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    It's because no one ask this question anymore! I was benching 355 lbs for reps in my twenties, but after 32 years of training, I could care less what I bench now days.

    355 was my wall and I snapped my shoulder trying to go past it, and after a few more injuries I'm lucky to still be lifting.
    I'd be lying if I said I don't miss putting on 4 plates and having people stare in the gym, but my shoulders are bad enough without bench stress.

    What always fukked me was the retarded handoffs from randoms, or the terrible spots,not the actual benching itself. I switched to DBs partly because I was sick of random bros ruining my workout
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    I'd be lying if I said I don't miss putting on 4 plates and having people stare in the gym, but my shoulders are bad enough without bench stress.

    What always fukked me was the retarded handoffs from randoms, or the terrible spots,not the actual benching itself. I switched to DBs partly because I was sick of random bros ruining my workout
    Same here, I'm reduced to DBs & machines only today, and I don't recommend anyone do flat bench anymore. In my opinion, it is one of the worst exercises for your shoulders.
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    6 on my own, could probably squeeze out another 2 with a spot.
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    Originally Posted by Millz12323 View Post
    This is true... My rep max is unusually high in comparison to my 1rm... Largely a result of my programming for the last 12 months. It used to be quite the opposite before I got on 531. I haven't tested a heavy bench 1rm in a few months which I have planned for next week so hopefully will see that number go up.. If only slightly since I'm going to be testing a pause bench rather than a touch and go like I do in the 225x13 set.

    Going to be switching into some different programming to try and get my 1rms up after next week which I'm super excited for.

    Slightly beside the point, but can you seriously deadlift 430 for 12? That's incredible, especially if your weight is the same as what you put for your run!
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Slightly beside the point, but can you seriously deadlift 430 for 12? That's incredible, especially if your weight is the same as what you put for your run!
    Well... I have really long arms and Pretty strong hips, and these are sumo touch and go deadlifts which in my opinion are a lot easier to bang out higher reps than conventional Pulls... But the deadlifts are at 195 pounds bodyweight. Pretty fat and soft at this weight. I was probably 170 bw for the 3 mile run time.

    I have a somewhat weaker squat and bench compared to my Deadlift due to said long arms and just being built to Deadlift heavy vs squat heavy.

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    Originally Posted by Millz12323 View Post
    Well... I have really long arms and Pretty strong hips, and these are sumo touch and go deadlifts which in my opinion are a lot easier to bang out higher reps than conventional Pulls... But the deadlifts are at 195 pounds bodyweight. Pretty fat and soft at this weight. I was probably 170 bw for the 3 mile run time.

    I have a somewhat weaker squat and bench compared to my Deadlift due to said long arms and just being built to Deadlift heavy vs squat heavy.

    Very impressive though! I've heard good things about the sumo stance but have never tried it personally. Might be a good idea, as my posterior chain is much stronger than my quads and my sticking point in the lift tends to be extending the knees, not pulling with the back or getting it off the ground/gripping it.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Very impressive though! I've heard good things about the sumo stance but have never tried it personally. Might be a good idea, as my posterior chain is much stronger than my quads and my sticking point in the lift tends to be extending the knees, not pulling with the back or getting it off the ground/gripping it.
    Thanks!

    Sumo .... It takes quite a bit of getting used to. I nearly quit after 2.5 weeks of it because I was getting very bad hip pain every morning... But then the hip pain magically went away and I've been pulling mostly sumo for the last year and a bit. Give it a try one day and see how it feels. I immediately knew that it was easier than conventional after just 1-2 sessions

    I still occasionally throw 405 on the bar and pull conventional for a few reps just to make sure I can still do it.
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    225 x 8 is my PR. Though, I don't hit heavy BB bench very often. I prefer a variation with DB's and hammer strength machines.
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    Originally Posted by Millz12323 View Post
    Strengthlevel says you should be able to pull 600 given that set.
    I just did 425x6 last night and almost blacked out. Also I wouldn't call that touch and go, you are clearly putting all the weight on the floor between reps.

    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Very impressive though! I've heard good things about the sumo stance but have never tried it personally. Might be a good idea, as my posterior chain is much stronger than my quads and my sticking point in the lift tends to be extending the knees, not pulling with the back or getting it off the ground/gripping it.
    I pull sumo cuz it's easier on my lower back, feels a lot mroe natural, and I can pull more, and pulling more is why I do this!

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    Thanks!

    Sumo .... It takes quite a bit of getting used to. I nearly quit after 2.5 weeks of it because I was getting very bad hip pain every morning... But then the hip pain magically went away and I've been pulling mostly sumo for the last year and a bit. Give it a try one day and see how it feels. I immediately knew that it was easier than conventional after just 1-2 sessions

    I still occasionally throw 405 on the bar and pull conventional for a few reps just to make sure I can still do it.
    Didn't really take nearly as much getting used to as conventional for me. I think the first time I tried sumo it felt better than conventional and I pulled my conventional max the second time I pulled sumo. I did also get some hip pain, which got better after adding some hip abduction exercises.
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    Did 225 for 11, after doing 135 for 23. Out of boredom honestly.
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    Strengthlevel says you should be able to pull 600 given that set.
    I just did 425x6 last night and almost blacked out. Also I wouldn't call that touch and go, you are clearly putting all the weight on the floor between reps.


