2020 Part 6: preworkouts & forums

[aloosecannon]

What's the word on greens supplements these days?

BTW, I tried the search function, just for poops and grins knowing it would be bad and give me like 2006 threads...nope...literally "greens" searching the whole supp section returns 0 results

lol ok

Bonus points for pills/capsules!

If you want capsules, MST Mycogreens. Morphogen Nutrition Nutrigen is hard to beat if you are looking for a powder.

[eatyourspinach]

What's the word on greens supplements these days?

BTW, I tried the search function, just for poops and grins knowing it would be bad and give me like 2006 threads...nope...literally "greens" searching the whole supp section returns 0 results

lol ok

Bonus points for pills/capsules!

if you do a google search with your search term followed by site:forum.bodybuilding.com you'll actually get results from here but to answer your question Green Vibrance comes in caps but it's expensive

[Farley1324]

if you do a google search with your search term followed by site:forum.bodybuilding.com you'll actually get results from here but to answer your question Green Vibrance comes in caps but it's expensive

Yeah but the thing about search features built into the forum is you can narrow it down to a specific sub forum so easily plus do things like "titles only"...when it works. I don't want to figure out how to wade through people talking about reps as greens or any of that crap. If the forum worked I'd search the supplements sub section for "greens" in the title as a starting point. Googling the whole forum isn't really the same

[UncleWade]

Yeah but the thing about search features built into the forum is you can narrow it down to a specific sub forum so easily plus do things like "titles only"...when it works. I don't want to figure out how to wade through people talking about reps as greens or any of that crap. If the forum worked I'd search the supplements sub section for "greens" in the title as a starting point. Googling the whole forum isn't really the same

This has been extremely popular.

[sloop]

What's the word on greens supplements these days?

BTW, I tried the search function, just for poops and grins knowing it would be bad and give me like 2006 threads...nope...literally "greens" searching the whole supp section returns 0 results

lol ok

Bonus points for pills/capsules!

I dont know if it's the latest or greatest, but I picked up 2 tubs of SAN Green Supreme Fusion last week and my wife & I both really like it. Tastes pretty good, mixes good, and contains pre & probiotics.

It's a powder though.

[Anthony21]

Just ordered Dark Energy yesterday. I hope it delivers on the hype that I've been reading and hearing about.

[superhuman67]

Just ordered Dark Energy yesterday. I hope it delivers on the hype that I've been reading and hearing about.

I still haven't gotten into DE yet cause I'm still running through some of the other goodies that I had
in my stash that I finally cracked open but I'm always checking feedback on it so I know what to expect
when I do buy a tub and the lowest I've seen it is $36 so hopefully when I decide to grab it the price
might be lower.

[Anthony21]

I still haven't gotten into DE yet cause I'm still running through some of the other goodies that I had
in my stash that I finally cracked open but I'm always checking feedback on it so I know what to expect
when I do buy a tub and the lowest I've seen it is $36 so hopefully when I decide to grab it the price
might be lower.

I got it for that same price with free shipping as well. I’ll drop my thoughts on it once I get it. I plan to just start with half a scoop and go from there.

[sloop]

Just ordered Dark Energy yesterday. I hope it delivers on the hype that I've been reading and hearing about.

Aww yeah. Welcome to the party!

[Anthony21]

Aww yeah. Welcome to the party!

I'm looking forward to trying it out.

[daBones]

Meant to come back and say dark energy is the ****. Blast research taste like candy. Keeping it to 2-3x a week like you guys suggested.

[faipdeooiad]

There’s currently one place here selling excelsior and they want £72 ($98 USD) fir the privilege.

No thnx Jeffrey

[sloop]

Holy hell I just came across Herolean by Dark Labs.

As if the loaded DMAA & DMHA wont get you, 10mg of yohimbe-HCL and 3mg + alpha-yo to make sure you are fully dead.

[sloop]

I'm looking forward to trying it out.

So I've used both Dark Energy & Excelsior a handful of times each now and feel like I have a good grasp on what each offers and differs.

Every time on empty stomach, either first thing in the morning, or around 4:30pm roughly 5 hours after lunch. Typically 2-3 days between each product, certainly never back-to-back days.

