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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Would this not be a good thing? It would mean it's much less serious in terms of death rate. If so many of us already have had it, or have it now, and feel fine, then that's a good thing.

    it means that the virus is still in its incubation phase
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Would this not be a good thing? It would mean it's much less serious in terms of death rate. If so many of us already have had it, or have it now, and feel fine, then that's a good thing.
    As I posted before but was ignored because it's not sensational news

    As the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom, explained in his February 28 briefing, “Most people will have mild disease and get better without needing any special care.” Several studies have found that about 80% of all the COVID-19 cases have relatively minor symptoms which end without severe illness and therefore remain unreported.
    Pretty sure the Director General of the World Health Organization knows more than miscers. Once this shakes out the death rate will be very low.

    The danger is that vulnerable populations don't have an available vaccine like they do for flu. If they get it, they die. A regular, healthy person has nothing to worry about other than spreading it to their aging parents.

    Edit to add- spreading to vulnerable people is a legitimate concern, and self isolation is what I recommend, and am doing, in order to curb the spread. Not minimizing that.

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    The " a lot of 30 and 40 yr olds are dying " part
    I don't have a source, I'll see if I can dig one up, but what I have read is that there is a gene in something like 1 in 10 people that predisposes them to cytokine storms. I believe there is also evidence they are using arthritis medicine in China to treat COVID-19, which apparently is one of the ways you treat a cytokine storm. I don't think there is evidence that ALOT of 30-40 year olds are dying, but I suspect they may be a larger part of the 20% of severe cases than we realize. Most people assume its all the older folks that are severe cases. It seems like there are enough people in the 30-40 year old range being hospitalized to make it noteworthy. They are talking about implementing an age limit with respect to ICU access in italy for this reason.

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    It would mean the typical case isnt that bad, but also that it's over and this spread will reach everyone basically
    This is the catch-22. If there are lots of undetected cases, then we can expect to see the 70% population infected predictions coming true.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    Pretty sure the Director General of the World Health Organization knows more than miscers. Once this shakes out the death rate will be very low.
    One thing people should be aware of is that the WHO's definition of "severe" is a lot rougher than the average American's idea of a severe bug. They're basically people who need a hospital bed.

    The 80% of "mild" cases (classified as "mild to moderate" in the report) includes pneumonias and other complications that don't require hospitalization, but are definitely a lot harder on you than a bad cold and might require you to take an oxygen tank home with you to stick up your nose for a while.

    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    I don't have a source, I'll see if I can dig one up, but what I have read is that there is a gene in something like 1 in 10 people that predisposes them to cytokine storms. I believe there is also evidence they are using arthritis medicine in China to treat COVID-19, which apparently is one of the ways you treat a cytokine storm. I don't think there is evidence that ALOT of 30-40 year olds are dying, but I suspect they may be a larger part of the 20% of severe cases than we realize. Most people assume its all the older folks that are severe cases. It seems like there are enough people in the 30-40 year old range being hospitalized to make it noteworthy. They are talking about implementing an age limit with respect to ICU access in italy for this reason.
    You are correct about the cytokine storm-like reactions in some patients. It's not well understood.

    There are definitely quite a few younger people in hospital. The older people who die off easily aren't the ones who take up an ICU bed for ten days, which was one study's conclusion of the average stay for a coronavirus patient. The average for all causes is more like three, and it's typical for someone to need another 1.5 days in hospital for every day they spend in an ICU. This is rough stuff.
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    Originally Posted by MEDITATE View Post
    it means that the virus is still in its incubation phase
    Why are we not seeing massive issues in places where it's already been multiple weeks, like Hubei? It's already obviously hit hard there, gone through the incubation phase, and the recovered number is very close to reaching the total case number.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Why are we not seeing massive issues in places where it's already been multiple weeks, like Hubei? It's already obviously hit hard there, gone through the incubation phase, and the recovered number is very close to reaching the total case number.
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    Schools and Universities closed here in Spain now as of Monday. Theyre saying two weeks but we all know it'll be more. Ive had clients cancel next two weeks. People panic buying eeerthing. Specialists looking into my cities death rate as its farking high, near 10% (but, it has a lot to do with most cases hitting two old peoples homes- most infected are relations of or roommates) It gets very real when it hits your area. Again, if they really wanted to stop it, it would be lockdown like in Italy now, but nope. (2 kids under 8 in my house so goodnight sweet hygiene)
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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    One thing people should be aware of is that the WHO's definition of "severe" is a lot rougher than the average American's idea of a severe bug. They're basically people who need a hospital bed.

