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    Ya, the hay day of pwo's is long over.

    I've noticed protein prices have sky rocketed lately too. Thanks, Feds, for kicking the can down the road for ages now. Loving the inflation.
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    Yea I've switched to cheaper forms of protein (WPC-80) mainly due to cost. Isolates are great, but I'm not paying that price.


    Trying to stick to whole foods too, but even then it can be pricey
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    Most pre workouts suck.


    Anything decent is asinine expensive. I'm about to the point of just ordering questionable stimulants and using those with some carbs.
    That's why I pick up pre's on clearance and just add my own nootopics to boost focus or mood cause I'm
    NOT looking to pay $40 or more for some stimulants because they claim it's a limited edition Lol and it seems
    like that's the new thing companies are trying to get you to spend for overpriced supplements by doing fancy
    packaging and calling everything limited edition.
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    Or "limited batch"


    Brb, charging stupid prices cause you only wanna run a 1000 of them
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    Most pre workouts suck.


    Anything decent is asinine expensive. I'm about to the point of just ordering questionable stimulants and using those with some carbs.
    Pretty much I just go for high caffeine ones now, Insane Labz Psychotic Gold has been my go to for a bit; $30 when it goes on sale at Amazon, $40 normally. Pretty much just a caffeine with bomb with 325mg and not much else but it tastes ok, I think a lot of pre-workout is mental for me, I drink this only before workouts and it mentally puts me in the mood.
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    Mannnnnn i am def. not paying 30-40 bunchs for caff, some novel stims and pixie dust.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Pretty much I just go for high caffeine ones now, Insane Labz Psychotic Gold has been my go to for a bit; $30 when it goes on sale at Amazon, $40 normally. Pretty much just a caffeine with bomb with 325mg and not much else but it tastes ok, I think a lot of pre-workout is mental for me, I drink this only before workouts and it mentally puts me in the mood.
    I dont remember, have you tried Excelsior yet?
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    I dont remember, have you tried Excelsior yet?
    Nope, doesn't that have some questionable ingredients though? Need to avoid those due to work testing.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Nope, doesn't that have some questionable ingredients though? Need to avoid those due to work testing.


    From what I have been told my lab friends, pharmacists, etc.


    You ain't popping positive for these stimulants. If you pop positive, its because there was legit adderall or amphetamines in there.


    And lets be freaking real. Ain't no company doing that. The settlement if someone actually died or was injured would be astronomical.


    I've taken various stimulants (questionable and non-questionable) and have passed some serious drug tests. Not your run of the mill 5 panel. I mean a 10 panel serum test.


    In b4 people claim they failed cause of OTC products.

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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Nope, doesn't that have some questionable ingredients though? Need to avoid those due to work testing.
    Okay, yeah that's right you were the one with work testing.

    I have 1.5 tubs of Excelsior and only use it sparingly on weekends. It is, quite literally, out of this world. Miles ahead of Dark Energy which I also really like.

    There is nothing remotely close to Excelsior on the market that I'm aware of. I can do 1 scoop and go run 7 miles first thing in the morning, hit the gym for weights, come home and mow the grass and do yardwork and STILL feel like I could run another 7 miles. The energy is endless.

    But yes, I'm very certain there are special ingredients in there....
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Okay, yeah that's right you were the one with work testing.

    I have 1.5 tubs of Excelsior and only use it sparingly on weekends. It is, quite literally, out of this world. Miles ahead of Dark Energy which I also really like.

    There is nothing remotely close to Excelsior on the market that I'm aware of. I can do 1 scoop and go run 7 miles first thing in the morning, hit the gym for weights, come home and mow the grass and do yardwork and STILL feel like I could run another 7 miles. The energy is endless.

    But yes, I'm very certain there are special ingredients in there....

    You guys never tried some of the OG stuff from VPX that Octopamine in it?

