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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    I don't think we need to see if it comes back next season. It's not going to go away over the next few months/summer 100%. It's just...not.

    We're just going to have to get back to as normal as possible and deal with it. Reports of people getting over it, yet 2-3 weeks later still shedding virus. That just doesn't go away forever to me.
    Luckily by the time the next season rolls around we will have made more progress with treatments and therapies.. And hopefully a vaccine is closer than it is now.
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    Anyone with a steady job right now should be dumping money from each paycheck into this market. I am 30 years old, everything I am buying now will be very juicy when I retire in 30 years.
    Yuuuuup.

    My Roth is heavy on XT now. Basically a one-stop iShares ETF of 200 companies that are positioned to leverage futuristic technologies: automation, genetics, etc. Has not only outperformed historically, but so far, isn't face-planting as hard during this downturn. Gilead Sciences, maker of remdesivir, is one of their top 10 holdings.

    Historically, IMO, tech adoption is accelerated by pandemics as organizations are forced to find new ways to do things and keep the changes that worked afterwards. We're seeing that now with the increased demand for work-from-home technologies, but I think you're also going to see it continue in the aftermath. Companies that are already positioned for that are likely to outperform.

    Also picked up some Ford, Boeing, Norwegian Cruise Lines in taxable while they're on sale. If I lose it, I lose it and take the tax deduction. Figure the shareholder perks at NCL and Ford should pay for themselves at some point. Might buy into something tied to Vegas in the next round, but I don't know what. Sniffing around both sides of the Caesar's/Eldorado deal.
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    Luckily by the time the next season rolls around we will have made more progress with treatments and therapies.. And hopefully a vaccine is closer than it is now.
    Hopefully we will have made progress there, but it's not a guarantee.

    That will be no vaccine for next winter

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Hopefully we will have made progress there, but it's not a guarantee.

    That will be no vaccine for next winter
    I saw another lab last week has a vaccine in the form of a patch that has worked on rats. They're hoping FDA will fast track human trials. Not sure how much faster fast tracking is, but....

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    Guys. Avoid threads, news, broadcasts, irl convos etc like this srs. Overdiscussing it does no good to anyone and most of you will end up as hypochondriacs.
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    Originally Posted by Sinan09400 View Post
    Guys. Avoid threads, news, broadcasts, irl convos etc like this srs. Overdiscussing it does no good to anyone and most of you will end up as hypochondriacs.
    You do you

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    has anyone found any more evidence of the virus attacking the red blood cells preventing oxygen binding which leads to the respiratory issues? I think thats a very plausible mechanism of attack and explains some of the issues that have been arising

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    What the fuk are they testing tigers for? Srs. There's supposedly a shortage.
    i can absolutely promise you that learning if it transmits to animals or not is 1000000x more important
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    As discussed herein and in the YouTube video at the top of the page, treatment paradigms seem to be changing and are driven more by the assumptions that this is more like HAPE:

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04332081
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    I saw another lab last week has a vaccine in the form of a patch that has worked on rats. They're hoping FDA will fast track human trials. Not sure how much faster fast tracking is, but....
    Yep. Seems to work more like the traditional vaccine. Antigen is delivered into the skin via microneedles which are composed of sugar, which are then readily dissolved. It's a bandaid-type patch and feels like velcro. Immunity is developed within 2 weeks. Seems easy to scale up. Yes, it's just mouse data at this point but human trials are starting up and it def looks promising.

    https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/c...iewed-research
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Hopefully we will have made progress there, but it's not a guarantee.

    That will be no vaccine for next winter
    A vaccine isn't needed so much as just treatments that help those who are hospitalized. The death rate is low. Many people who get it show no symptoms or get over it without needing any treatment.

    Really just need some better therapies to help those who are hospitalized, and I think those will be ready by winter. Some are said to already be working such as the anti malaria drug and also injecting plasma from recovered patients has helped someone that was hospitalized.

    Lots of optimistic news coming out lately.
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    A vaccine isn't needed so much as just treatments that help those who are hospitalized. The death rate is low. Many people who get it show no symptoms or get over it without needing any treatment.

    Really just need some better therapies to help those who are hospitalized, and I think those will be ready by winter. Some are said to already be working such as the anti malaria drug and also injecting plasma from recovered patients has helped someone that was hospitalized.

    Lots of optimistic news coming out lately.
    That drug doesn't work as well as most people seem to think. At least one country and I think more than one already banned it, actually.

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    That drug doesn't work as well as most people seem to think. At least one country and I think more than one already banned it, actually.
    Which one? Hydrochloroquine?

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    Recovered Corona patients plasma was given to a hospitalized patient and...

    "The patient was taken off some medication, is healthier in terms of oxygenation and is doing incrementally better day by day"
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So what of the loads of doctors around the world (including many here in the US) saying it is indeed proving to be an effective treatment?
    Lots of people are saying lots of things.

    To me it's clear it's not this miracle drug the idiot in chief was rambling about.

