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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Fantasy. No doubt that he has the info, but he isn't presenting it, and may not be interpreting it clearly due to his own thought processes. The same thing happened during his interactions with military leadership.

    Trump was eager to get his shots in at China, but dealing with Americans is another story. There is no serious question right now that Trump is trying to downplay the situation for the sake of the market while health authorities are running against his wishes to try to get information to the public. The media has been unfair to him in some ways, but you don't even need to follow the reporting, just watch the press conferences directly, to see him make misstatements before his own experts patiently correct him. The mainstream reporting is consistent with that visible reality, but now there's a steady stream of disinformation coming out of hillbillies on Facebook and Twitter because they think Trump's Twitter account is telling them the entire truth and that the media is therefore lying when they accurately report what his own administration is trying to tell the public.

    Lifelong Republican here who worked on multiple federal campaigns, but Trump has a persistent problem with trying to revert to real estate hype tactics that are good for raising money for a project but less effective for critical decision-making. Trump, IMO, is an effective candidate but a mediocre leader - and also a populist fiscal catastrophe and not a conservative of any kind. Still not voting for Biden or Sanders. Might write in Dr. Schnabel von Rom.

    let's be srs, no matter who the president is/would be, it would be difficult for any gov't to get a handle on coronavirus, especially when it's so contagious. many people don't show symptoms for a long time, and by then they've already infected others, which is why i think quarantine isn't gonna be too effective. the best thing you can do is to try and keep it together, and prevent mass panic.

    aside from that you're just gonna have paid msm shills sitting on sites like twitter and facebook, pointing fingers at everyone in order to get clicks.
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    So based on other countries, at this point in time from the first few cases being discovered, US numbers should be going up at an alarming rate if the spread had gotten out of hand.
    So this means one of two things:
    - We were able to decently manage the spread
    - We simply aren't testing enough people to confirm they do indeed have it so the numbers are terribly off

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So based on other countries, at this point in time from the first few cases being discovered, US numbers should be going up at an alarming rate if the spread had gotten out of hand.
    So this means one of two things:
    - We were able to decently manage the spread
    - We simply aren't testing enough people to confirm they do indeed have it so the numbers are terribly off
    I feel it's the second option. This has been stateside since December/January. The spread already happened.
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    Was the Spanish Flu an illusion then? Bubonic plague which lasted for hundred of years? The reality is this is having the exact opposite of control-like Italians going on the run over the weekend rather than being isolated. What exactly is your logic here? That this is something created in a lab to be injected into large swathes of people which shuts down countries & to put people out of business? How would that benefit anybody in power if everybody is either dead or in quarantine? What power do these people have when their economy is in the crapper?
    Yeah stock market is taking a big hit. Travel bans preventing circulation of money isnt helping either. But imagine the person to make the vaccine for this. MILLIONS.
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    Originally Posted by .:Chris:. View Post
    Yeah stock market is taking a big hit. Travel bans preventing circulation of money isnt helping either. But imagine the person to make the vaccine for this. MILLIONS.
    supposedly.

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    Originally Posted by iamxclusive View Post
    Even IF they have a successful vaccine, it will be a year minimum before it's tested and OK'd to actually give to humans. By then, the virus will have been gone. (At least until next flu season.)

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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    I feel it's the second option. This has been stateside since December/January. The spread already happened.
    Look into Legionnaire's Disease.

    I suspect we're going to end up discovering something weird that we're doing that explains these concentrated outbreaks and ends up changing sanitation practices.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Even IF they have a successful vaccine, it will be a year minimum before it's tested and OK'd to actually give to humans. By then, the virus will have been gone. (At least until next flu season.)
    still getting the ball rolling

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Look into Legionnaire's Disease.

    I suspect we're going to end up discovering something weird that we're doing that explains these concentrated outbreaks and ends up changing sanitation practices.
    Well we rediscovered the fact that these viruses pass through HVAC systems...
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    Originally Posted by iamxclusive View Post
    still getting the ball rolling
    No doubt. I absolutely hope they do have a successful vaccine. But just being realistic that it's not going to help any of us for this wave.

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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    I feel it's the second option. This has been stateside since December/January. The spread already happened.
    100% agree, I think al lot of the cases were identified as the flu, although the flu tests were negative for a lot of people, no one was being actively tested until recently. The major wave was in January, schools were hit hard, blamed on the "flu".

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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    I feel it's the second option. This has been stateside since December/January. The spread already happened.
    That's true. But we supposedly have in excess of one million test kits distributed. I would think (uhhh, hope) at this point ANYONE with flu symptoms is getting tested for it at their family doctor, etc. We, in theory, should have been seeing serious spikes in numbers over the last few days.

