping for a meet) do take sets to closer f and to failure for some stuff. I just don't fight reps anymore than I'm not sure I'll get on bench. Just rn I can't risk ****ing up.

    I know what a max feels like, I also know how my bar slows down approaching a max or miss.

    Mid set. Say an amrap to tech failure.
    Do a rep, I'll rate the rpe
    So another.. Rate it.
    ..
    ..
    Rep. Rate it @7/3rir
    ..

    Then I'll 'prove it' by taking the set close to f (technical failure) when I know the next won't go up and rating each rep. Vvveerrryy rarely will I be more than 0.5rpe out these days.
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