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    changes my view of the virus/approach

    Possibly less transmissible than previously thought

    https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Not a biological weapon.

    But whats not to say China purposefully put dozens of its own citizens, knowing they were infected, on planes around the world?
    remember when trump shut the flights from china? RACIST. They applauded Canadians for keeping borders open, now look at us

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    Originally Posted by dondadas View Post
    https://twitter.com/Abuamerican/stat...92289959165953


    what the phuck is wrong with these people?


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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    changes my view of the virus/approach

    Possibly less transmissible than previously thought

    https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
    This is in the wrong thread, really...

    The media was put into a frenzy when the above authors released their study on COVID-19’s ability to survive in the air. The study did find the virus could survive in the air for a couple of hours; however, this study was designed as academic exercise rather than a real-world test. This study put COVID-19 into a spray bottle to “mist” it into the air. I don’t know anyone who coughs in mist form and it is unclear if the viral load was large enough to infect another individual. As one doctor, who wants to remain anonymous, told me, “Corona doesn’t have wings”.
    I'm going to refrain from stating the obvious.

    But really, you should post this article in the other thread.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Possibly some really good news

    The main model people are relying upon for drastic actions in America (imperial college study) turns out likely overestimated a key method of transmission of the infection by 50x.

    Study said asymptomatic carriers can spread at 50% of a symptomatic carrier
    New data suggests its 1-10%, meaning, extreme social distancing isn’t required as long as the symptomatic are isolated

    https://twitter.com/jordanschachtel/...295523328?s=21
    Ty for sharing. Isn't this imperial study the one that predicted 2 million+ deaths in the US alone if no isolation was done?

    Brb one key assumption off by 50x nbd "whoopsies guys I fat-fingered an extra 0 hue hue"

    Keep in mind: these are more or less the same scientists that said we would be underwater by 2010, 30 years ago. It's almost like these scientists have no responsibility to honesty. Planet still not underwater. Still no ice age.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    changes my view of the virus/approach

    Possibly less transmissible than previously thought

    https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
    I agreed with most of the stuff in this article except for 2 things that are kind of giant leaps. The estimate given by the imperial college was done using pre-symptomatic spread vs symptomatic spread. This is not to be confused with total asymptomatic cases. Like I said previously there’s evidence of pre-symptomatic spread. But most studies show true asymptomatic cases to be very low. So he got these two things right, only he then jump to the conclusion that it’s a direct correlation between # of asymptomatic people and how many people get infected through an asymptomatic person. Logically you’d think an asymptomatic person would be able to infect more people that symptomatic people. Example: 1% of cases being asymptomatic does not mean 1% of future spread would be through the asymptomatic people. Theyre not showing symptoms so more likely to interact like normal with others, thus more opportunity for spread. So it’s flawed logic to assume a 1 to 1 correlation.

    Another thing is he went off of the number of critical cases posted for US on worldometer, anyone that tracks that knows it is not accurate, I’m pretty sure only a couple states even report that number.

    But other than that, agree that the imperial college study is overestimating total cases, also agree that Italy is not representative of the whole world population, and that they’re actually going toward containment (go to log view on worldometer for cases, it’s a pretty clear decrease in slope). Hopefully in 3-4 weeks we see the same trend for US.
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    Originally Posted by S0Jack3d View Post
    what if they're lying about the death rate and its much deadlier than what is being reported? I mean, theyre putting the whole country into martial law on monday supposedly, they wouldnt do that if it wasnt that deadly
    5% is plenty deadly to take extreme cautions.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    changes my view of the virus/approach

    Possibly less transmissible than previously thought

    https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
    yeah. I think SOME things need to happen (limited groups out; maybe older people stay home) but all this other stuff is insane.
    digitalchi;1556326171: "imagine him not only getting elected in 2020 but also in 2024 due to some pro trump movement.

    Is there anything in the rules that prevents you from getting elected even though you dont run? I know you technically cant run for a 3rd term"

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    Originally Posted by eatmycrackers View Post
    Ty for sharing. Isn't this imperial study the one that predicted 2 million+ deaths in the US alone if no isolation was done?

    Brb one key assumption off by 50x nbd "whoopsies guys I fat-fingered an extra 0 hue hue"

    Keep in mind: these are more or less the same scientists that said we would be underwater by 2010, 30 years ago. It's almost like these scientists have no responsibility to honesty. Planet still not underwater. Still no ice age.

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    yep

    Transmissibility might actually be way under what they presented
    Community spread may be only 20-25% where 75-80% is spread in confined spaces under extended period of hours (think houses or hospitals )

    Maybe a more strategic approach is taken in terms of quarantining
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    The outbreak started in America (Maryland) in Aug 2019 ... The first case of death reported in US was in Washington...