    That stuff would have you going for HOURS without issues.
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    Trying to stick to whole foods too, but even then it can be pricey
    Im sitting on several jugs of protein and barely use them. Even getting back into the gym. Whole foods just keep me full longer.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Im sitting on several jugs of protein and barely use them. Even getting back into the gym. Whole foods just keep me full longer.


    I don't have much protein. I just buy a jug at a time. That way I don't burnt out.


    And it better taste amazing for a 5lber. Otherwise I'm getting a 2lber. Yes i buy it often, but I don't get burnt out.


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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    From what I have been told my lab friends, pharmacists, etc.


    You ain't popping positive for these stimulants. If you pop positive, its because there was legit adderall or amphetamines in there.


    And lets be freaking real. Ain't no company doing that. The settlement if someone actually died or was injured would be astronomical.


    I've taken various stimulants (questionable and non-questionable) and have passed some serious drug tests. Not your run of the mill 5 panel. I mean a 10 panel serum test.


    In b4 people claim they failed cause of OTC products.

    No you failed cause you used ****ing drugs.
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    *Except OG Craze

    I'm not getting into this.


    I passed a 10 panel hospital screen to work in a hospital pharmacy setting while I had Craze OG running through my veins (Literally worked out before the test)

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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    You guys never tried some of the OG stuff from VPX that Octopamine in it?

    That stuff would have you going for HOURS without issues.
    man I miss old school VPX. The VPX meltdown fatburner pills with like 6 different types of PEA

    VPX friction (I think that had that octomine)

    VPX protein was hnggg back in the day. the graham cracker flavors, hngg.

    I just went full potato thinking "What ever happened to VPX as a company? where are they now"

    And then thought, oh. BANG RTD's lol
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    I'm not getting into this.


    I passed a 10 panel hospital screen to work in a hospital pharmacy setting while I had Craze OG running through my veins (Literally worked out before the test)

    No issue.
    Perhaps it wasn't all of the batches.

    I wouldn't mind "getting into it", but I recall the forum clamping down and closing and deleting everything to try to sweep it under the rug until it was too big to ignore, but it's kind of dormant now, probably 'they' don't want it being blasted again and would just get us undue attention...factual as it may be
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    s.

    But yes, I'm very certain there are special ingredients in there....
    If OG craze had 150 mg of special blend, then thermal spark, excelsior have 200mg. I panicked and thought they were getting discontinued, bought the last 5 tubs from a different site, sweating to think its all gone for good. Now I see them back at all the other normal sites. Phew.

    I don't want to go back to BRCC and orange brainwash everyday, when I can be doing 1 thermal spark in the AM, and 1 heeping skuupa of Excelsior for the massa race day.
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    Originally Posted by sloop View Post
    Okay, yeah that's right you were the one with work testing.

    I have 1.5 tubs of Excelsior and only use it sparingly on weekends. It is, quite literally, out of this world. Miles ahead of Dark Energy which I also really like.

    There is nothing remotely close to Excelsior on the market that I'm aware of. I can do 1 scoop and go run 7 miles first thing in the morning, hit the gym for weights, come home and mow the grass and do yardwork and STILL feel like I could run another 7 miles. The energy is endless.

    But yes, I'm very certain there are special ingredients in there....
    Ya, Excelsior > Dark Energy. Have gone through tubs of each. At this point, I have some of the Excelsior companies pills on hand, and that's the only exotic stimulant I have in my stash. Think I've maybe used it twice in the last 6 months. Guaranteed there's something off label in the product, but straight up amphetamine or Adderall? No. Definitely not. Prob some basement concoction/bastardized offshoot of the same chemical family, but much less potent.
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    Perhaps it wasn't all of the batches.

    I wouldn't mind "getting into it", but I recall the forum clamping down and closing and deleting everything to try to sweep it under the rug until it was too big to ignore, but it's kind of dormant now, probably 'they' don't want it being blasted again and would just get us undue attention...factual as it may be
    Wat would Tyler42 say ?

    what would your copied and saved archives say?
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    I also remember all this "proof" was going to come to the "light" from Ron Kramer proving that DS did that was Craze.