Dark Energy: The first couple of times I would rate the overall experience a 10. Tons and tons of energy, tons of euphoria, everything in the world was just perfectly in tune, music in my headphones fully engulfed me, so happy and thankful to be alive and healthy with waves of good emotions and feelings. The subsequent times there was a noticeable, not significant, drop off in overall effect. I would rate those experiences a 9. Even at a 9, the workout experience is still far & away better than anything I've experienced since the Craze days so it's not like it went from great to terrible. Hours and hours of energy, lots of euphoria, lots of 'feel good' emotional feelings - just not as much as the first few times.

Excelsior: I've tried several different servings sizes based on all the youtube comments and online reviews. The first couple times were 1.5 scoops and I would rate those an 11/10. Easily. Un-fkn-believable experiences, lost track of all space and time and would have stayed in the gym for many hours if I didnt have obligations at home to get back for. Took me right back to 1999 and early 2000 raver years, felt like my soul was radiating. I would close my eyes and feel like I was teleported back to happier times, massive euphoria, the harder you pushed the weights the more euphoria it gave you back in return - INCREDIBLE. You could host a party and make a pitcher of this and everyone would have the time of their lives.

The following 2 or 3 times I've only taken 1 level scoop and although the effects were not as profound, they were still incredible. Just like with Dark Energy hours and hours of energy and euphoria, just not as strong as the first few times. (although smaller serving too) I have no idea how much caffeine is in Excelsior, so I have no idea what 1.5 scoops yields. Dark Energy @ 1.5 scoops is 600mg caffeine and I aint fooling with that. (+ all the other stims in it)

On days I've taken Excelsior in the morning I will still be feeling it 10-12 hours later. No joke. You'd better have sh!t to do that day because you will go nuts otherwise. My wife took 1/2 scoop and took down all the Christmas decorations by herself and said she wanted to run a marathon afterwards. Dark Energy is still noticeable 8-10 hours.

Neither of which offer a massive "pump" feeling, and both of them seem to take longer to kick in compared to other pre-workouts. Typically 40-60 minutes for optimal impact.

Terrible cotton mouth with both. Just awful.

Excelsior tastes like fruit punch flavored cough syrup, the orange flavor of Dark Energy is pretty dang good.

Gun to my head, if price were equal and I had to pick only 1, I would take Excelsior. But both are absolutely spectacular and I am happy with both. Dark Energy is cheaper and that may be a tipping point for some people.

Hope this helps.

[faipdeooiad]

So I've used both Dark Energy & Excelsior a handful of times each now and feel like I have a good grasp on what each offers and differs.

Every time on empty stomach, either first thing in the morning, or around 4:30pm roughly 5 hours after lunch. Typically 2-3 days between each product, certainly never back-to-back days.

Dark Energy: The first couple of times I would rate the overall experience a 10. Tons and tons of energy, tons of euphoria, everything in the world was just perfectly in tune, music in my headphones fully engulfed me, so happy and thankful to be alive and healthy with waves of good emotions and feelings. The subsequent times there was a noticeable, not significant, drop off in overall effect. I would rate those experiences a 9. Even at a 9, the workout experience is still far & away better than anything I've experienced since the Craze days so it's not like it went from great to terrible. Hours and hours of energy, lots of euphoria, lots of 'feel good' emotional feelings - just not as much as the first few times.

Excelsior: I've tried several different servings sizes based on all the youtube comments and online reviews. The first couple times were 1.5 scoops and I would rate those an 11/10. Easily. Un-fkn-believable experiences, lost track of all space and time and would have stayed in the gym for many hours if I didnt have obligations at home to get back for. Took me right back to 1999 and early 2000 raver years, felt like my soul was radiating. I would close my eyes and feel like I was teleported back to happier times, massive euphoria, the harder you pushed the weights the more euphoria it gave you back in return - INCREDIBLE. You could host a party and make a pitcher of this and everyone would have the time of their lives.

The following 2 or 3 times I've only taken 1 level scoop and although the effects were not as profound, they were still incredible. Just like with Dark Energy hours and hours of energy and euphoria, just not as strong as the first few times. (although smaller serving too) I have no idea how much caffeine is in Excelsior, so I have no idea what 1.5 scoops yields. Dark Energy @ 1.5 scoops is 600mg caffeine and I aint fooling with that. (+ all the other stims in it)

On days I've taken Excelsior in the morning I will still be feeling it 10-12 hours later. No joke. You'd better have sh!t to do that day because you will go nuts otherwise. My wife took 1/2 scoop and took down all the Christmas decorations by herself and said she wanted to run a marathon afterwards. Dark Energy is still noticeable 8-10 hours.

