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    Originally Posted by Skinnyfloyd1 View Post
    I ask everyone I met if they know anyone with this virus or has died from it. And the answer is always no. Yes, its anecdote evidence; but if this was a worldwide pandemic, I should know at least a few people. This is easily one the greatest hoax played on mankind. Shut the world over a common cold. Insanity. Next worldwide virus is a martial law worldwide. How scary is that? Or forced vaccination. Which is even a scarier proposition.
    My cousin,34, is in ICU on a vent with covid-19. It's no hoax.
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    Originally Posted by PlanoLifter View Post
    My cousin,34, is in ICU on a vent with covid-19. It's no hoax.
    been on the vent for days now, any improvement ?

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    Originally Posted by A-GAME View Post
    What makes you say it's lack of testing?
    Well, I don't think it's controversial to say that the confirmed case count is short of the actual cases by at least a factor of 10. Anyone who thinks only 160k people in this country have gotten this is severly uninformed at this point. On the other hand, what this could be useful for is measuring the rate of growth, but that is dependent on the testing guidelines being consistent throughout the period. In other words, if you're testing standards only confirm 10% of the actual cases, but that 10% is consistent throughout the entire period you're looking at, then it will accurately measure the rate of growth. Around here, anyway (PA/NJ Philly area), the testing guidelines have been very consistent - only people who are either already hospitalized or who both have symptoms and are in an at-risk class (elderly, underlying conditions, or healthcare workers) are tested. That hasn't changed throughout all of March. That's only for this area, though. If that is true everywhere in the country, then the confirmed cases should fairly accurately track the national growth rate as well. I don't know if that is true in other areas of the country or not, though.

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    The analysis found that while the overall death rate for confirmed cases was 1.38%, the rate rose sharply with age – from 0.0016% in the under 10s, to 7.8% in 80s and over.

    The study showed only 0.04% of 10 to 19-year-olds required hospital care compared with more than 18% of those in their 80s and above.

    Dramatic rises were seen among middle-aged groups too, with 4% of people in their 40s needing hospital treatment and more than 8% of patients in their 50s.

    Our analysis very clearly shows that at aged 50 and over, hospitalisation is much more likely than in those under 50, and a greater proportion of cases are likely to be fatal.”

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    Originally Posted by janglingjack View Post
    The analysis found that while the overall death rate for confirmed cases was 1.38%, the rate rose sharply with age – from 0.0016% in the under 10s, to 7.8% in 80s and over.

    The study showed only 0.04% of 10 to 19-year-olds required hospital care compared with more than 18% of those in their 80s and above.

    Dramatic rises were seen among middle-aged groups too, with 4% of people in their 40s needing hospital treatment and more than 8% of patients in their 50s.

    Our analysis very clearly shows that at aged 50 and over, hospitalisation is much more likely than in those under 50, and a greater proportion of cases are likely to be fatal.”

    Just fukin lol

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rom-middle-age
    This is no surprise. Anytime I've ever been in an ER it is over 60% old people. Surprised that over 80 it's only 18% actually, I figured pretty much anyone over that age with a respiratory issue would require a hospital.

    Kind of scary to think of how many elderly may have already died in their homes due to this and nobody knows.

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    Originally Posted by PlanoLifter View Post
    My cousin,34, is in ICU on a vent with covid-19. It's no hoax.
    Fawk that's scary. Everyone I know who has tested positive has fought through it at home. Some have seemed pretty miserable but others fairly mild. Makes me also believe many with little to no systems get through it without even seeking testing.

    How is your bud's health before COVID-19? Fat guy? Smoker? It so shocking to me how wide the range of debilitation can be with this thing. Can't imagine being in a hospital here in NY right now, it's total madness, almost wonder if I rather crawl into the woods and die alone in peace like an animal.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    been on the vent for days now, any improvement ?

    He also in the Dallas area (I grew up in Plano)
    He's actually in the UK. I heard this morning that the medical team has been able to reduce the amount of ventilation required. So this seems positive.
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    Lord, some of this is paywalled but putting it here anyway because it's interesting stuff:

    DOJ/FBI investigation into legislators dumping their stocks based on secret intelligence briefings is underway: https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice...ng-11585586365

    NYU Langone refuses to create a committee to make impartial recommendations about ventilators, tells doctors to "think more critically", they're stuck making their own calls on who lives and who dies but management will stand behind them: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-lan...rs-11585618990

    Story about a rural county in Georgia getting rekked after someone went to a funeral and kicked off a cluster: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/u...y-georgia.html

    The night of [Andrew Jerome Mitchell's] funeral, a 67-year-old man who had come to Albany to attend was admitted to Phoebe Putney Memorial Hospital, complaining of shortness of breath, Mr. Steiner said.