    The 80% of "mild" cases (classified as "mild to moderate" in the report) includes pneumonias and other complications that don't require hospitalization, but are definitely a lot harder on you than a bad cold and might require you to take an oxygen tank home with you to stick up your nose for a while.



    You are correct about the cytokine storm-like reactions in some patients. It's not well understood.

    There are definitely quite a few younger people in hospital. The older people who die off easily aren't the ones who take up an ICU bed for ten days, which was one study's conclusion of the average stay for a coronavirus patient. The average for all causes is more like three, and it's typical for someone to need another 1.5 days in hospital for every day they spend in an ICU. This is rough stuff.
    Post the source about a lot of young people in hospital

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    anyone else getting sick of coronavirus

    talk about something else, online news evyerwhere **** me

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    Originally Posted by rocksmith View Post
    Schools and Universities closed here in Spain now as of Monday. Theyre saying two weeks but we all know it'll be more. Ive had clients cancel next two weeks. People panic buying eeerthing. Specialists looking into my cities death rate as its farking high, near 10% (but, it has a lot to do with most cases hitting two old peoples homes- most infected are relations of or roommates) It gets very real when it hits your area. Again, if they really wanted to stop it, it would be lockdown like in Italy now, but nope. (2 kids under 8 in my house so goodnight sweet hygiene)
    Same in Belgium.

    School & universities closed for a month, same with restaurants, bars, gyms, movie theaters, ...
    Grocery stores & drug stores stay open, rest is gone until April. Regular shops will open during the week, but have to close during the weekends.

    'Only' 3 deaths here, all 70+ with comorbidities. But they're doing everything they can to 'flatten the curve', which I encourage.
    That being said: goodbye social life for at least a month.

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    Originally Posted by sandman2019 View Post
    anyone else getting sick of coronavirus

    talk about something else, online news evyerwhere **** me

    we' reall gonna get it probably tour is over. just accept it.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    Post the source about a lot of young people in hospital
    As far as I know, there are no clear statistics breaking down hospital admissions by demographic. It is, however, a fact that SIAARTI, a critical part of the Italian healthcare establishment, has published guidelines that contemplate setting a hard age limit on intensive care and refusing care to patients with preexisting conditions to free up the resources for those who are younger and don't have any (see #3 and #4).

    http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/New...%20clinica.pdf
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...al-bed/607807/

    If there were almost no young, healthy people ending in the ICU, there would be no reason to contemplate letting the old and frail die to save resources for them. Anecdotally I've read accounts of a number of ICU patients under 50, and am aware of no reason to believe that the hospitalization rate for young people is any lower relative to that for old people than the death rate, which would mean that with a 20% hospitalization rate, a 3.4% death rate, and .2% death rate for younger patients, it would be roughly 1-in-100 who land in the hospital.

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    Why are we not seeing massive issues in places where it's already been multiple weeks, like Hubei? It's already obviously hit hard there, gone through the incubation phase, and the recovered number is very close to reaching the total case number.
    Not sure if trolling ... incase you arent...the chinese are giving false info..... peeps online saying death toll almost at 30k there...unever ever trust a communist regime
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    How the hell did that happen?
    Cause idiots kept saying snt worry its nothing....and kept living their lives like nothing happenes
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Why are we not seeing massive issues in places where it's already been multiple weeks, like Hubei? It's already obviously hit hard there, gone through the incubation phase, and the recovered number is very close to reaching the total case number.
    Because the vulnerable populations died off quickly and made 'interesting' numbers. After the initial burnoff of vulnerables, regular healthy people recovered and there were no more vulnerable people left to flare up the numbers.

    In any area that has a new disease introduced you'll see an initial high fatality rate as the vulnerable populations die off. After that the fatality and complication rate quickly declines and the area is no longer newsworthy.