Neither of which offer a massive "pump" feeling, and both of them seem to take longer to kick in compared to other pre-workouts. Typically 40-60 minutes for optimal impact.

Terrible cotton mouth with both. Just awful.

Excelsior tastes like fruit punch flavored cough syrup, the orange flavor of Dark Energy is pretty dang good.

Gun to my head, if price were equal and I had to pick only 1, I would take Excelsior. But both are absolutely spectacular and I am happy with both. Dark Energy is cheaper and that may be a tipping point for some people.

Hope this helps.

Are you happy enough to say that both products contain only what’s on the label? Any suspicions of either containing off-label products? I’m not saying they do and have absolutely no evidence to say they do but 2 products coming along at virtually the same time and having such similar experiences is interesting.

[sloop]

Are you happy enough to say that both products contain only what’s on the label? Any suspicions of either containing off-label products? I’m not saying they do and have absolutely no evidence to say they do but 2 products coming along at virtually the same time and having such similar experiences is interesting.

I have no idea, and I have no proof to say definitively either way.

However, I am certainly no stranger to recreational pharmaceuticals and both of these give me very, very similar effects to things we did back in the day let's say. Along the lines of 2C-B but I dont know how it would be cost effective to throw this into a 30 serving tub at the current prices.

[Farley1324]

Are you happy enough to say that both products contain only what’s on the label? Any suspicions of either containing off-label products? I’m not saying they do and have absolutely no evidence to say they do but 2 products coming along at virtually the same time and having such similar experiences is interesting.

lol, dude, we all know there are illegal unlisted drugs in these things.

[sloop]

lol, dude, we all know there are illegal unlisted drugs in these things.

I am inclined to believe this, but I can't prove it aside from gut feelings.

The sad part is, these 2 have made other non-exotic favorites of mine seem so bland and uninspiring now. C4 Ultimate is still my favorite "regular" pre workout, but it really lacks the luster when used after these two. <sad horn>

[Anthony21]

So I've used both Dark Energy & Excelsior a handful of times each now and feel like I have a good grasp on what each offers and differs.

Every time on empty stomach, either first thing in the morning, or around 4:30pm roughly 5 hours after lunch. Typically 2-3 days between each product, certainly never back-to-back days.

Dark Energy: The first couple of times I would rate the overall experience a 10. Tons and tons of energy, tons of euphoria, everything in the world was just perfectly in tune, music in my headphones fully engulfed me, so happy and thankful to be alive and healthy with waves of good emotions and feelings. The subsequent times there was a noticeable, not significant, drop off in overall effect. I would rate those experiences a 9. Even at a 9, the workout experience is still far & away better than anything I've experienced since the Craze days so it's not like it went from great to terrible. Hours and hours of energy, lots of euphoria, lots of 'feel good' emotional feelings - just not as much as the first few times.

Excelsior: I've tried several different servings sizes based on all the youtube comments and online reviews. The first couple times were 1.5 scoops and I would rate those an 11/10. Easily. Un-fkn-believable experiences, lost track of all space and time and would have stayed in the gym for many hours if I didnt have obligations at home to get back for. Took me right back to 1999 and early 2000 raver years, felt like my soul was radiating. I would close my eyes and feel like I was teleported back to happier times, massive euphoria, the harder you pushed the weights the more euphoria it gave you back in return - INCREDIBLE. You could host a party and make a pitcher of this and everyone would have the time of their lives.

The following 2 or 3 times I've only taken 1 level scoop and although the effects were not as profound, they were still incredible. Just like with Dark Energy hours and hours of energy and euphoria, just not as strong as the first few times. (although smaller serving too) I have no idea how much caffeine is in Excelsior, so I have no idea what 1.5 scoops yields. Dark Energy @ 1.5 scoops is 600mg caffeine and I aint fooling with that. (+ all the other stims in it)

On days I've taken Excelsior in the morning I will still be feeling it 10-12 hours later. No joke. You'd better have sh!t to do that day because you will go nuts otherwise. My wife took 1/2 scoop and took down all the Christmas decorations by herself and said she wanted to run a marathon afterwards. Dark Energy is still noticeable 8-10 hours.

