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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-care-in-study
    http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.c...795de1c77c.pdf

    Another small group study in China found that hydroxychloroquine had similar results to treatment without hydroxychloroquine. The group is statistically small but obviously raises questions about it being hyped as a 100% cure rate miracle drug.

    People shouldn't hang excessive hopes on this, but it should be studied. It may well be the case that it only works in patients with limited circumstances, or that the effect is not nearly as large as some represent. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
    All the candidates for COVID treatments currently being tested seem to not be very effective in severe cases. From Avigan to remdesivir to Hydroxychloroquine, they all have the ability to shorten hospital stay and viral shedding duration, but doesn’t improve outcome in those that are critical. Hopefully some more info come out soon with remdesivir and Hydroxychloroquine, Avigan already has a study on 70-80 critical cases and didn’t show any improvement compared to control.

    Good and bad. Good bc all three can help with allowing more hospital capacity. Bad bc the 1-4% that die... so far nothing is decreasing that stat.
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    Originally Posted by TrinnieBuu View Post
    All the candidates for COVID treatments currently being tested seem to not be very effective in severe cases. From Avigan to remdesivir to Hydroxychloroquine, they all have the ability to shorten hospital stay and viral shedding duration, but doesn’t improve outcome in those that are critical. Hopefully some more info come out soon with remdesivir and Hydroxychloroquine, Avigan already has a study on 70-80 critical cases and didn’t show any improvement compared to control.

    Good and bad. Good bc all three can help with allowing more hospital capacity. Bad bc the 1-4% that die... so far nothing is decreasing that stat.
    But were these in combination with Azithromycin? The combo seems to be the effective strategy, by themselves have shown little.
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    Originally Posted by TrinnieBuu View Post
    All the candidates for COVID treatments currently being tested seem to not be very effective in severe cases. From Avigan to remdesivir to Hydroxychloroquine, they all have the ability to shorten hospital stay and viral shedding duration, but doesn’t improve outcome in those that are critical. Hopefully some more info come out soon with remdesivir and Hydroxychloroquine, Avigan already has a study on 70-80 critical cases and didn’t show any improvement compared to control.

    Good and bad. Good bc all three can help with allowing more hospital capacity. Bad bc the 1-4% that die... so far nothing is decreasing that stat.
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    Originally Posted by TXBuddy View Post
    But were these in combination with Azithromycin? The combo seems to be the effective strategy, by themselves have shown little.
    I don’t think Avigan was in combination with azithromycin. Can’t find the actual study anywhere but it was referenced in a few articles all citing the same numbers. 240 patients given Avigan reduced the median duration of illness to 4 days vs 11 days. Lung improvement on day 4 was 91% vs 62% of controls. But Japanese study on 70-80 patients showed no improvement in severe cases.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/ja...inical-trials/

    The French study for Hydroxychloroquine was in combination with Zpak and shortened the duration to 6 days. But I don’t like that study because they claimed 100% cure rate when 3 patients had to stop the treatment because they became critical and 1 even ended up dying. Hopefully someone with more academic honesty start a bigger study mirroring the study that’s going on right now for remdesivir. Gilead’s study is attempting to enroll 1000 subjects, 600 with moderate illness and 400 severe, to see if their drug would shorten the hospital stays and reduce fatality in severe cases.
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    The key with these drug combos is to give them before they are serious
    They inhibit the environment which a virus needs to grow in

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    The key with these drug combos is to give them before they are serious
    They inhibit the environment which a virus needs to grow in

    Don’t try to fight them once they have already grown an empire, start it when there’s just a few
    You can't say that publicly, though, until there is mass production capabilities across the country because if there is a scarcity of it, people will horde it with their lives. There is already no Zinc available in any CVS in a 20 mile radius to me.
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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    You can't say that publicly, though, until there is mass production capabilities across the country because if there is a scarcity of it, people will horde it with their lives. There is already no Zinc available in any CVS in a 20 mile radius to me.
    yeah, it’s all speculation on my part too, but it makes sense



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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    The key with these drug combos is to give them before they are serious
    They inhibit the environment which a virus needs to grow in

    Don’t try to fight them once they have already grown an empire, start it when there’s just a few
    In an ideal world that would be best practice. But we live in one that won’t give you a test unless your symptoms become moderate. If you can’t even get tested... it’s not possible to start getting treatment in a “timely manner”.