    Generally it's a good idea not to get medical advice from trump. He's kind of an idiot. I, I mean...wash your hands and don't go to work if you're sick, sal goodman

    Remember, this was less than 1 month ago




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    March 12: “It’s going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”



    Feel free to just ignore everything he says about diseases and covid, like all the other politicians, he's a retard. So when he touts this drug as a miracle, you can safely assume just based on that, that it's not lol

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Lots of people are saying lots of things.

    To me it's clear it's not this miracle drug the idiot in chief was rambling about.

    Generally it's a good idea not to get medical advice from trump. He's kind of an idiot. I, I mean...wash your hands and don't go to work if you're sick, sal goodman

    Remember, this was less than 1 month ago

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    I don't thinks anyone ever thought it was a miraculous drug that would cure all cases. If it's helping 20% of cases...even 10% of cases, it's better than nothing.
    Seems like the doctors who are using it that I've seen talk about it are saying it's surely helping more people than it isn't. From what I've seen, the problem is too many doctors are giving it when people are too far gone. The earlier they start it, the better.

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    Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

    https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-co...quine/6079864/
    The amount of completely contradictory anecdotes about this is crazy

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    There's never going to be a "fix all" solution.

    Chemotherapy works on some people, doesn't work on others.

    I think there's been enough doctors on the front lines who have come out and said "it's helping" to justify its use.
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    There's never going to be a "fix all" solution.

    I think there's been enough doctors on the front lines who have come out and said "it's helping" to justify its use.
    This. Maybe some are taking what Trump is saying as it's a cure to all patients. I never took it that way and lol if some are. But there's enough doctors saying it's working for me to think it's certainly not useless... And again, I believe the earlier on it's given, the more effective it will be considering how it works.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    And again, I believe the earlier on it's given, the more effective it will be considering how it works.
    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

    https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-co...quine/6079864/
    "He added that the drug should not be prescribed for those who are presenting only mild symptoms, as there are concerns about shortages for patients with other conditions who need to take the drug on a regular basis."


    How do you give it early if you don't give it to mild symptoms?

    This is what I mean about there being a bajillion anecdotal reports, most of which directly contradict or at least contraindicate one another

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    "He added that the drug should not be prescribed for those who are presenting only mild symptoms, as there are concerns about shortages for patients with other conditions who need to take the drug on a regular basis."


    How do you give it early if you don't give it to mild symptoms?

    This is what I mean about there being a bajillion anecdotal reports, most of which directly contradict or at least contraindicate one another
    who knows at this point
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    i dont understand the hydrochloro debate. there is a huge focus on the media but the media doesnt control approval.

    shouldnt the heat be on the FDA or whoever else has a hand in approval? the public debates seem futile.
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    i dont understand the hydrochloro debate. there is a huge focus on the media but the media doesnt control approval.

    shouldnt the heat be on the FDA or whoever else has a hand in approval? the public debates seem futile.
    This is what happens when politicians who don't have a clue spout off nonsense and then hold back their medical experts from speaking freely

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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    i dont understand the hydrochloro debate. there is a huge focus on the media but the media doesnt control approval.

    shouldnt the heat be on the FDA or whoever else has a hand in approval? the public debates seem futile.
    no clue
    We have a drug that’s been around for decades, can be prescribed “off label” , and is voted as the best drug against covid by 2k doctors

    The resistance by the media makes no sense at all
    In most states, your doc can prescribe it to you

    I suggest calling your doctor proactively and get their thoughts on it
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post

    Feel free to just ignore everything he says about diseases and covid, like all the other politicians, he's a retard. So when he touts this drug as a miracle, you can safely assume just based on that, that it's not lol
    heres the thing, i understand ignoring his "just a flu" stuff, but i doubt he knows what hydroxychloroquin never mind what it does what its used for. Somebody in the medical field must have mentioned it too him. Did he blow it out of proportion? Of course. But it came from somewhere, likely a doctor who does believe that it works. Fauci wants to see some data before he endorses it, understandably.
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    heres the thing, i understand ignoring his "just a flu" stuff, but i doubt he knows what hydroxychloroquin never mind what it does what its used for. Somebody in the medical field must have mentioned it too him. Did he blow it out of proportion? Of course. But it came from somewhere, likely a doctor who does believe that it works. Fauci wants to see some data before he endorses it, understandably.
    I'm sure it "came from somewhere". But so did his facts about how the flu compares to coronavirus. He got that from somewhere lol

    He could have got either one from a jobob on facebook for all we know

    I don't know what Fauci wants, Trump talks over and doesn't let him answer. hm

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    Originally Posted by HockeyBacon18 View Post
    heres the thing, i understand ignoring his "just a flu" stuff, but i doubt he knows what hydroxychloroquin never mind what it does what its used for. Somebody in the medical field must have mentioned it too him. Did he blow it out of proportion? Of course. But it came from somewhere, likely a doctor who does believe that it works. Fauci wants to see some data before he endorses it, understandably.
    before trump ever mentioned HCQ, there were studies reported from South Korea and France touting its effectiveness
    I’m sure trump just ran with it
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