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    Originally Posted by Shortfuze View Post
    I readthat people are stealing hand sanitizers and surgical masks from doctors' offices. What a new low.
    source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/peop...uomo-says.html
    I love how their response to people actually still selling masks is to force them to stop selling SO NO ONE GETS THEM LOL. Fking govt in a nutshell. Also masks don't work bro so it don't matter lol.

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    It isnt a big deal either way, it just means we should be isolating the vulnerable instead of working everyone on earth into panic and shutting life down


    This graph illustrates why governments are taking the shutdown/isolation steps we are seeing. Healthcare capacity is relatively fixed. We can increase it to some degree, but not 10x it or 100x it. The goal is to ensure that an infectious outbreak never exceeds the capacity of the healthcare system, otherwise it gets pretty bad for everyone. Hand washing and PPE certainly help, but social distancing/isolation is one of the best measures in significantly impacting the rate of spread. Letting peak infections exceed health care capacity is simply not a viable option. It’s a rock and a hard place situation, total lose lose.

    EDIT:
    The graph is an illustration. Not conclusive proof that if unprotected/unmitigated the virus will exceed health care capacity. It illustrates the mechanics of the situation. you can make your own conclusions about when you think the virus will stop spreading.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    It isnt a big deal either way, it just means we should be isolating the vulnerable instead of working everyone on earth into panic and shutting life down
    Once again, the problem with this isn't the death rate itself, it's that no country maintains the kind of hospital capacity needed to provide care to a sudden burst of the sheer number of people this is causing to need intensive care. It's a bit of a canard that there are "millions" of infections, or else we'd see a wider distribution of elderly deaths. The outbreaks seem very concentrated, although were obviously testing poorly in those areas and not at all in others, allowing other outbreaks to brew.

    The U.S., British, and now Italian governments are all being open about the real issue. Failing to slow the pace of infection means people will lose their lives due to inadequate care, even of other conditions. The relatively small number of deaths of people over 80 doesn't reflect the people in middle-age on breathing machines, the ambulances and equipment pulled out of service for disinfection, and the nurses and doctors who have to be quarantined after mistakes are made.

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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    EDIT:
    The graph is an illustration. Not conclusive proof that if unprotected/unmitigated the virus will exceed health care capacity. It illustrates the mechanics of the situation. you can make your own conclusions about when you think the virus will stop spreading.
    Seems like common sense that the more we can slow the spread, the better in terms of health care.
    If it goes across the US as fast as it did in China - we absolutely don't have the beds for it. Period.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Seems like common sense that the more we can slow the spread, the better in terms of health care.
    If it goes across the US as fast as it did in China - we absolutely don't have the beds for it. Period.
    Agreed, but the trade off is that you do incite a degree of panic and you absolutely impact the economy in a negative way. See the toilet paper shortages. You tell people to have a month or two of food on hand, they buy a years worth of TP. You tell people to shelter in place for a month, what happens to people working manual labor jobs that can’t work from home and live paycheck to paycheck? It’s some nasty calculus.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    N95 respirators work.

    If you are concerned about the best protection possible should you have to go into areas with known or possibly infected persons, then a properly-worn N95 respirator will in fact help reduce your exposure.
    Excellent, this is the kind of conclusive study I was looking for. I'll add it front page.

    Otherwise, again, I'm just done talking about masks. It's nothing personal against anyone (except the kid who called me a phaggot). I just don't want to argue about it anymore. I have better things to do with my time.
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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    It. I like the hospital that keeps the temperature high. It must be a healthy place. It. Referring to places. He even specifically says outside...the fukking body further on.

    Please examine your argument. You have tied yourself to your argument. You are not your argument man, abandon this schit.
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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post

    This graph illustrates why governments are taking the shutdown/isolation steps we are seeing. Healthcare capacity is relatively fixed. We can increase it to some degree, but not 10x it or 100x it. The goal is to ensure that an infectious outbreak never exceeds the capacity of the healthcare system, otherwise it gets pretty bad for everyone. Hand washing and PPE certainly help, but social distancing/isolation is one of the best measures in significantly impacting the rate of spread. Letting peak infections exceed health care capacity is simply not a viable option. It’s a rock and a hard place situation, total lose lose.

    EDIT:
    The graph is an illustration. Not conclusive proof that if unprotected/unmitigated the virus will exceed health care capacity. It illustrates the mechanics of the situation. you can make your own conclusions about when you think the virus will stop spreading.
    At least we can guarentee that Gmiscer and wincel won't get it then

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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    Agreed, but the trade off is that you do incite a degree of panic and you absolutely impact the economy in a negative way. See the toilet paper shortages. You tell people to have a month or two of food on hand, they buy a years worth of TP. You tell people to shelter in place for a month, what happens to people working manual labor jobs that can’t work from home and live paycheck to paycheck? It’s some nasty calculus.
    I agree, it's a bad situation either way.
    But, loss of money is better than loss of life.

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    Idk if this apply to covid19 but zinc lozenges have *clinically shown to reduce corona viruses in the throat in the early stages of presentation.

    Also didn't read thread, only OP.

    Covid19 is lung specific too.
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    Question: Why is the CDC's official number of cases lower than what other people are throwing around? They list official cases at 164, but I'm seeing people throw around 400-500?

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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    Thank you for taking the first steps towards rectifying the issue. However it is still just another example of your bias. You are not presenting the information in good faith. You leave face masks under "What doesn't help" and then present the study that disproves this statement. A good faith unbiased post would have moved the "Face mask" topic to its own section, stating "Unknown/controversial".

