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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    We were literally discussing this:
    Same argument stands accurate for just about any other non commie county on the planet too...

    Free people don't jut stop doing what they want. Period.

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Everybody is at risk. Even if you say <20 is not, basically every adult is at risk.

    Now, increased risk, due to "underlying condition", 2/3 of American adults. Yes let's just politely ask 2/3 of the country to self quarantine while the rest do whatever. That will sooo work lol
    Will you stop with your lying and fearmongering? Everybody is absolutely not at risk from this. Kids aren't at risk. Adolescents aren't at risk. Healthy adults are not at risk either.

    Just look at the data ffs.
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    Over the last two decades, the world experienced three outbreaks of coronaviruses with elevated morbidity rates. Currently, the global community is facing emerging virus SARS-CoV-2 belonging to Betacoronavirus, which appears to be more transmissible but less deadly than SARS-CoV. The current study aimed to track the evolutionary ancestors and different evolutionary strategies that were genetically adapted by SARS-CoV-2. Our whole-genome analysis revealed that SARS-CoV-2 was the descendant of Bat SARS/SARS-like CoVs and bats served as a natural reservoir. SARS-CoV-2 used mutations and recombination as crucial strategies in different genomic regions including the envelop, membrane, nucleocapsid, and spike glycoproteins to become a novel infectious agent. We confirmed that mutations in different genomic regions of SARS-CoV-2 have specific influence on virus reproductive adaptability, allowing for genotype adjustment and adaptations in rapidly changing environments. Moreover, for the first time we identified nine putative recombination patterns in SARS-CoV-2, which encompass spike glycoprotein, RdRp, helicase and ORF3a. Six recombination regions were spotted in the S gene and are undoubtedly important for evolutionary survival, meanwhile this permitted the virus to modify superficial antigenicity to find a way from immune reconnaissance in animals and adapt to a human host. With these combined natural selected strategies, SARS-CoV-2 emerged as a novel virus in human society.
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    The recent outbreak of a new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) in Wuhan, China, underscores the need for understanding the evolutionary processes that drive the emergence and adaptation of zoonotic viruses in humans. Here, we show that recombination in betacoronaviruses, including human-infecting viruses like SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, frequently encompasses the Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) in the Spike gene. We find that this common process likely led to a recombination event at least 11 years ago in an ancestor of the SARS-CoV-2 involving the RBD. As a result of this recombination event, SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 share a similar genotype in RBD, including two insertions (positions 432-436 and 460-472), and alleles 427N and 436Y. Both 427N and 436Y belong to a helix that interacts with the human ACE2 receptor. Ancestral state analyses revealed that SARS-CoV-2 differentiated from its most recent common ancestor with RaTG13 by accumulating a significant number of amino acid changes in the RBD. In sum, we propose a two-hit scenario in the emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus whereby the SARS-CoV-2 ancestors in bats first acquired genetic characteristics of SARS-CoV by incorporation of a SARS-like RBD through recombination before 2009, and subsequently, the lineage that led to SARS-CoV-2 accumulated further, unique changes specifically in the RBD.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    As I told you before, its age AND UNDERLYING CONDITIONS.

    The hospitalization rate of people under 60 and no underlying conditions is very low and they have better outcomes even in severe cases.

    Those cases will not overrun the hospital.
    He just told you what the percent of people under 44 are hospitalized. 20%

    It ain't just the old people. Hospitals are already getting dangerously low in supplies.
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    Originally Posted by Kirra View Post
    Will you stop with your lying and fearmongering? Everybody is absolutely not at risk from this. Kids aren't at risk. Adolescents aren't at risk. Healthy adults are not at risk either.

    Just look at the data ffs.
    Yes. They are.

    There are degrees of risk obviously, as we all know and as I have said. And, also as I said, in the post you JUST quoted, you might say <20 is not at risk (even though there are outliers like the 12 year old locally in ICU and a couple <20 who have died worldwide).

    2/3 of American adults likely have an 'underlying medical condition' so, yeah, there is a degree of risk to a lot of people.
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    Originally Posted by BetaAsPhuck View Post
    Even the most selfish "just let the old die", can see that it might be them in that place one day.
    apparently not judging by some of the replies in this thread

    people will stop giving a chit about "muh economy" when their loved ones keep dying left and right because hospitals are overcrowded from a disease we still do not have under control

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Yes. They are.