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    Originally Posted by Midi77 View Post
    100% agree, I think al lot of the cases were identified as the flu, although the flu tests were negative for a lot of people, no one was being actively tested until recently. The major wave was in January, schools were hit hard, blamed on the "flu".
    Can someone with a medical background give this a read? They are attempting to track "Influenza Like Illness" cases in the US to see if there is a spike. I believe they are showing that to date, the number of cases are consistent with the norm historically. I.e. not an abnormal number indicating widespread transmission going under the radar.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    That's true. But we supposedly have in excess of one million test kits distributed. I would think (uhhh, hope) at this point ANYONE with flu symptoms is getting tested for it at their family doctor, etc. We, in theory, should have been seeing serious spikes in numbers over the last few days.
    Oh, God, no, we're not anywhere near doing that. None of that is happening. As of Friday, California and Washington have the largest testing capacities, but then it drops off rather dramatically:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...avirus/607597/

    Oregon, situated between the California and Washington hot spots, can test only about 40 people a day. ... The Texas Tribune has reported that the state can test approximately 30 people a day. ... Other states can test even fewer. Hawaii can test fewer than 20 people a day, though it could double that number in an emergency, an official told us. Iowa has supplies to test about 500 patients a day. Arkansas, though not near a current known outbreak, is able to test only four or five patients a day.

    On the East Coast, testing capacity varies significantly. New York State has 22 positive cases, including several cases of community transmission in Manhattan and Brooklyn. It can test 100 to 200 people a day. Neighboring New Jersey and Connecticut have not shared any information about how many tests they have run, or about their daily testing capacity. ... Pennsylvania can test only about a dozen people a day, and Delaware can test about 50 people, our survey found.

    These data come with an important caveat. Currently, most labs require two specimens to test one person. Single-specimen testing capability is being developed, but right now the top-line number of available tests should be cut in half. In other words, “1.5 million tests” should be able to test roughly 750,000 people.
    I can tell you from sources inside my home community's hospitals in upstate New York, there are simply no tests. None have been delivered, there is no information on when they will be delivered. New York State has just spun up their own lab in Albany running a proprietary test because the CDC is useless and last I knew, as of yesterday, they haven't even approved testing at most of the labs the state wants to press into service, including Northwell.

    Both Washington and California are reporting that they have far more cases they're monitoring than can actually be tested (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/h...ronavirus.html), and LifeCare announced at a press conference last week that they can neither test all their surviving patients nor have they gotten results on their other suspected coronavirus deaths yet.

    Basically, you're only getting tested if your doctor proactively demands it, and even then, it probably just isn't going to happen in any timely manner. Quarantining you to see if you get sick effectively is the test.
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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Oh, God, no, we're not anywhere near doing that. None of that is happening.

    Basically, you're only getting tested if your doctor proactively demands it, and even then, it probably just can't be performed.
    Then just lmfao. There's probably thousands of US cases just walking around spreading it.

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    I don’t understand why people are still worried China has had this for months, and the death rate there has stopped it seems like.

    Seems like they got it under control and they have conditions that seem to be the worst for doing so.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Then just lmfao. There's probably thousands of US cases just walking around spreading it.
    The CDC should have had this spun up nationwide after Valentine's Day with someone making sure adequate PPE was available to every hospital from strategic reserves. The United States was way behind the eight ball.

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    I don’t understand why people are still worried China has had this for months, and the death rate there has stopped it seems like.

    Seems like they got it under control and they have conditions that seem to be the worst for doing so.
    China still has 60 million people who have been locked in their houses for a month. The missed point is that if you lose control of this, the things that have to happen to put the genie back in the bottle are not good.

    Chinese officials be like "hooray, we stopped coronavirus".

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    Originally Posted by GerbilFarmer View Post
    I don’t understand why people are still worried China has had this for months, and the death rate there has stopped it seems like.

    Seems like they got it under control and they have conditions that seem to be the worst for doing so.
    Dude, its absolutely asinine to think numbers coming from China are what's really happening. They lie about things like murder and general crime rate for example to make their country seem better. You don't think they'll lie about infection and death rate on something this?
    I absolutely hope that infection rate is leveling off as it has shown to be for the last couple weeks. But who knows what the real numbers are.

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    Originally Posted by GerbilFarmer View Post
    I don’t understand why people are still worried China has had this for months, and the death rate there has stopped it seems like.