Neither of which offer a massive "pump" feeling, and both of them seem to take longer to kick in compared to other pre-workouts. Typically 40-60 minutes for optimal impact.

Terrible cotton mouth with both. Just awful.

Excelsior tastes like fruit punch flavored cough syrup, the orange flavor of Dark Energy is pretty dang good.

Gun to my head, if price were equal and I had to pick only 1, I would take Excelsior. But both are absolutely spectacular and I am happy with both. Dark Energy is cheaper and that may be a tipping point for some people.

Hope this helps.

Amazing breakdown man. I’m looking forward to experiencing those OG Craze days. A part of me feels bad for trying a product that potentially has unlisted and potentially illegal ingredients in it but the hype has hooked me lol.

I heard Excelsior changed their formula. Is that true?

[sloop]

I heard Excelsior changed their formula. Is that true?

I dont know buddy. I bought both of my tubs from the same store and they're the same batch code.

This guy doesn't seem to think there is any difference.

[Farley1324]

Amazing breakdown man. I’m looking forward to experiencing those OG Craze days. A part of me feels bad for trying a product that potentially has unlisted and potentially illegal ingredients in it but the hype has hooked me lol.

I heard Excelsior changed their formula. Is that true?

If you're so dead set on getting high with illegal drugs, there are much more simple methods than using the forum to determine which OTC supps contain illegals lol

[crpav]

Holy hell I just came across Herolean by Dark Labs.

As if the loaded DMAA & DMHA wont get you, 10mg of yohimbe-HCL and 3mg + alpha-yo to make sure you are fully dead.

Holy no thanks. I would for sure die. I seem to get a bit too wacked out and funny feeling with products like the origina Re1gn and before that good old Olympus Labs Bloodshr3d raw I think...which ever had the Y in it. Crazy feels and side effects I didn't like much. My left testicle would always tighten up for some reason. I read others have similar so wasn't very pleasant. Re1gh wasn't as bad and the first few uses were off the charts then the standard "I feel nothing" after that initial few first uses.

I got a tub of Dark Energy in the Research Gummy and the "non consumption" tests results came back. Wasn't sure if I could handle the amount of caffeine and other mix of goodies but it wasn't too much at 1 scoop. Great workout and no bad crash I recall or feelings of too much. Of course if I had a proper long break from stims and supplements I am sure it would be off the charts.

excelsior I don't think I will try after hearing less than desirable side effects and other not so good sounding things about it.

[sloop]

.... You could host a party and make a pitcher of this and everyone would have the time of their lives.

Note to self: do not invite Farley to said party.

[Farley1324]

Note to self: do not invite Farley to said party.

Or anybody else who may have to pass a drug test to remain employed.

You guys know where the road that using supplements, which are virtually guaranteed to contain illegal off label substances, leads

[Anthony21]

If you're so dead set on getting high with illegal drugs, there are much more simple methods than using the forum to determine which OTC supps contain illegals lol

Nah I'm not dead set on getting high with illegal drugs. I decided to try Dark Energy based on the reviews I've read. I also heard of Excelsior and that to me sounded like it definitely has some illegal sh!t in it so I didn't go with that pre.

[taydbear7]

Ghost energy drink is bomb!

[superhuman67]

There’s currently one place here selling excelsior and they want £72 ($98 USD) fir the privilege.

No thnx Jeffrey

With some of the PW goodies that you guy's across the Atlantic have that we don't such as
Alpha Neon Darkside, Martian Muscle Dr. Doom, Gorilla Alpha Yeti Juice, and Pro Form Nut BOOM
you don't need that Excelsior especially at that crazy $$$.

[aloosecannon]

Ghost energy drink is bomb!

Which flavor(s) did you try?

[Joe D]

Anyone use forksolin-95? Thinking about picking up a bottle.

[SOH11]

Which flavor(s) did you try?

I’m not too big on energy drinks, but the Warheads Watermelon is probably one of the best tasting energy drinks I’ve ever had