    I pull sumo cuz it's easier on my lower back, feels a lot mroe natural, and I can pull more, and pulling more is why I do this!


    Didn't really take nearly as much getting used to as conventional for me. I think the first time I tried sumo it felt better than conventional and I pulled my conventional max the second time I pulled sumo. I did also get some hip pain, which got better after adding some hip abduction exercises.
    Hopefully you do some ADDUCTION this exercises as well.

    Personal note: if you have your deadlift stats and you pull sumo, it would be nice to put sumo ahead of deadlift. It is infuriating seeing “600@181 deadlift!” on videos then see them do that exaggerated, dramatic choreographed move where they plant there first foot waaaaay out there and follow with their second foot...anyway at that point I already stopped watching.
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    225 for 4. Working out with a rotator cuff injury is super fun.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    Hopefully you do some ADDUCTION this exercises as well.

    Personal note: if you have your deadlift stats and you pull sumo, it would be nice to put sumo ahead of deadlift. It is infuriating seeing “600@181 deadlift!” on videos then see them do that exaggerated, dramatic choreographed move where they plant there first foot waaaaay out there and follow with their second foot...anyway at that point I already stopped watching.
    Sumo stance hits my adductors and I never had any issues so I don't see why I should do dedicated adduction.

    Idgaf if someone's feet are inside or outside their grip on deadlift. I don't demand someone warn me if their feet are inside their arms, so I don't see why you feel you should be warned if their feet are outside their arms lol. I don't expect people to list how many centimeters apart their hands are on a bench press either. Or how far up or down their back the bar is on a squat.
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    225 x 12 a few months ago. That was before messing up my shoulder and elbow in a stupid high speed run-in between my snow shovel and a seam in my driveway. Not sure what I could do now, I’ve been slowly working my way back up ever since due to the injury. I’m only pushing 170 for reps now and it still hurts if my form isn’t perfect.
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    Sumo stance hits my adductors and I never had any issues so I don't see why I should do dedicated adduction.

    Idgaf if someone's feet are inside or outside their grip on deadlift. I don't demand someone warn me if their feet are inside their arms, so I don't see why you feel you should be warned if their feet are outside their arms lol. I don't expect people to list how many centimeters apart their hands are on a bench press either. Or how far up or down their back the bar is on a squat.
    Man you took that rather personally didn’t you? I said it was a personal thing that I wish people would specify what kind of deadlift because if I see deadlift, I automatically assume deadlift, as in conventional deadlift that needs no modifier (a noun preceding a word). Literally wasn’t knocking on the stance itself, even though I don’t care for it. Personally it felt like I was cheating myself and I never really got into it.

    Please don’t get me started on super high bench arches, retarded wide grip benching, or any of that nonsense. I know it’s allowed in competition but in training I’m a huge proponent of full ROM. As far as low vs high bar squats go it is whatever feels the best, only one is hip dominant and the other is quad dominant. A squat is a squat and you should still have some kind of full ROM hinge in there, no, block/rack pulls are not full ROM either.

    As far as adductor strength goes, why not try a few body scissors to really gauge how strong they are?
    https://youtu.be/dkPCFM4jEJc
    If they feel tight when you squat, that is a side of weakness and you could be opening yourself up to a groin strain in the future, even with static strength exercises.

    Don’t assume the big compounds do it all, the adductors are responsible for well, adduction. As in the legs moving a TOWARDS the midline of the body. Not really much going on in a sumo deadlift, it may act as a stabilizer, but some direct work does not take long or require anything but your own body. Hope you got something out of this.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    Man you took that rather personally didn’t you? I said it was a personal thing that I wish people would specify what kind of deadlift because if I see deadlift, I automatically assume deadlift, as in conventional deadlift that needs no modifier (a noun preceding a word). Literally wasn’t knocking on the stance itself, even though I don’t care for it. Personally it felt like I was cheating myself and I never really got into it.

    Please don’t get me started on super high bench arches, retarded wide grip benching, or any of that nonsense. I know it’s allowed in competition but in training I’m a huge proponent of full ROM. As far as low vs high bar squats go it is whatever feels the best, only one is hip dominant and the other is quad dominant. A squat is a squat and you should still have some kind of full ROM hinge in there, no, block/rack pulls are not full ROM either.

    As far as adductor strength goes, why not try a few body scissors to really gauge how strong they are?
    https://youtu.be/dkPCFM4jEJc
    If they feel tight when you squat, that is a side of weakness and you could be opening yourself up to a groin strain in the future, even with static strength exercises.

