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    Originally Posted by superhuman67 View Post
    That means the L-Theanine in pre's doesn't effect you the same way it does for me where it mellows
    out the stimulant effects way too much where it almost feels like there NO stimulants in the pre and
    this for me happens when there's 150mg or more.
    1 scoop of scivation pre kicked in stronger, then 2 scoops lol. Had 100mg theanine per scoop.
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    Originally Posted by superhuman67 View Post
    That means the L-Theanine in pre's doesn't effect you the same way it does for me where it mellows
    out the stimulant effects way too much where it almost feels like there NO stimulants in the pre and
    this for me happens when there's 150mg or more.
    Nope, I've never had that kind of effect unless the theanine dose is higher than the dose of stimulants. For me, it adds focus while taming the stim effect without completely eradicating it.
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Nope, I've never had that kind of effect unless the theanine dose is higher than the dose of stimulants. For me, it adds focus while taming the stim effect without completely eradicating it.
    Nutrabio PRE has 300mg of L-Theanine so you barely feel the 350mg of caffeine and even the version that use
    to have Y in it you couldn't even tell it had Y. Aplha Lion use to have 300mg of L-Theanine in their SH pre
    but I noticed that their new version dropped it to 150mg cause I guess they saw some of the feedback where
    some said they didn't feel any energy though there were some who trained at night and loved the formula cause
    they could fall right to sleep after training at night after using SH..
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    Originally Posted by superhuman67 View Post
    Nutrabio PRE has 300mg of L-Theanine so you barely feel the 350mg of caffeine and even the version that use
    to have Y in it you couldn't even tell it had Y. Aplha Lion use to have 300mg of L-Theanine in their SH pre
    but I noticed that their new version dropped it to 150mg cause I guess they saw some of the feedback where
    some said they didn't feel any energy though there were some who trained at night and loved the formula cause
    they could fall right to sleep after training at night after using SH..
    Ya I've heard plenty of people complain about theanine in pres, I just don't get the same reaction. Guess it's just one of those ingredients people either take to or don't.
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Ya I've heard plenty of people complain about theanine in pres, I just don't get the same reaction. Guess it's just one of those ingredients people either take to or don't.
    It became label hype real fast. I found it to mellow out higher amounts of caffeine at 100 mg's
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    remember a long time ago when combining Y and tyrosine was a bad thing?
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    I'm happily surprised to see the forums still going strong after those ominous posts a few months back

    Having only tried C4 Ultimate On The Go and C4 Ultimate, I know very little about Pre Workouts. I liked them both a lot, but I feel like changing it up so I don't get used to the same formulas (I don't know if there is merit in this?) and to just broaden my horizons on what's available.

    I'm hoping for some recommendations on the good stuff: some combination of energy, focus, and pumps. My workouts are normally 1.5 to 2 hours of lifting followed by 45 to 60 minutes of low intensity steady state cardio.

    I think I'm looking for 3-5 g of Beta Alanine, 8 g of Citrulline Malate, and Caffeine. I'm already taking Creapure separately, but creatine in the PWO formula isn't a dealbreaker. Does that sound about right? Is there anything else I should look for? Is there anything I should be wary of?

    I'm taking a look at these ones:




    Any advice, cautions, or recommendations would be much appreciated, and thank you in advance!
    The first one has WAY too much L-Theanine the 2nd one is Dymatize's PW and it's pretty good on energy,pumps,
    but a bit weak on focus but it's a good option, the 3rd looks good but it's light on caffeine and it would be better
    if the L-Theanine was 100mg instead of the 200mg but the focus looks really good so I would opt for #2 or #3
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    Haven't tried the last one, but on paper it looks very good. What's that?
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    Originally Posted by blokpost View Post
    Haven't tried the last one, but on paper it looks very good. What's that?
    I believe it's Alphagen from Morphogen Nutrition.

    They have very strong formulas, private label only. $48 each, with some 10% coupons floating around, so they're definitely "premium."
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    Originally Posted by UncleWade View Post
    I believe it's Alphagen from Morphogen Nutrition.

    They have very strong formulas, private label only. $48 each, with some 10% coupons floating around, so they're definitely "premium."
    Pretty expensive for 20 servings though.
    As I remember you could find first two options for much cheaper.
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    Speaking of pre-workouts, I just cracked open another tub of ANS Ritual earlier this week after a long, long break. I guess it's been discontinued so I had to buy from fleaBay. Sigh.

    I've used more tubs of this than any other pre-wo. It's easily my all time #1.

    I dont know what makes it so damn good, but it just jives with me really well at 1 rounded scoop.

