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    So my mother is staying with me until the virus runs its course. Thing is, she's always ****ing going out to McDonald's, or bringing containers of food that her friends make, she even brought a container of Chinese food yesterday. Does this **** stick to plastics? I don't know how to tell her how stupid she's being.

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    Originally Posted by HtotheOV View Post
    is it safe to get sushi take out?
    It's as safe as it is to order any other takeout.
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    Originally Posted by MrCarrot View Post
    The funniest thing is when people have the mask over their mouth, but not their nose. Seen loads of people walking around like that.
    I've seen someone wearing a mask and nitrile gloves.

    Said person needed to sneeze, used one hand to pull the mask down, and proceeded to sneeze into the other one.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Ars Technica compiles a list of mask data:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...-data-we-have/
    It's a good read (everybody just read it), to get to the relevant research/info:


    "...N95 equivalent mask blocked more than 95 percent of all particles
    surgical mask around 40 percent
    dental masks around 60 percent
    Cotton masks around 30 percent
    cotton handkerchiefs ranged from 2 percent (one layer) to 13 percent (four layers).

    ...t-shirts blocked about 10 percent of particles in a wide range
    sweatshirt fabric blocked 20 to 40 percent
    towels blocked around 40 percent
    scarves blocked 10 to 20 percent

    ...surgical masks reduced the detection of respiratory viruses in aerosols generated by infected people breathing or coughing in a breath-collecting machine."

    "...researchers monitored 1,441 healthcare workers in 15 Beijing hospitals to compare the rates of respiratory infections if they wore either a surgical mask or an N95 respirator during their shifts (compared to control who didn't wear masks).

    Overall, both masked groups had fewer respiratory symptoms, influenza-like illnesses, and confirmed viral infections than the control group. ...about 9 percent of non-mask wearers reported respiratory symptoms compared with about 7 percent of surgical mask wearers and 4 percent of N95 wearers."


    Then there is a section about wearing masks within a household where somebody is sick. Cliffs: If somebody in your house is sick, wearing a mask won't do sht



    Then there is this

    "In a 2015 randomized controlled trial involving 1,607 healthcare workers, researchers compared the rate of influenza-like illness in healthcare workers wearing cloth masks or medical masks to those in a control group (which sometimes used masks). Wearing cloth masks resulted in significantly higher rates of infection, the authors found. They also noted that in their test, the cloth masks were only 3 percent effective at blocking particles."





    As for us general public idiots not being able to use gear while the pros can:

    "In yet another study from last year, researchers in Chicago observed healthcare workers taking off their person protective equipment (masks, gloves, gowns, etc)—the removal is called doffing. This is a time when healthcare workers can easily self-contaminate by taking gear off incorrectly. The researchers found that healthcare workers incorrectly removed their protective gear 90 percent of the time."
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    As for us general public idiots not being able to use gear while the pros can:

    "In yet another study from last year, researchers in Chicago observed healthcare workers taking off their person protective equipment (masks, gloves, gowns, etc)—the removal is called doffing. This is a time when healthcare workers can easily self-contaminate by taking gear off incorrectly. The researchers found that healthcare workers incorrectly removed their protective gear 90 percent of the time."
    WTH, I thought they would periodic re-training for this?

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    Originally Posted by Anachron View Post
    WTH, I thought they would periodic re-training for this?
    Yeah and I would expect not to have on the order of a quarter million deaths in the US annually due to medical mistakes.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Yeah and I would expect not to have on the order of a quarter million deaths in the US annually due to medical mistakes.
    Touche.

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    Originally Posted by KramericaInd View Post
    So my mother is staying with me until the virus runs its course. Thing is, she's always ****ing going out to McDonald's, or bringing containers of food that her friends make, she even brought a container of Chinese food yesterday. Does this **** stick to plastics? I don't know how to tell her how stupid she's being.
    It's fine to order takeout. Don't eat it in the original plastic containers though. Wash hands, transfer to your own dining plates, toss takeout containers, wash hands again, microwave food, wash hands again, eat.