    Don’t assume the big compounds do it all, the adductors are responsible for well, adduction. As in the legs moving a TOWARDS the midline of the body. Not really much going on in a sumo deadlift, it may act as a stabilizer, but some direct work does not take long or require anything but your own body. Hope you got something out of this.
    My point is it's still a deadlift whether the feet are wider or narrower, just like it's still a bench press with wide or narrow hands and it's still a squat with the bar high or low. None need any kind of modifier except when specifically talking about the differences. It's not like it's a different exercise. Just looked back at my videos and some say sumo and some just say deadlift. In my log I specify stance because it's useful for tracking purposes if I vary position. I wrote "low bar" in my log when I was switching to low bar so I'd know what I was doing. I still write "sumo" in my log because I still pull conventional sometimes. It would be silly to specify exact limb positioning every time you mention a lift to someone though, especially if you only do it one way.

    As for adductors I've never felt a weakness there and have not had any problems so unlikely to isolate them.
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    My point is it's still a deadlift whether the feet are wider or narrower, just like it's still a bench press with wide or narrow hands and it's still a squat with the bar high or low. None need any kind of modifier except when specifically talking about the differences. It's not like it's a different exercise. Just looked back at my videos and some say sumo and some just say deadlift. In my log I specify stance because it's useful for tracking purposes if I vary position. I wrote "low bar" in my log when I was switching to low bar so I'd know what I was doing. I still write "sumo" in my log because I still pull conventional sometimes. It would be silly to specify exact limb positioning every time you mention a lift to someone though, especially if you only do it one way.

    As for adductors I've never felt a weakness there and have not had any problems so unlikely to isolate them.
    You said it yourself “none need a modifier except when specifically talking about the differences”, which was literally my point. If someone says watch my (insert name of stance) pull, I don’t hate on the stance, but there are major differences between the 2 so it would be nice to have me NOT jump to conclusions. For example, a bro says watch my 5-plate pull and wants a form check, I assume he is gonna pull a regular, old fashioned deadlift, then does aforementioned dramatic sumo stance set up, then I lose interest because I’m not to keen on sumo form, having only ever done them to try. Why are you so offended by that?

    Also, have you attempted a side body scissor in the link or a lateral lunge? You may be weak there and not even know it, is rather someone find out BEFORE the strain a groin. It is not fun, believe me. Finally, did you know the adductors are the largest muscle group in your legs, not the quads as most think. You should probably prioritize them a little more.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    You said it yourself “none need a modifier except when specifically talking about the differences”, which was literally my point. If someone says watch my (insert name of stance) pull, I don’t hate on the stance, but there are major differences between the 2 so it would be nice to have me NOT jump to conclusions. For example, a bro says watch my 5-plate pull and wants a form check, I assume he is gonna pull a regular, old fashioned deadlift, then does aforementioned dramatic sumo stance set up, then I lose interest because I’m not to keen on sumo form, having only ever done them to try. Why are you so offended by that?

    Also, have you attempted a side body scissor in the link or a lateral lunge? You may be weak there and not even know it, is rather someone find out BEFORE the strain a groin. It is not fun, believe me. Finally, did you know the adductors are the largest muscle group in your legs, not the quads as most think. You should probably prioritize them a little more.
    I'm not offended by either foot position. You're the one getting butthurt when you see sumo.
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    I'm not offended by either foot position. You're the one getting butthurt when you see sumo.
    Check out my last deadlift PR:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
    In what way did I sound butthurt? Lmao
    The only thing here offended is you. I could be like most people who hate on sumo and call you a weak phaggot but I know better than that, all I said was I wish people would be specific about their PRs.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    In what way did I sound butthurt? Lmao
    The only thing here offended is you. I could be like most people who hate on sumo and call you a weak phaggot but I know better than that, all I said was I wish people would be specific about their PRs.
    And like I said, I'm specific in my log but there's no reason to specify every limb's exact position when posting online. Just say the name of the lift. Or specify exact position. Whatever floats your boat.
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    I'm not offended by either foot position. You're the one getting butthurt when you see sumo.
    Check out my last deadlift PR:
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    Check that link again, mate
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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    Check that link again, mate
    Shhh!
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    Hahaha, finally got negged by the sumo hater lol
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    Hahaha, finally got negged by the sumo hater lol
    You got negged because you lack common sense and reading comprehension. Not sure how you derived “sumo hater” out of that. BTW, that is coming from someone who religiously did sumo squats and REALLY wide toes out box squats.
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    Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR View Post
    Same here, I'm reduced to DBs & machines only today, and I don't recommend anyone do flat bench anymore. In my opinion, it is one of the worst exercises for your shoulders.

    That’s encouraging to hear. I’ve been doing dumbbells and machines for the last 6 months as barbell bench was causing shoulder pain every time. It was my favorite lift, but my goal is to get stronger and bigger for life which means being willing to alter or abandon certain lifts that could one day wreck my body.

    As a side note, sumo is allowed in powerlifting competitions, it isn’t cheating.
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