    BB.com learned their lesson with Syntrax, they got sued when they were bashed consistently on this board. They still do threaten papers against some of those that post about them.

    So them "censoring" had nothing to do with "sweeping it under the rug" or some big ****ing Alex Jones ****. It was pure legal reasons.


    And I found it funny, the only "company" to find this "drug" were companies on Ron's ****ing payroll.
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    You mean the lab that failed my brother's employment drug screen for meth was on rons payroll? Wow didn't know that
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Ya, Excelsior > Dark Energy. Have gone through tubs of each. At this point, I have some of the Excelsior companies pills on hand, and that's the only exotic stimulant I have in my stash. Think I've maybe used it twice in the last 6 months. Guaranteed there's something off label in the product, but straight up amphetamine or Adderall? No. Definitely not. Prob some basement concoction/bastardized offshoot of the same chemical family, but much less potent.
    Yep I have 2 bottles of Thermal Spark, too. That stuff is bonkers, completely annihilates the appetite.
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    Originally Posted by Meatie View Post
    If OG craze had 150 mg of special blend, then thermal spark, excelsior have 200mg. I panicked and thought they were getting discontinued, bought the last 5 tubs from a different site, sweating to think its all gone for good. Now I see them back at all the other normal sites. Phew.

    I don't want to go back to BRCC and orange brainwash everyday, when I can be doing 1 thermal spark in the AM, and 1 heeping skuupa of Excelsior for the massa race day.
    Imagine a wide eyed newbie Sallie venturing into the supp misc in 2003.

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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Ya, Excelsior > Dark Energy. Have gone through tubs of each. At this point, I have some of the Excelsior companies pills on hand, and that's the only exotic stimulant I have in my stash. Think I've maybe used it twice in the last 6 months. Guaranteed there's something off label in the product, but straight up amphetamine or Adderall? No. Definitely not. Prob some basement concoction/bastardized offshoot of the same chemical family, but much less potent.
    if you can find dark energy anymore let me know..... heard their factory got raided and shut down.... might need to give this Excelsior stuff a try before it gets shuttered too
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    I make my own pre.

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    Originally Posted by SOH11 View Post
    I make my own pre.

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    One splash of mio flavoring
    typical preworkout of someone in law enforcement. where'd you get the list, from tim kennedy's sheepdawg newsletter, ya big FNH 509 head?
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    Originally Posted by Iluvmud View Post
    if you can find dark energy anymore let me know..... heard their factory got raided and shut down.... might need to give this Excelsior stuff a try before it gets shuttered too
    Sorry brother, the retailer I used doesn't seem to have any in stock anymore. They do have Excelsior though. I'll PM you the site.
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    Originally Posted by superhuman67 View Post
    That's why I pick up pre's on clearance and just add my own nootopics to boost focus or mood cause I'm
    NOT looking to pay $40 or more for some stimulants because they claim it's a limited edition Lol and it seems
    like that's the new thing companies are trying to get you to spend for overpriced supplements by doing fancy
    packaging and calling everything limited edition.
    LMAO, The only limited edition things I buy are vinyl and comic books. I refuse to buy anything "limited" that does not increase in value over time, especially that I will be ingesting.
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    Rob quit lifting probably 3yrs ago srs



    Been taking it slow getting back into lifting myself after the past 1.5yrs. Even lower weight, high reps makes me sore. I hav been stretching a lot more, longer and it has really helped. It’s great having a home gym for sure, best decision ever.

    Now I just need to get back in decent shape.
    The biggest thing I've learned over the years is to take a week or even a month off randomly. Most times your body needs that since most people in this sub lift like 5-6 days a week every week.

    I keep forgetting you can multi-quote a post...
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