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    Not a professional but I don't believe it is a bioweapon. Conditions were prime for such a virus to mutate and spread, was only a matter of time.

    I would expect a bioweapon to be much less contagious and have a higher fatality rate per case. I don't see the benefit in designing a bioweapon that could infect the whole planet.

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    Originally Posted by Anachron View Post
    This is in the wrong thread, really...



    I'm going to refrain from stating the obvious.

    But really, you should post this article in the other thread.
    and discount the other scientific studies in his report?
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    and discount the other scientific studies in his report?
    I don't understand, I wasn't calling the article out. I was posting the same thing as what I quoted, and was called a troll for it.

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    Originally Posted by lupus002 View Post
    A legit bioweapon would prob have us rapidly getting cancer or some disease and dying in a few days. this chit is just cover for the garbage economy and crash that is inevitable.
    I tend to agree. If they wanted to release a weapon deliberately it wouldn't be this weak sauce- which is terrible for an average disease but not really going to permanently harm a nation.

    All releasing something this "meh" by bioweapon standards does is give the USA & Europe a big wake up call about how inneffective their health care systems & pandemic responses are vs a real outbreak. I am assuming that going forward, USA & Europe (& Oz) will greatly improve their responses & systems based on this wake up call. So it just makes those nations better prepared if they ere ever to release a "real" killer.

    I think this was just a dumb mistake. Bat to human disease transfers are quite common (so far as interspecies disease crossover goes). If it did come out of the Wuhan lab, it was likely some greedy shmuck selling their test bats for extra side hustle $$$ to the nearby market instead if incinerating them.
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    Originally Posted by Anachron View Post
    I don't understand, I wasn't calling the article out. I was posting the same thing as what I quoted, and was called a troll for it.
    whoops, misunderstanding
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    The outbreak started in America (Maryland) in Aug 2019 ... The first case of death reported in US was in Washington...

    That makes no sense because then the outbreak would be heavier in USA in those areas and it is not.

    And it also doesnt make sense that it was then transferred to WuHan and only WuHan and nowhere else.

    If that were true it would be in random other places not just Wuhan.

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    the only question is if the chinese government let it out on purpose or if it got out on accident.


    It was stolen from canada and brought to wuhan

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    Originally Posted by blakus_javus View Post
    I tend to agree. If they wanted to release a weapon deliberately it wouldn't be this weak sauce- which is terrible for an average disease but not really going to permanently harm a nation.

    All releasing something this "meh" by bioweapon standards does is give the USA & Europe a big wake up call about how inneffective their health care systems & pandemic responses are vs a real outbreak. I am assuming that going forward, USA & Europe (& Oz) will greatly improve their responses & systems based on this wake up call. So it just makes those nations better prepared if they ere ever to release a "real" killer.

    I think this was just a dumb mistake. Bat to human disease transfers are quite common (so far as interspecies disease crossover goes). If it did come out of the Wuhan lab, it was likely some greedy shmuck selling their test bats for extra side hustle $$$ to the nearby market instead if incinerating them.


    this argument that it is "meh" and therefore not a bioweapon is a weak argument considering the economic and fear impact it has had everywhere.

    - entire countries on lock down
    - us market down 30%
    - massive liquidity problems
    - businesses shut down, impending recession
    - borders closed
    - travel restricted
    - mass panic


    but but but its a meh weapon. This has had a way bigger impact than any tomahawk strike or computer hack.

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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    If you guys are going to blame CHina, I need proof. And no fkn youtube video or article from some cuck website is proof. If you don't have it, SHUT YOUR FKN MOUTH.
    Anyone with reasoning skills can see why it is sketchy.

    Started in Wuhan China.
    Right next to a BSL level 4 lab that was studying this exact virus.
    China silenced doctors and nurses who tried to warn what was going on when it first started.
    Silenced Chinese citizens who tried to warn the world.
    Shutdown a city of 10 million to try to contain it.
    When it couldn't be silenced they fabricated multiple stories how it started.
    Ordered borders stay open with the world despite shutting down cities to keep up appearances.
    Fabricated test results.
    Changed criteria for test results to make it appear there weren't many cases
    Cut off ALL outside communication from citizens.
    Tried to blame USA.
    Still haven't reopened many factories.

    Sorry dude. Don't have any evidence. All of the above was just a coincidence though.