    Seems like they got it under control and they have conditions that seem to be the worst for doing so.
    So as noted above me, China took DRASTIC measures, and they started them right around now, in terms of progression of known outbreak. This chart is quite useful. The orange line representing US cases has been shifted to the left by 46 days to align our outbreak curve with Chinas.

    If we assume the data from China was 100% accurate, the only way that we can mimic those numbers is by mass quarantine. They were welding apartments shut. We won't be doing that. They were rush building hospitals and quarantine camps. We are struggling to even test.

    The data after President Xi mandated that the virus would be under control is up to you to believe or not. The roll off is quite perfect.

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Look into Legionnaire's Disease.

    I suspect we're going to end up discovering something weird that we're doing that explains these concentrated outbreaks and ends up changing sanitation practices.

    I looked it up, interesting read. That theory makes sense, and would explain things. Right now its hard to see any patterns/correlations.
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    I feel it's the second option. This has been stateside since December/January. The spread already happened.
    Why arent hospitals overwhelmed with people dying of an unknown virus then

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    Originally Posted by Midi77 View Post
    100% agree, I think al lot of the cases were identified as the flu, although the flu tests were negative for a lot of people, no one was being actively tested until recently. The major wave was in January, schools were hit hard, blamed on the "flu".
    That is what I thought as well. Just a weird coincidence one of the worst flu months in recent memory coincides with the outbreak of a new virus with similar symptoms to the flu. My step-daughters private school, which hosts less than 200 total kids (K-8) had 50 kids out at a time one week.

    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    That's true. But we supposedly have in excess of one million test kits distributed. I would think (uhhh, hope) at this point ANYONE with flu symptoms is getting tested for it at their family doctor, etc. We, in theory, should have been seeing serious spikes in numbers over the last few days.
    lol, think we have tested like 2k people here stateside. So either they have information/data that says mass testing isn't beneficial/needed..... or the government is that incompetent. The second is a scary though when you think about it.
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    Also what difference do the tests even make?
    If someone has the symptoms we dont need a test to quarantine them, we can do it from common sense

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    idk if this was posted but we had a doctor here in BC Canada, our official health officer, who's studied and fought against SARS, h1n1, polio, and the other major viruses, but she cried on TV when giving news of coronavirus, so i think it's way more serious than anything else. never even seen a medical professional come close to being emotional



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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    Why arent hospitals overwhelmed with people dying of an unknown virus then
    Because we didn't have one small area like Wuhan get mass infected at one time. Anything stateside most likely came from traveling, and is scattered throughout the country. Plus many deaths could have been attributed to flu/pneumonia.

    Gotta be logical.... if this virus was going around all of December in China, and with all the travel in/out of there, it didn't just magically show up in the middle of February. It's been circulating around for over 2 months.
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    Originally Posted by 2RDEYE View Post
    idk if this was posted but we had a doctor here in BC Canada, our official health officer, who's studied and fought against SARS, h1n1, polio, and the other major viruses, but she cried on TV when giving news of coronavirus, so i think it's way more serious than anything else. never even seen a medical professional come close to being emotional



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    either we are ****ed, or we are not ready, which is the same thing lol
    For every one of these people, there is another on the opposite side of the spectrum who feels it's overblown.
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    Originally Posted by Benjinkan View Post
    This, for me the issue is currently there are 2 camps; The 'Its just a flu, bro' camp and the full on apocalypse mode camp. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Yes this could get bad, but the vast majority will make it through just fine. Be prepared, but don't panic.
    Everyone saying be prepared but don't panic are being accused of not taking it seriously enough.

    Thsts all trump is doing. That's all his admiration is doing.

    It's not like they're saying it doesnt exist, they're saying theres no reason to panic

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    Everyone saying be prepared but don't panic are being accused of not taking it seriously enough.

    Thsts all trump is doing. That's all his admiration is doing.

    It's not like they're saying it doesnt exist, they're saying theres no reason to panic
    honestly, the human reaction and panic to this virus is the real worry, not so much the virus itself. People are dumb, and the media does not help.
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    Because we didn't have one small area like Wuhan get mass infected at one time. Anything stateside most likely came from traveling, and is scattered throughout the country. Plus many deaths could have been attributed to flu/pneumonia.

    Gotta be logical.... if this virus was going around all of December in China, and with all the travel in/out of there, it didn't just magically show up in the middle of February. It's been circulating around for over 2 months.

    If its been here thats a good sign because nothing has been too bad in all that time.

    I haven't heard anything about out flu or pneumonia deaths being up that could be attributed to coroansvirus that wasnt diagnosed.

    So it's either been here not doing s*it or it hasn't really until now

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