    Actually pisses me off to see doctors not getting access to tests when they show symptoms yet we have D list celebrities in California getting tested before symptoms start.
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    Originally Posted by TrinnieBuu View Post
    All the candidates for COVID treatments currently being tested seem to not be very effective in severe cases. From Avigan to remdesivir to Hydroxychloroquine, they all have the ability to shorten hospital stay and viral shedding duration, but doesn’t improve outcome in those that are critical. Hopefully some more info come out soon with remdesivir and Hydroxychloroquine, Avigan already has a study on 70-80 critical cases and didn’t show any improvement compared to control.

    Good and bad. Good bc all three can help with allowing more hospital capacity. Bad bc the 1-4% that die... so far nothing is decreasing that stat.
    Nothing will decrease the stats of the 70+ year olds with copd that die... Who generally are the ones that become critical.
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    Originally Posted by TrinnieBuu View Post
    In an ideal world that would be best practice. But we live in one that won’t give you a test unless your symptoms become moderate. If you can’t even get tested... it’s not possible to start getting treatment in a “timely manner”.

    Actually pisses me off to see doctors not getting access to tests when they show symptoms yet we have D list celebrities in California getting tested before symptoms start.
    yeah, it’s bs

    Best bet now is to avoid people, delay getting it, and hope this stuff is more available later
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    Very interesting theory OP. Any chance of translating your link?


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    The United States give out antibiotics like candy.

    Nearly 3 million infections and 35,000 deaths annually according to the CDC.

    https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/biggest-threats.html
    United States got 5.4 as many people as Italy, so they don't have as many deaths related to multi resistant bacterias as Italy, but they are not that far behind.
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    In New York:

    37,258 have tested positive.

    Of those:

    5,327 are in the hospital (14.3%)

    1,290 in ICU (3.5%)

    1,517 have been discharged after being hospitalized (4.1%)

    *** Cuoma also stated that the testing does not indicate the number of people with the virus in NY nor does it indicate if the number of infected people is rising or falling. All the tests indicate is the number of people they have tested who are positive.***
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    "Recovered" men tested had half the normal levels of testosterone
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    First "recovered" in Spain hospital died 36 hours later
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    Heart attack main cause of death, not respiratory issues
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    "Theoretically possible" to get virus from mosquitoes
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    "Recovered" men tested had half the normal levels of testosterone
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    First "recovered" in Spain hospital died 36 hours later
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    Heart attack main cause of death, not respiratory issues
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    "Theoretically possible" to get virus from mosquitoes
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    for speculating in the speculation thread?
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    According to the BBC the US now has more cases than any other country in the world, including China.
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    According to the BBC the US now has more cases than any other country in the world, including China.
    Yep. China was first with 81,000 cases and we've just passed them with 83,000 cases and rising rapidly now and their cases have leveled off to next to no new cases/day according to them -



    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/china/






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    Speculative article below.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...ly-please-read

    Apparently. Three towns in Italy had multiple times fatalities for a 3 month period (compared to same period of previous years and also quarterly average). For example, one town had 31 deaths attributed to COVID in 2020. Same period in previous years average 35 deaths. But this year same town reported 158 deaths so far. Even taken away the 31 COVID deaths... you don’t have 4x normal death rate for no reason.

    Don’t know how verified this is. But apparently it’s not just one town in Italy.

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    https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_...?refresh_ce-cp

    Article referenced in first article.....
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    Comparing China's numbers is futile. You may as well have Joe Exotic are your source.
    Yep. We're only talking officially recognized numbers. Who knows what China's numbers really are.
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    Belarus President calls pandemic "psychosis"

    "I don't call this corona virus any different than a psychosis and I don't let it put me off," said Lukashenko. "The civilized world has gone crazy, and politicians have started to use the situation for their interests."
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