    The man had chronic lung disease, and no history of travel that would suggest exposure to the coronavirus, and he was not put in isolation, Mr. Steiner said. Staff members figured that he had just run out of oxygen.

    The man spent the next week in the hospital, attended by at least 50 employees, then was transferred on March 7 back to the Atlanta area, where he was tested for the coronavirus. Not until March 10 did the Albany hospital learn he had tested positive, Mr. Steiner said. He died on March 12, the state’s first coronavirus death.

    By then, the infection was quietly spreading through town. Mr. Mitchell’s longtime companion, Ms. Murray, 75, found herself racked with chills and fever, Ms. Bell, her daughter, said. She was told she had a urinary tract infection and admitted to an ordinary ward, where she was visited by three of her sisters, Ms. Bell said. All three have since become sick with the coronavirus, she said. One of them has died.

    On March 10, word reached Albany that the Phoebe Putney patient had tested positive for the virus. A few days of relative quiet followed, and then, in the words of Mr. Fowler, the coroner, “it hit like a bomb.”

    The six-month stockpile of protective equipment that the hospital had prepared was gone, Mr. Steiner said, in seven days.

    “All the units were full, all of them, and there would be days when we would be intubating five people in a row, back to back, room after room after room,” he said. “It was one of the times in my career I truly felt overwhelmed.”

    The 14 medical intensive care unit beds were filled within two days of the first wave of coronavirus patients; they converted 12 cardiac I.C.U. beds, but those, too, were filled two days later; 12 beds in the surgical I.C.U. were filled three days after that, Mr. Steiner said.

    For a few days, the hospital was so short of staff members that employees who had tested positive but did not yet have symptoms were asked to work.

    Word went out “so quickly and so aggressively” that those who attended either of the funerals should get tested, Mr. Cohilas said. But not quickly enough to prevent an infected person from serving as a juror in a high-profile murder trial that ended on March 12. That set off a new set of infections in the sheriff’s office and the courthouse, he said.
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    Coronavirus death rate is lower than previously reported, study says, but it's still deadlier than seasonal flu

    0.66% of those infected with the virus will die

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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    Well, I don't think it's controversial to say that the confirmed case count is short of the actual cases by at least a factor of 10.
    this is controversial to say. generally this pathogen has been somewhat ergodic. you need to explain why south korean testing didn't track with this wild speculation.

    it could be 10 but its likely less, not likely more.
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    this is controversial to say. generally this pathogen has been somewhat ergodic. you need to explain why south korean testing didn't track with this wild speculation.

    it could be 10 but its likely less, not likely more.
    South Korea with their extensive testing is saying 20% of people don’t have symptoms. And they contact trace using phone location and CCTV surveillance, also have drive through testing for people even if they don’t show symptoms.

    I keep seeing 10x more getting thrown out there yet not any evidence indicating this.
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    Recent deaths in our country

    Patient 935, 79th fatality

    83-year old Filipino male from Parañaque City with no travel history
    Died on March 29 due to acute respiratory distress syndrome secondary to COVID-19 infection

    Patient 789, 80th fatality

    74-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with no travel history
    Died on March 20 due to community-acquired pneumonia, COVID-19

    Patient 1419, 81st fatality

    69-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with no travel and exposure history
    Died on March 30 due to septic shock secondary to community acquired pneumonia

    Patient 1032, 82nd fatality

    64-year-old Filipino female from Manila with no travel history
    Died on March 27 due to ARDS secondary to community acquired pneumonia high risk secondary to COVID-19

    Patient 2045, 83rd fatality

    60-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 26 due to ARDS secondary to pneumonia high risk

    Patient 1372, 84th fatality

    89-year-old Filipino male from Caloocan City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 28 due to fatal arrhythmia secondary to severe acidosis secondary to sepsis; ARDS secondary to COVID-19, shock secondary to bacteremia secondary to community acquired pneumonia high risk, acute kidney injury secondary to sepsis

    Patient 1508, 85th fatality

    72-year-old Filipino male from Rizal with unknown travel history
    Died on March 26 but was only confirmed positive for COVID-19 on March 27
    Died due to fatal arrhythmia, hyperkalemia, acute kidney injury, acute respiratory failure

