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    Anyone else think we'll be out of this forced quarantine by May?

    Even if the doom and gloomers are right and this won't end for the foreseeable future, people will stop seeing a point of a prolonged lockdown & won't believe hiding from a virus everyone has or will get for much longer is even worth it.
    The next "evaluation" for lack of a better term is set for April 30th so two possible things will happen...

    1.The government announces they have found a way to get tests to everyone, not just people who need a note from their doctor and the kits are sent out across the country and then selective quarantine for those who test positive and those who test negative get to go to work, "non essential" places open up with certain hygienic protocols in place and society slowly returns to normal.

    2.The government is still inept and has no clue on what to do and is still not telling us everything and we stay locked down which imo would lead to a lot of civil unrest.

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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    The next "evaluation" for lack of a better term is set for April 30th so two possible things will happen...

    1.The government announces they have found a way to get tests to everyone, not just people who need a note from their doctor and the kits are sent out across the country and then selective quarantine for those who test positive and those who test negative get to go to work, "non essential" places open up with certain hygienic protocols in place and society slowly returns to normal.

    2.The government is still inept and has no clue on what to do and is still not telling us everything and we stay locked down which imo would lead to a lot of civil unrest.
    Honestly can't see either of these happening but the worst of both, lacking testing AND getting back to work. They'll use the dropping numbers to justify it.
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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    Honestly can't see either of these happening but the worst of both, lacking testing AND getting back to work. They'll use the dropping numbers to justify it.
    The government both state and federal botched this and it's scary to see just how unprepared we are.

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Does anyone have a collection of the most robust scientific evidence that this is not a bioweapon?

    The CT'ers are at it in the other thread and are simply not amenable to reason. Any contention of their pet theories and you're either a shill or "in on it" somehow. Wondering if we could just blast them with undeniable evidence, or if it's best to just leave them to their own devices.
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Does anyone have a collection of the most robust scientific evidence that this is not a bioweapon?

    The CT'ers are at it in the other thread and are simply not amenable to reason. Any contention of their pet theories and you're either a shill or "in on it" somehow. Wondering if we could just blast them with undeniable evidence, or if it's best to just leave them to their own devices.
    You really think this was a natural mutation? I'm not saying it was a bioweapon but there is a great deal of evidence to support that it was an engineered virus.

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    Seems we are edging to the lower end of IHME projections. Let’s see if today continue the same trend.
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    You really think this was a natural mutation?
    Yes.

    Please stop giving the flat earthers any attention, they don't deserve it

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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    You really think this was a natural mutation? I'm not saying it was a bioweapon but there is a great deal of evidence to support that it was an engineered virus.

    Yes, I think it was a natural mutation. FWIW I don't at all attribute all evolutionary novelty merely to random mutations and natural selection. Those are, of course, aspects of evolution but far from the complete story of evolutionary biology in the 21st century.

    I believe all the evidence is in favour of a natural virus and none at all in favour of it being engineered. Every time I say this I just get negged with accusations of being a shill or being paid by the CCP, and never hit with countervailing evidence.


    That convinces me I'm simply not dealing with rational or evidence-minded people, rather, people who are excited by the thought of being red-pilled or woke despite it just not being the case this time. Takeaway is this: Reverence for mother nature is in order, not for vague and ludicrous CT's that only perpetuate themselves with ad hoc rescues of endless farcical and unfalsifiable claims.
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    I think the only true way to get an idea of how much covid is killing is comparing monthly averages vs this month
    Much like The NY Times article on how italy has 5x the normal amount of deaths for march
    why do you keep misrepresenting this as fact? Italy as a country averages around 50-60k deaths a month.

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    Actually had a conversation with someone yesterday who essentially said virus is either fake or 100% blown out of proportion because "I mean, I don't know a single person who has it. Do you even know anyone who has it?!"

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Does anyone have a collection of the most robust scientific evidence that this is not a bioweapon?

    The CT'ers are at it in the other thread and are simply not amenable to reason. Any contention of their pet theories and you're either a shill or "in on it" somehow. Wondering if we could just blast them with undeniable evidence, or if it's best to just leave them to their own devices.
    The best way to deal with conspiracy theorists is to one up them. They have no idea what to do and they panic.

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    I believe all the evidence is in favour of a natural virus and none at all in favour of it being engineered. Every time I say this I just get negged with accusations of being a shill or being paid by the CCP, and never hit with countervailing evidence.
    There's a strong psychological tendency for people to refuse to believe things are out of their control. Obviously, people did it, because if nature did it, that would be unacceptably frightening. Nature is a happy place, and also, we can't punish it nor will it listen if we scream at it.