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    Originally Posted by TrinnieBuu View Post
    I agreed with most of the stuff in this article except for 2 things that are kind of giant leaps. The estimate given by the imperial college was done using pre-symptomatic spread vs symptomatic spread. This is not to be confused with total asymptomatic cases. Like I said previously there’s evidence of pre-symptomatic spread. But most studies show true asymptomatic cases to be very low. So he got these two things right, only he then jump to the conclusion that it’s a direct correlation between # of asymptomatic people and how many people get infected through an asymptomatic person. Logically you’d think an asymptomatic person would be able to infect more people that symptomatic people. Example: 1% of cases being asymptomatic does not mean 1% of future spread would be through the asymptomatic people. Theyre not showing symptoms so more likely to interact like normal with others, thus more opportunity for spread. So it’s flawed logic to assume a 1 to 1 correlation.

    Another thing is he went off of the number of critical cases posted for US on worldometer, anyone that tracks that knows it is not accurate, I’m pretty sure only a couple states even report that number.

    But other than that, agree that the imperial college study is overestimating total cases, also agree that Italy is not representative of the whole world population, and that they’re actually going toward containment (go to log view on worldometer for cases, it’s a pretty clear decrease in slope). Hopefully in 3-4 weeks we see the same trend for US.
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    It is important to note there is a difference between “never showing symptoms” and “pre-symptomatic” and the media is promoting an unproven narrative. Almost all people end up in the latter camp within five days, almost never the former. It is very unlikely for individuals with COVID-19 to never show symptoms. WHO and CDC claim that asymptomatic spread isn’t a concern and quite rare.
    It may just be people not being worried about it as they think it’s just allergies
    I do agree it’s probably not 1:1 but I still think it’s probably lower than previously thought
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    These are the culprits.

    It was a mammal jump from another mammal and then to human multi adaptation. The wet markets are "a ticking time bomb" of viruses.

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    Originally Posted by AlwaysFocus View Post
    most governments acted this way, in BC we were told low risk, keep flights and borders open, dont be racist, then boom 180.
    Yup, we are fukked in BC. All ICUs in Vancouver already full. We aren’t testing enough and healthcare measures are fake and mostly just for show.
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    That makes no sense because then the outbreak would be heavier in USA in those areas and it is not.

    And it also doesnt make sense that it was then transferred to WuHan and only WuHan and nowhere else.

    If that were true it would be in random other places not just Wuhan.
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post


    These are the culprits.

    It was a mammal jump from another mammal and then to human multi adaptation. The wet markets are "a ticking time bomb" of viruses.
    I am sure there is good information in there, I just can't take them seriously because they have towed a few too many CCP propaganda lines.

    Also, species to species jumps are uncommon, but not rare. To have it jump a specie and then spread within that species is exceedingly rare. To have it jump that species, spread within that next species, make another species jump, and then spread within that specie is extremely, extremely, extremely rare.

    Again. I do not believe this was a bio-weapon. I believe the virus was being studied in case it did ever make the jump to humans so that the world could prepare and possibly even a vaccine developed. I think China fuked up in their security precaution and it spread unintentionally.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    changes my view of the virus/approach

    Possibly less transmissible than previously thought

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    wow, they just removed it

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    Originally Posted by JeepBruh View Post
    Anyone with reasoning skills can see why it is sketchy.

    Started in Wuhan China.
    Right next to a BSL level 4 lab that was studying this exact virus.
    China silenced doctors and nurses who tried to warn what was going on when it first started.
    Silenced Chinese citizens who tried to warn the world.
    Shutdown a city of 10 million to try to contain it.
    When it couldn't be silenced they fabricated multiple stories how it started.
    Ordered borders stay open with the world despite shutting down cities to keep up appearances.
    Fabricated test results.
    Changed criteria for test results to make it appear there weren't many cases
    Cut off ALL outside communication from citizens.
    Tried to blame USA.
    Still haven't reopened many factories.

    Sorry dude. Don't have any evidence. All of the above was just a coincidence though.
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    wow, they just removed it

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    Originally Posted by elterrible987 View Post
    this argument that it is "meh" and therefore not a bioweapon is a weak argument considering the economic and fear impact it has had everywhere.

    - entire countries on lock down
    - us market down 30%
    - massive liquidity problems
    - businesses shut down, impending recession
    - borders closed
    - travel restricted
    - mass panic


    but but but its a meh weapon. This has had a way bigger impact than any tomahawk strike or computer hack.
    But it did just as much dmg to the Chinese economy & severely weakened Ji's standing at home & abroad. Makes no sense.
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    Originally Posted by BenjiDaldes View Post
    1) What's the chances of it being a biological weapon/10
    2) Who would want this/be behind it?
    1) 10000%
    2) Bill Gates, apparently
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