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    Originally Posted by KramericaInd View Post
    So my mother is staying with me until the virus runs its course. Thing is, she's always ****ing going out to McDonald's, or bringing containers of food that her friends make, she even brought a container of Chinese food yesterday. Does this **** stick to plastics? I don't know how to tell her how stupid she's being.
    Grow a pair and tell her like you said it on here minus any insulting parts. No need to call her or her actions stupid. Can be done with nicer words

    Have a talk with her. I had to tell my parents weeks ago to stop inviting people over and to stop going to weddings and gatherings. They didn’t like it but now that **** is everywhere they appreciate I tried telling them back then.
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    Originally Posted by Bcl2 View Post
    It's fine to order takeout. Don't eat it in the original plastic containers though. Wash hands, transfer to your own dining plates, toss takeout containers, wash hands again, microwave food, wash hands again, eat.
    That would be a good way to do it
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    Originally Posted by Bcl2 View Post
    It's fine to order takeout. Don't eat it in the original plastic containers though. Wash hands, transfer to your own dining plates, toss takeout containers, wash hands again, microwave food, wash hands again, eat.
    That's what I've been doing. After washing hands I empty the containers either by tipping the contents on to a plate, or using tongs. Then wash hands again before eating! Assume the outside of the containers are contaminated

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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Found this worth sharing, though it is unverified:



    This plus what I found about COVID patients having overall worse outcomes coming off a vent might be playing into the story.

    I've also read accounts of MDs talking about not wanting to admit patients that "don't need a vent yet" and of people being sent home with oxygen.

    The drug combo (though not backed by a study yet) seems to at least have an overall positive rep with doctors:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ve-therapy-do/

    *Maybe* there will be a fair number of people sent home with drugs/supplements, oxygen, and instructions to use pillows to lie in bed on their stomachs.

    I'm still wondering what is up with the ferritin/hemoglobin/iron thing and w/zinc and this virus.

    I've read that the symptomology looks a lot like altitude sickness:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/researc...ation/32226695

    HCQ is being pushed because of how it acts on zinc.

    I believe that quercetin is supposed to operate the same way on zinc, maybe without the worrisome side effects.

    https://www.rightnowmn.org/combating..._and_quercetin
    saw a video from an er doc in Ny
    Said the ventilators were hurting the patients more than helping
    Said they need to find another way of treating

    Said he’s seeing patients with hypoxia, like someone dropped them off at the top of a mountain and they aren’t getting the oxygen they need
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    I keep seeing repeated that you should hang your shoulders in a face-down decline position periodically... My question: is the goal of this to drain snot from your lungs and cough it out? Or is there some other effect it has?

    Also why TF aren't hospitals handing out the malaria drugs like tic-tacs at this point?
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    Wal-Mart is a bad example to use in Shanghai, tbh. They were closing Wal-Marts in China due to lack of business before any of this happened.

    Even Auchan would be a better one to use.
    Yeah, but I think it's a fair concern.

    Once people lack confidence, they are hesitant to spend because cash is king and they are afraid they'll need savings again soon. It's like somebody who's been using the same light switch for twenty years, get badly shocked, then is supposed to go back to using the switch. They're going to think twice if they aren't convinced it's been fixed.

    I know since I can't be dining out and stock are cheap, I've ramped up my savings rate, and that's me, as somebody who has a steady job. People who were genuinely afraid of losing their homes or of being forced into bankruptcy are surely going to be far more traumatized.

    Originally Posted by HMFIC_BROWSIN View Post
    Also why TF aren't hospitals handing out the malaria drugs like tic-tacs at this point?
    There aren't that many malaria drugs to hand out.
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    Originally Posted by HMFIC_BROWSIN View Post
    I keep seeing repeated that you should hang your shoulders in a face-down decline position periodically... My question: is the goal of this to drain snot from your lungs and cough it out? Or is there some other effect it has?

    Also why TF aren't hospitals handing out the malaria drugs like tic-tacs at this point?
    Positioning sounds like proning. Through a multitude of mechanisms, not limited to just improved airway secretion clearance, prone positioning achieves better ventilation/perfusion parameters.

    Those anti-malaria drugs are still in short supply. They're being on sick, hospitalized patients, but anecdotally, I'm hearing disappointing results. However, that's anecdote, and we're awaiting on results from the randomized controlled trials that are ongoing.
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    Originally Posted by MakeABanana View Post
    Positioning sounds like proning. Through a multitude of mechanisms, not limited to just improved airway secretion clearance, prone positioning achieves better ventilation/perfusion parameters.