    It's common sense.

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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    How the hell did that happen?
    Because it's a contagious virus and 80% of infected only experience mild cold symptoms. Do you quarantine yourself for minor cold symptoms? No. Neither does everyone else.

    If the fear mongers ITT are correct I'll wait for the incoming 3,400 deaths in Ohio.

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    How the hell did that happen?
    Because people are completely ****ing ass retards through and through.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    Because it's a contagious virus and 80% of infected only experience mild cold symptoms. Do you quarantine yourself for minor cold symptoms? No. Neither does everyone else.

    If the fear mongers ITT are correct I'll wait for the incoming 3,400 deaths in Ohio.
    Do you realize how arrogant you have to be to assume that the actions unfolding around the world are all due to experts and governments over reacting when in fact it is soaponarope1 who has it all figured out?

    Like seriously, the media is chit, always has been. They blow everything out of proportion, and I get that. But this is multiple governments taking massive actions with enormous impacts. Do you REALLY think you have somehow cracked the code they all got wrong?
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    Because it's a contagious virus and 80% of infected only experience mild cold symptoms. Do you quarantine yourself for minor cold symptoms? No. Neither does everyone else.

    If the fear mongers ITT are correct I'll wait for the incoming 3,400 deaths in Ohio.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    Because it's a contagious virus and 80% of infected only experience mild cold symptoms. Do you quarantine yourself for minor cold symptoms? No. Neither does everyone else.

    If the fear mongers ITT are correct I'll wait for the incoming 3,400 deaths in Ohio.
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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    Do you realize how arrogant you have to be to assume that the actions unfolding around the world are all due to experts and governments over reacting when in fact it is soaponarope1 who has it all figured out?

    Like seriously, the media is chit, always has been. They blow everything out of proportion, and I get that. But this multiple governments taking massive actions with enormous impacts. Do you REALLY think you have somehow cracked the code they all got wrong?
    https://news.yahoo.com/150-million-a...185632345.html

    150 million will likely get it. Let's see who is right. If there's 5,100,000 deaths (3.4% of that), I guess the fear mongers win.

    It will burn through our vulnerable populations and burn out shortly after though. Isolate yourself to prevent it but it's not the end of the world.

    Edit- you people are morons. I'll leave this thread and update you all with the real numbers in 3 months. Bookmarked and added to calendar

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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    https://news.yahoo.com/150-million-a...185632345.html

    150 million will likely get it. Let's see who is right. If there's 5,100,000 deaths (3.4% of that), I guess the fear mongers win.

    It will burn through our vulnerable populations and burn out shortly after though. Isolate yourself to prevent it but it's not the end of the world.
    No one is saying its the end of the world. We are saying that if it is not taken seriously and isolation doesn't happen then we will overrun the hospitals and the effective CFR will be closer to 10% than the 3.4% it currently is. We are literally saying that "we need to isolate" and that includes "have some food on hand and some basic supplies" and thats about it...

    Are we both just saying the same thing and you don't realize you are on the "this is serious team"?
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    https://news.yahoo.com/150-million-a...185632345.html

    150 million will likely get it. Let's see who is right. If there's 5,100,000 deaths (3.4% of that), I guess the fear mongers win.

    It will burn through our vulnerable populations and burn out shortly after though. Isolate yourself to prevent it but it's not the end of the world.

    Edit- you people are morons. I'll leave this thread and update you all with the real numbers in 3 months. Bookmarking.
    How about 3 weeks?
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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    No one is saying its the end of the world. We are saying that if it is not taken seriously and isolation doesn't happen then we will overrun the hospitals and the effective CFR will be closer to 10% than the 3.4% it currently is. We are literally saying that "we need to isolate" and that includes "have some food on hand and some basic supplies" and thats about it...

    Are we both just saying the same thing and you don't realize you are on the "this is serious team"?
    I'm on the 'this isn't serious but use common sense and stop panic buying dumb ****' side

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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    I'm on the 'this isn't serious but use common sense and stop panic buying dumb ****' side
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    How about 3 weeks?
    Sure why not. If you believe this thread we'll all be dead by then anyways.

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