    It's a bit like the low-key racist insistence on blaming colonialism for all the problems in the third world. Denying the agency of, say, black people in Africa or Islamic fundamentalists, who they're unwilling to morally confront, makes it a lot easier to stomach the world for certain personality types. White people, that they can handle, so it must be their fault.

    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    I think the only true way to get an idea of how much covid is killing is comparing monthly averages vs this month
    Much like The NY Times article on how italy has 5x the normal amount of deaths for march
    I don't think Italy as a whole has 5x the deaths per month. The provinces which were already out-of-control before the lockdown, however, had several times their normal death rates. It's fair to say the lockdowns prevented that from becoming a nationwide situation.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Actually had a conversation with someone yesterday who essentially said virus is either fake or 100% blown out of proportion because "I mean, I don't know a single person who has it. Do you even know anyone who has it?!"
    Only 4 family members with it I know of crew

    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    There's a strong psychological tendency for people to refuse to believe things are out of their control. Obviously, people did it, because if nature did it, that would be unacceptably frightening. Nature is a happy place, and also, we can't punish it nor will it listen if we scream at it.
    People in general don't realize how common zoonosis is.

    People also don't like to believe things out of their control, or scary...and don't realize exactly how mild this virus really is compared to, well, a hell of a lot of other contagious diseases (some viruses, some not). It could have been something much worse...maybe next time it will be...even (we got lucky with SARS for example, maybe next one will be a CFR of 10 like it is...or it'll be a filovirus, or hendra, or something new and crazy we cannot conceive)
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    Originally Posted by Frank Drebin View Post
    why do you keep misrepresenting this as fact? Italy as a country averages around 50-60k deaths a month.
    if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
    We could do the same here, specifically for NY
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
    We could do the same here, specifically for NY
    That ^

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post

    People also don't like to believe things out of their control, or scary...and don't realize exactly how mild this virus really is compared to, well, a hell of a lot of other contagious diseases (some viruses, some not). It could have been something much worse...maybe next time it will be...even (we got lucky with SARS for example, maybe next one will be a CFR of 10 like it is...or it'll be a filovirus, or hendra, or something new and crazy we cannot conceive)
    I agree with you here big time. I really hope this was a wake up call to the world at just how unprepared we are for kind of thing. This is a deadly virus for many, but like you said, imagine if SARS or something worse was able to spread like this....
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    The government both state and federal botched this and it's scary to see just how unprepared we are.
    I love how a bunch of armchair potatoes are sitting around with 20/20 hindsight saying the government should have done this or that, while they in turn were woefully unprepared and had no spare food, masks, toilet paper, or essential supplies going into this. Not to mention no emergency fund to pay their rent and now want handouts.

    I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
    We could do the same here, specifically for NY
    Referring to this:

    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Recently posted re:Italy in the WSJ:



    Essentially we haven't gotten accurate counts on deaths in Italy yet, by thousands they say:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Yes, I think it was a natural mutation. FWIW I don't at all attribute all evolutionary novelty merely to random mutations and natural selection. Those are, of course, aspects of evolution but far from the complete story of evolutionary biology in the 21st century.

    I believe all the evidence is in favour of a natural virus and none at all in favour of it being engineered. Every time I say this I just get negged with accusations of being a shill or being paid by the CCP, and never hit with countervailing evidence.


    That convinces me I'm simply not dealing with rational or evidence-minded people, rather, people who are excited by the thought of being red-pilled or woke despite it just not being the case this time. Takeaway is this: Reverence for mother nature is in order, not for vague and ludicrous CT's that only perpetuate themselves with ad hoc rescues of endless farcical and unfalsifiable claims.
    I have to disagree with you, I feel it was engineered. I mean in Wuhan where this first started there is a level 4 lab that is equipped to deal with very dangerous viruses as well as talk of them mixing SARS with HIV or something along those lines so I don't think it's any coincidence. Plus it's very obvious that we aren't being told the whole truth by the government, there are a lot of things that just don't add up about this.

    Just out of curiosity what are some of the CTs you have heard in regards to this being a bioweapon?

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    thank you sir

    Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

    I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
    Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

    I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for

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    I have to disagree with you, I feel it was engineered. I mean in Wuhan where this first started there is a level 4 lab that is equipped to deal with very dangerous viruses as well as talk of them mixing SARS with HIV or something along those lines so I don't think it's any coincidence. Plus it's very obvious that we aren't being told the whole truth by the government, there are a lot of things that just don't add up about this.