    Patient 862, 86th fatality

    78-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 25 but was only confirmed positive for COVID-19 on March 26
    Died due to acute respiratory failure secondary to community-acquired pneumonia high risk

    Patient 1240, 87th fatality

    51-year-old Filipino male from San Juan City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 28 due to fatal arrhythmia probably secondary to myocarditis; septic shock secondary to COVID-19; refractory acute respiratory distress syndrome, pneumonia, acute kidney injury secondary to sepsis

    Patient 1680, 88th fatality

    51-year-old Filipino female from Rizal with unknown travel history
    Died on March 24 but was only confirmed positive on March 25
    Died due to ARDS secondary to pneumonia high risk, severe acute respiratory infection

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    The numbers aren't showing that it will become far deadlier than the flu. Don't look at the preliminary CFR when you compare it to the flu as it's a meaningless, fear-mongering metric.

    Take all the confirmed cases, multiply them by at least 5-10 and this thing becomes as dangerous (or harmless) as the flu.

    And that's not the subjective, uneducated opinion of a panty sniffer. That's the opinion of medical specialists (like Fauci himself) published in peer-reviewed scientific journals:

    That the number of infected is far higher is decent to assume. But that the number of deaths is higher is also something to assume. As many people will die before getting tested and thus won't end up in the stats. The numbers that we've gotten from China also seem to be doctored. What we see in Italy is a far better estimate. It's the weakest who get the brunt of the damage but ehm... America is filled with weak people. This virus eats fat boys for breakfast.

    It'll end up far worse than the flu, partly because it was underestimated. And I can't blame people for underestimating it, but the reaction after needs to be apt. You also can't afford to just go on and tell people to work whilst being sick, lacking healthcare and to condemn elder loved ones to basically die. Hospitals are completely flooded, that alone is an indication that the situation is absolutely critical. It would be stupid to ignore that. The economy will recover (we're heading to a bad place for a little while though), might even adapt before doing so but you can't just let people die.
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    Originally Posted by brahskimoseph View Post
    My country? I dont live in some chithole like the Philippines lol
    I don't like here either. lol

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    Originally Posted by MesoPeaks View Post
    Patient 935, 79th fatality

    83-year old Filipino male from Parañaque City with no travel history
    Died on March 29 due to acute respiratory distress syndrome secondary to COVID-19 infection

    Patient 789, 80th fatality

    74-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with no travel history
    Died on March 20 due to community-acquired pneumonia, COVID-19

    Patient 1419, 81st fatality

    69-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with no travel and exposure history
    Died on March 30 due to septic shock secondary to community acquired pneumonia

    Patient 1032, 82nd fatality

    64-year-old Filipino female from Manila with no travel history
    Died on March 27 due to ARDS secondary to community acquired pneumonia high risk secondary to COVID-19

    Patient 2045, 83rd fatality

    60-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 26 due to ARDS secondary to pneumonia high risk

    Patient 1372, 84th fatality

    89-year-old Filipino male from Caloocan City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 28 due to fatal arrhythmia secondary to severe acidosis secondary to sepsis; ARDS secondary to COVID-19, shock secondary to bacteremia secondary to community acquired pneumonia high risk, acute kidney injury secondary to sepsis

    Patient 1508, 85th fatality

    72-year-old Filipino male from Rizal with unknown travel history
    Died on March 26 but was only confirmed positive for COVID-19 on March 27
    Died due to fatal arrhythmia, hyperkalemia, acute kidney injury, acute respiratory failure

    Patient 862, 86th fatality

    78-year-old Filipino male from Quezon City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 25 but was only confirmed positive for COVID-19 on March 26
    Died due to acute respiratory failure secondary to community-acquired pneumonia high risk

    Patient 1240, 87th fatality

    51-year-old Filipino male from San Juan City with unknown travel history
    Died on March 28 due to fatal arrhythmia probably secondary to myocarditis; septic shock secondary to COVID-19; refractory acute respiratory distress syndrome, pneumonia, acute kidney injury secondary to sepsis

    Patient 1680, 88th fatality

    51-year-old Filipino female from Rizal with unknown travel history
    Died on March 24 but was only confirmed positive on March 25
    Died due to ARDS secondary to pneumonia high risk, severe acute respiratory infection



    These demographics are meaningless.

    Not sure where you got this OP, or if you collected this information...