    Those anti-malaria drugs are still in short supply. They're being on sick, hospitalized patients, but anecdotally, I'm hearing disappointing results. However, that's anecdote, and we're awaiting on results from the randomized controlled trials that are ongoing.
    yeah, hearing it’s not as effective on the extreme sick, treatment is more effectively early (what i read)



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    It's fine to order takeout. Don't eat it in the original plastic containers though. Wash hands, transfer to your own dining plates, toss takeout containers, wash hands again, microwave food, wash hands again, eat.
    This is a good advice but when you live with other people and ask them to do the same they respond with “you are being way too paranoid” fuking idiots smh

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    This is a good advice but when you live with other people and ask them to do the same they respond with “you are being way too paranoid” fuking idiots smh
    This is one of those many instances where "they're right until they're wrong", and I've been trying to stress the importance to my friends and family that the consequences of being wrong are devastating even if one does ultimately contract and then recover from it.
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    NY reporting less deaths? Anyone have info on this? Looks like yesterday was the worst day so far..
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    Everybody: Stop getting hung up on or attributing possible changes to one single day's info especially on the weekend

    It's like we go through this every single weekend.

    As with most things in life, IMO/IME, it's about threes. One incident or example or data point, could easily be totally random and meaningless, luck or unluck. Two, okay, there might be something there additional scrutiny is called for, could just be coincidence or really good/bad luck. Three, okay now that's possibly a pattern or trend.

    Don't even bother with single data point single day changes already, Please. And for the love of god even if numbers dip for two days, don't declare anything as a result, you'll probably just turn into a copy pasta of idiocy sooner rather than later
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    WTH, I thought they would periodic re-training for this?
    LOL no. There are usually pages posted around clearly illustrating how to though...that being said, there is a lot of sloppiness
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    Every weekend we go through the saaame thing with infected numbers and deaths looking lower, then during the week right back up again.

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    5 days to get the result? isnt this sh!t supposed to come with a full report in like 5 or 15 mins?

    where he doing all the testing?? amish county ?
    5-7 days. Rural Alaska.

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    FYI: The OP was finally edited this morning.

    Also, if you're interested and haven't seen, OP has another thread asking where he can buy N95 masks
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Everybody: Stop getting hung up on or attributing possible changes to one single day's info especially on the weekend

    It's like we go through this every single weekend.

    As with most things in life, IMO/IME, it's about threes. One incident or example or data point, could easily be totally random and meaningless, luck or unluck. Two, okay, there might be something there additional scrutiny is called for. Three, okay now that's possibly a pattern or trend.

    Don't even bother with single data point single day changes already, Please. And for the love of god even if numbers dip for two days, don't declare anything as a result, you'll probably just turn into a copy pasta of idiocy sooner rather than later
    If you're referring to the hospitalization numbers being far less than the projected, that's been the case the entire time. Even in worst hit New York it's just not there and they still have the capacity to transfer patients and be under capacity for all hospitals ... and that same prominent model used by Trump's advisers has New York nearing their peak(projected in 4 more days).

    The math and variables they've used to project hospitalization is without question off and overestimates it by a factor of 4+ for all beds needed and by a factor of ~3 for ICU beds needed.

    It's all about costs and benefits. Do the benefits of the shutdown outweigh the costs? I was leaning towards yes and now with new info on how things are unfolding on both ends, I'm now leaning more and more towards no. People like our parents and other older and at-risk Americans will still need to be protected but the general public and all business should be getting back to normal sooner rather than later. After a few more weeks of flattening the curve to lessen that initial spike, most government restrictions should either be removed by government themselves ... or alternatively if that doesn't happen, ignored and resisted by the people and business.

    Trump is going to understand this all more and more over the coming days so it shouldn't be a problem.
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    NY reporting less deaths? Anyone have info on this? Looks like yesterday was the worst day so far..
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    A good visual representation of the IHME Murray model vs actual beds

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    They are now saying the virus might be airborne. Can anyone confirm? If so we are fukked.

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