    Just out of curiosity what are some of the CTs you have heard in regards to this being a bioweapon?
    I originally thought it was man made and came from the lab
    Then an expert of joe rogan said it was too well designed to be done by a man, nature is better

    Now there’s a new theory that the scientist in the lab, who is now dead, extracted this virus from a bat colony 800 miles away from the lab, brought it back to experiment, and accident released it (there’s a YouTube video on it)

    Idk, just wished China alerted the world and shut down travel immediately
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    thank you sir

    Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

    I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
    Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

    I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for
    That kind of state. Month of Feb, month of March, month of April...for 2020...vs that month last year...and the IDK say average for that month the last three years...does seem like one really good data point to pin on the board somewhere. Big picture. No nuance or deciding what an "official" cause is, no "but did they test?" or "would they have anyway?" ad nausea. Just...here's the change for this year. I'd like to see a lot of that month-comparison as time goes by, and looking back in hindsight in a few months and years

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    I love how a bunch of armchair potatoes are sitting around with 20/20 hindsight saying the government should have done this or that, while they in turn were woefully unprepared and had no spare food, masks, toilet paper, or essential supplies going into this. Not to mention no emergency fund to pay their rent and now want handouts.

    I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.
    The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    thank you sir

    Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

    I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
    Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

    I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for

    I originally thought it was man made and came from the lab
    Then an expert of joe rogan said it was too well designed to be done by a man, nature is better

    Now there’s a new theory that the scientist in the lab, who is now dead, extracted this virus from a bat colony 800 miles away from the lab, brought it back to experiment, and accident released it (there’s a YouTube video on it)

    Idk, just wished China alerted the world and shut down travel immediately
    See I feel the opposite, It seems like this virus is far too specific and perfect to just be a natural mutation but the theory about the scientist who supposedly extracted it from a bat colony and brought it back to experiment on is very possible.

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    Rumor is, covid is blowing up in Guangzhou City
    Similar size to Wuhan, 13 million people (Wuhan 11, NY 8.5)
    The metro area has 56 million


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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.
    Vox is not referring to that group of people so much as the majority/everybody else.

    He's also a fan of the group of people who already had those things before we started seeing signs of this in January.

    You're right that it's doomed to failure to trust the gubmint, big business, and MSM to accurately inform. That's how you get stupid **** like "it's going away" or "flu kills __ and corona only killed 30 think about that" or "masks don't help don't wear them". Unfortunately most people suck at the teet of the gubmint and MSM so...when sht gets real all they can do is look to that same gubmint and be like...bail me out daddy I'm helpless I'm 12 what's going on?

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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.
    Sounds like a lot of screaming at the sky to me.

    You prepare as an individual, and make your own decisions. Anyone who relies on the government to protect them from "bad things" made a life mistake.






    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Vox is not referring to that group of people so much as the majority/everybody else.

    He's also a fan of the group of people who already had those things before we started seeing signs of this in January.
    I told people on here and real life back in Jan / Feb. that this would be different and make sure to be prepared. Also warned people to watch what governments DO, not what they say. Actions speak louder than words, and those in the know are always going to do a bread-and-circuses routine for the masses while they frantically try to get their sh!t together in the background.

    It's sadly funny to me that so many just sat around waiting for someone else to tell them what was going on or what to do about it.

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    Not letting me quote Farley for some reason.

    That said... after this one really there should be no excuses the next time something like this comes around (because it will) for governments to have a better response plan.

    Outside of inconsistency from different agencies from Feb to mid March, and the CDC botching their tests (out of good intentions, they wanted to make the test better, just failed in practice), not sure anyone out there knew 1-2 years in advance that something could spread this quickly and kill this many even with an almost full lockdown.
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    I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.
    Eh, can't go with you on this. This isn't a super volcano or a meteor strike.

    The warnings about this pandemic have been circulating for 10-15 years. There have been White House wargames for it, including as part of the transition handoff from the Obama administration to the Trump administration. Navarro was warning internally way back in January and there were intelligence briefings about China concealing the severity of the situation.

    This was buried out of political convenience and wishful thinking, not because it was impractical to plan for. Our public health infrastructure has been crumbling across multiple administrations at all levels for many years, and it's a bipartisan failure that permeates all levels of government, but it is a failure.

    It's 100% not Trump's fault that he inherited a broken system, but the time to start doing what could be done to address it came and went a month earlier. Public health is a national security issue.

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    Rumor is, covid is blowing up in Guangzhou City
    Similar size to Wuhan, 13 million people (Wuhan 11, NY 8.5)
    The metro area has 56 million
    https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/st...998448643?s=21
    Apparently, Guangzhou is getting a little hysterical about foreigners because five imported cases were detected among Nigerians. This is interesting considering Nigeria is barely reporting any cases.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1184887.shtml
    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-04...101539641.html

    Makes me wonder if Lagos is blowing up and we just don't know it yet because Nigeria.
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    I’m in the “hard to blame the government” for a once in a century pandemic crowd
    I don’t think any government on earth is prepared for this other than SK. And I think of a ton of their success has to do with dealing with SARS and having compliant citizens
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