    Whoever did it selected a small, SMALL number of people with similar demographics to try to make a point or something?

    What are you trying to say? Doesn’t matter. Whatever your point is, is completely negated by the fact this is not even close to representative sample.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    These demographics are meaningless.

    Not sure where you got this OP, or if you collected this information...

    Whoever did it selected a small, SMALL number of people with similar demographics to try to make a point or something?

    What are you trying to say? Doesn’t matter. Whatever your point is, is completely negated by the fact this is not even close to representative sample.
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    We don’t live in the Philippines, but okay.

    I still do t understand what your point is? Really just to sum up some recent deaths? Is my search for some deeper message unnecessary?
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    Originally Posted by PlanoLifter View Post
    My cousin,34, is in ICU on a vent with covid-19. It's no hoax.
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    been on the vent for days now, any improvement ?

    He also in the Dallas area (I grew up in Plano)
    I know Plano well. Sorry to hear this, man.
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    Originally Posted by Midgetkiller View Post
    That the number of infected is far higher is decent to assume. But that the number of deaths is higher is also something to assume. As many people will die before getting tested and thus won't end up in the stats. The numbers that we've gotten from China also seem to be doctored. What we see in Italy is a far better estimate. It's the weakest who get the brunt of the damage but ehm... America is filled with weak people. This virus eats fat boys for breakfast.

    It'll end up far worse than the flu, partly because it was underestimated. And I can't blame people for underestimating it, but the reaction after needs to be apt. You also can't afford to just go on and tell people to work whilst being sick, lacking healthcare and to condemn elder loved ones to basically die. Hospitals are completely flooded, that alone is an indication that the situation is absolutely critical. It would be stupid to ignore that. The economy will recover (we're heading to a bad place for a little while though), might even adapt before doing so but you can't just let people die.
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    Since our hospitals are "flooded"(you claim without citation), now what?

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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    We don’t live in the Philippines, but okay.

    I still do t understand what your point is? Really just to sum up some recent deaths? Is my search for some deeper message unnecessary?
    Just posting the news that they are mostly elderly people.

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    Poland just declared what is essentially martial law. Everyone has to maintain a 2-metre distance outside, even married couples. Even parks are now closed. And if you're under 18, you can't leave your home without an adult guardian.

    And we have 2000 confirmed and 32 "victims" (all of whom were old and diseased to begin with) in a country of almost 40 million. JFL

    Meanwhile in Tokyo (livecam):




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    Sweden is still going strong without a shutdown and I'm not even going to bother posting examples of "social distancing" efforts in India again.

    An appeal to reason: if this thing were as deadly and contagious as your governments and media are saying it is, then it would have pillaged and ravaged its way across the entire densely overpopulated, unhygienic Asian continent by now. And if not by now, then in a month or two. But that's not happening at all. And it will not happen.

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    Exclamation just gonna say it rn... if they try to push some mandatory vaccine for COVID-19....

    the gov’t can go fk itself.

    This coming from someone that has never taken the flu shot and also has never had the flu *knock on wood*

    But anyway.... that being said, I’ve heard multiple stories from people who never had the flu either and then got it for the first time after taking the flu shot

    I’m not one of these anti-vaccine people or some conspiracy theorist, but there’s gotta be something to that chit boyos

    How do u explain that? I don’t know that I believe it’s just coincidence

    Honestly think I’d rather just take my chances
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    any vaccine will be rushed to market for this, its safety will be reduced and risk increased, all for nothing because even with rushing it to market, most people will have already had the virus by the time it is ready, so getting the vaccine offers no upside yet increases risks

    You should be very leery of taking the vaccine.

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    Originally Posted by XPmpnII View Post
    the gov’t can go fk itself.

    This coming from someone that has never taken the flu shot and also has never had the flu *knock on wood*

    But anyway.... that being said, I’ve heard multiple stories from people who never had the flu either and then got it for the first time after taking the flu shot

    I’m not one of these anti-vaccine people or some conspiracy theorist, but there’s gotta be something to that chit boyos

    How do u explain that? I don’t know that I believe it’s just coincidence

    Honestly think I’d rather just take my chances

    Yes you are. Your lack of an understanding of vaccines and basic biology causes you to be afraid, it's called ignorance.

    You've had vaccines all of your life and it's why you even survived to adulthood.

    Not getting a free flu vaccine every year is why so many people suffer serious complications from it, many die.
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