    This is proving the point I made above, which is that you are using this information thread to bolster your own predetermined conclusion that this whole thing is overblown. You are not moderating an unbiased fact based thread. And it needs to called out for what it is. This is the "COVID-19 is being overblown but here are the facts" thread.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Question: Why is the CDC's official number of cases lower than what other people are throwing around? They list official cases at 164, but I'm seeing people throw around 400-500?
    It was on CNN this morning that US cases last week were 89, and 400+ today.

    CNN says 470 right now.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    It was on CNN this morning that US cases last week were 89, and 400+ today.

    CNN says 470 right now.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hnk/index.html
    Maybe CDC just doesn't update their numbers and map on the weekends or something.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Maybe CDC just doesn't update their numbers and map on the weekends or something.
    CDC supposedly updates Monday through Friday at noon. Which would show CDC's cases from Thursday before 4pm.

    This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html

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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    It was on CNN this morning that US cases last week were 89, and 400+ today.

    CNN says 470 right now.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hnk/index.html
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Question: Why is the CDC's official number of cases lower than what other people are throwing around? They list official cases at 164, but I'm seeing people throw around 400-500?
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    So just random thought. China's infection rates are supposedly beginning to level off. Lets say they max around 100,000. That's less than .5% of China's entire population. Seems like that's a pretty low infection rate, no? (I understand you can't necessarily blanket it like that because there's hot zones where there was probably more person to person contact, etc, but still?)

    Edit: Guess that's not really accurate since you can't use total population assuming there's a great deal of people that obviously haven't contracted it because they simply haven't came into contact with it.

    Just derping and thinking out loud...

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So just random thought. China's infection rates are supposedly beginning to level off. Lets say they max around 100,000. That's less than .5% of China's entire population. Seems like that's a pretty low infection rate, no? (I understand you can't necessarily blanket it like that because there's hot zones where there was probably more person to person contact, etc, but still?)

    Edit: Guess that's not really accurate since you can't use total population assuming there's a great deal of people that obviously haven't contracted it because they simply haven't came into contact with it.

    Just derping and thinking out loud...
    1st, it's China, authoritarian regime. Who knows what the numbers are. I'd much rather extrapolate from data from European countries
    2nd, they used drastic and fascist-like measures to curb the spread and it looks like it's working. Doubt western countries would use the same measures
    3rd, infection rates are expressed in the R nought(r0), not population-wise

    You can expect full panic mode in the US once they actually start testing en-masse. Stock market will tank even more this week imo
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So just random thought. China's infection rates are supposedly beginning to level off. Lets say they max around 100,000. That's less than .5% of China's entire population. Seems like that's a pretty low infection rate, no? (I understand you can't necessarily blanket it like that because there's hot zones where there was probably more person to person contact, etc, but still?)

    Edit: Guess that's not really accurate since you can't use total population assuming there's a great deal of people that obviously haven't contracted it because they simply haven't came into contact with it.

    Just derping and thinking out loud...
    They are trying REALLY hard to not let it spread. If they did nothing, it would be a lot worse. Even so, it's still gotten out.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So just random thought. China's infection rates are supposedly beginning to level off. Lets say they max around 100,000. That's less than .5% of China's entire population. Seems like that's a pretty low infection rate, no? (I understand you can't necessarily blanket it like that because there's hot zones where there was probably more person to person contact, etc, but still?)

    Edit: Guess that's not really accurate since you can't use total population assuming there's a great deal of people that obviously haven't contracted it because they simply haven't came into contact with it.

    Just derping and thinking out loud...
    I don't trust China's reporting. Just seems odd that the infection rate there has dropped off so much.

    But....let's hope it's the case
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    So Italy full of really old people or what.

    133 in one day is pretty significant.


    The number of people to have died from the coronavirus in Italy has shot up by 133 in a day to 366, officials say.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619

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    Originally Posted by Carbonfibre View Post
    So Italy full of really old people or what.

    133 in one day is pretty significant.


    The number of people to have died from the coronavirus in Italy has shot up by 133 in a day to 366, officials say.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619
    Italy has the 2nd oldest population in the world, only behind Japan

    What's weird is Germany is right behind them on age but no deaths despite more than 1k infected

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    Originally Posted by cromofo View Post
    Italy has the 2nd oldest population in the world, only behind Japan

    What's weird is Germany is right behind them on age but no deaths despite more than 1k infected

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    SKorea has the same amount of cases and much less deaths too. Could be that this hit Italy in a bad spots.
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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    SKorea has the same amount of cases and much less deaths too. Could be that this hit Italy in a bad spots.
    Yeah Italy fuked up because it spread in a hospital like wildfire.

    50% percent of infected are hospitalized, 10% are in ICU. Gonna be a lot more deaths
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    Over 50,000 People Have Recovered From Coronavirus Around the World, According to Johns Hopkins

    By Jenni Fink On 3/4/20 at 10:45 AM EST
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    Originally Posted by cromofo View Post

    What's weird is Germany is right behind them on age but no deaths despite more than 1k infected
    Because its Germany. Supreme genetics and discipline

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    Originally Posted by maverickTT1 View Post
    Because its Germany. Supreme genetics and discipline
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    Originally Posted by Carbonfibre View Post
    So Italy full of really old people or what.

    133 in one day is pretty significant.


    The number of people to have died from the coronavirus in Italy has shot up by 133 in a day to 366, officials say.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51793619
    Doesn't everyone in Italy smoke?

    COPD is a poor prognostic factor.
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    Originally Posted by benedetto27 View Post
    Germany probably lying to avoid a recession.
    apparently its because germany and korea are testing huge amounts of people, even with light symptoms - whereas other countries (e.g. UK) wont test you unless you have really bad symptoms and have recently been to an infected area or come into contact with someone that has.

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