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    OP C4 ultimate is also great.
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    Amazon's pre workout works really well. Great focus/energy/pumps.
    Thanks for the recommendation. I needed to re up on a pre before getting off paternity leave. This is perfect
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    I loved this stuff. Somehow it improved my mood.
    Snow Cone flavoring makes everyone happier
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    Snow Cone flavoring makes everyone happier
    That snow cone flavoring is tits, no complaints.

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    Originally Posted by burntreality View Post
    Agreed
    C4U or nothing! Ive tried a ton of other pre's with little success. Im not saying that C4U is the best out there for everyone but for me right now....... it is.

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    For under $20 Vortex is unbeatable

    1 scoop: Super clean energy, great mental focus and good pump

    2 scoops: Extreme energy, great mental focus and great pump



    No Creatine, No Beta Alanine
    Never tried it. Is it new?

    I will say Ive lots of pres that have worked well with others but have done nothing for me.
    Some that work well for me
    C4U
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    Total War stacked with Big noise

    Those are constants in my stable as of right now.

    In other news.... it looks like that Remix brand has finally come out with its twinkie an cup cake protein blends..... anyone try them?

    Also I had mentioned BB.com PB cookie and chocolate pb proteins a while back.......

    PB cookie is pretty good

    Chocolate PB is WAY too sweet for me nor tastes like PB and hardly resembles chocolate too.....


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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    That snow cone flavoring is tits, no complaints.

    Just wish it didnt have yohimbe (or not so much).
    I could live without yohimbe in everything

    Originally Posted by Iluvmud View Post
    C4U or nothing! Ive tried a ton of other pre's with little success. Im not saying that C4U is the best out there for everyone but for me right now....... it is.



    Never tried it. Is it new?

    I will say Ive lots of pres that have worked well with others but have done nothing for me.
    Some that work well for me
    C4U
    OneMoreRep
    Total War stacked with Big noise

    Those are constants in my stable as of right now.

    In other news.... it looks like that Remix brand has finally come out with its twinkie an cup cake protein blends..... anyone try them?

    Also I had mentioned BB.com PB cookie and chocolate pb proteins a while back.......

    PB cookie is pretty good

    Chocolate PB is WAY too sweet for me nor tastes like PB and hardly resembles chocolate too.....


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    Originally Posted by Camarija View Post

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    MA Labs products don't accept credit cards, so that's probably not happening after all.
    What they only take crypto or something? Wtf company doesn’t take credit cards these days
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    Originally Posted by Camarija View Post
    I'm happily surprised to see the forums still going strong after those ominous posts a few months back

    Having only tried C4 Ultimate On The Go and C4 Ultimate, I know very little about Pre Workouts. I liked them both a lot, but I feel like changing it up so I don't get used to the same formulas (I don't know if there is merit in this?) and to just broaden my horizons on what's available.

    I'm hoping for some recommendations on the good stuff: some combination of energy, focus, and pumps. My workouts are normally 1.5 to 2 hours of lifting followed by 45 to 60 minutes of low intensity steady state cardio.

    I think I'm looking for 3-5 g of Beta Alanine, 8 g of Citrulline Malate, and Caffeine. I'm already taking Creapure separately, but creatine in the PWO formula isn't a dealbreaker. Does that sound about right? Is there anything else I should look for? Is there anything I should be wary of?

    I'm taking a look at these ones:




    Any advice, cautions, or recommendations would be much appreciated, and thank you in advance!
    the last one looks great. I'd personally add a caffeine tab, but I'm a stim head.

    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Speaking of pre-workouts, I just cracked open another tub of ANS Ritual earlier this week after a long, long break. I guess it's been discontinued so I had to buy from fleaBay. Sigh.

    I've used more tubs of this than any other pre-wo. It's easily my all time #1.

    I dont know what makes it so damn good, but it just jives with me really well at 1 rounded scoop.

    Maybe it's dat dere dendrobium extract. Heh.

    The best. Didn't know it was discontinued, but that explains why I haven't seen it recently. Now I'm sad.

    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    For under $20 Vortex is unbeatable

    1 scoop: Super clean energy, great mental focus and good pump

    2 scoops: Extreme energy, great mental focus and great pump



    No Creatine, No Beta Alanine
    Used a few tubs of Vortex back when it first dropped and i really liked it. Great flavoring system too.
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    Does anyone else have a problem with the C4 powder hardening/crystallizing?? I read its the Citrulline. Any info??
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    What?
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    any thoughts on Nitro Surge??
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    What?
    sorry. C4. it hardens up after like 15 days
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