    There are degrees of risk obviously, as we all know and as I have said. And, also as I said, in the post you JUST quoted, you might say <20 is not at risk (even though there are outliers like the 12 year old locally in ICU and a couple <20 who have died worldwide).

    2/3 of American adults likely have an 'underlying medical condition' so, yeah, there is a degree of risk to a lot of people.

    What we want to know is if there is a statistically significant elevation in risk for these groups. The common flu also puts all its hosts at some degree of risk. No-one is 100% safe from any sort of infection and it's absurd to claim otherwise.


    You know what we are really asking, so let's see the evidence with respect to what I italicised.

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    What we want to know is if there is a statistically significant elevation in risk for these groups. The common flu also puts all its hosts at some degree of risk. No-one is 100% safe from any sort of infection and it's absurd to claim otherwise.


    You know what we are really asking, so let's see the evidence with respect to what I italicised.
    You're...questioning whether underlying medical conditions is an elevated risk?

    You srs? lol
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    How is China managing? From 23rd jan to about last week - let’s say 15th march. That’s about 7 weeks or so?
    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    We don't know and we'll probably never know.

    Hospital refuses to admit #CCPVirus patient as they want to keep "zero new case" record. Upset family starts a fight with staff, on Mar. 23, Not sure which hospital.
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    So more and more agencies are saying the'ye going to stop responding to petty calls, yet they're going to arrest people and put them in jail for being out in public. Right.
    I'm sure there's nothing more an LEO would rather do than come into contact with someone who might be infected because they committed the crime of being out and about.
    “Hosts of at least 2 Jewish weddings arrested in Lakewood, NJ, for violating coronavirus rules”

    Eliyohu Zaks, 49, and Shaul Kuperwasser, 43, were arrested Friday and charged with “maintaining a nuisance” after hosting weddings of more than 50 people in their homes, according to local news reports.

    “The Lakewood Police is asking that its citizens be responsible and obey the directives set forth by the State of New Jersey for the safety and health of all,” Lakewood’s police department said in a statement. “Those that choose not to will be subject to criminal prosecution.”
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    You're...questioning whether underlying medical conditions is an elevated risk?

    You srs? lol
    No, what we want to know is if we took the same individual, otherwise young and healthy, or group of individuals, does the COVID pose any statistically significant risk to ones health beyond a garden variety of flu virus.

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    Texas LT Gov is an idiot

    This is the definition of selfish, greed, negligence.

    Basically the rich cronies in texas are losing money and want their slaves to continue to work to bring them in money. So they want to open up the economy despite the deadly risks

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    No, what we want to know is if we took the same individual, otherwise young and healthy, or group of individuals, does the COVID pose any statistically significant risk to ones health beyond a garden variety of flu virus.
    You'll probably have to wait ~1 year to get the peer reviewed hindsight research paper if you want that degree of certainty, especially since that ~1/3 of the US adult population isn't where most of the attention is going right now
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    Texas LT Gov is an idiot

    This is the definition of selfish, greed, negligence.

    Basically the rich cronies in texas are losing money and want their slaves to continue to work to bring them in money. So they want to open up the economy despite the deadly risks

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/polit...nes/index.html
    "Let's be smart about it and those of us who are 70+, we'll take care of ourselves. But don't sacrifice the country.""

    Of course, as a rich, famous, or politician, he'll be guaranteed the best care no matter what.
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    Texas Lt. Gov. Urges Old People To Sacrifice Themselves To Save Economy Amid Coronavirus

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...avirus-economy

    The lieutenant governor asserted that grandparents have a “choice” to make in the face of “total collapse” in the economy.

    “We all want to live. We all want to live with our grandchildren as long as we can,” he said. “But the point is our biggest gift we give to our country and our children and our grandchildren is the legacy of our country, and right now, that is at risk.”

    legacy of a country who is willing to let the people who worked for it all their lives die because muh economy

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    "Let's be smart about it and those of us who are 70+, we'll take care of ourselves. But don't sacrifice the country.""

    Of course, as a rich, famous, or politician, he'll be guaranteed the best care no matter what.
    The country consists of stock market indexes and not American families, apparently.

    Besides, there's no statewide lockdown in Texas. I was told all the rural folks are self-sufficient and don't need big city tax dollars. What's this old fart's problem?
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    Originally Posted by dondadas View Post
    Texas Lt. Gov. Urges Old People To Sacrifice Themselves To Save Economy Amid Coronavirus

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...avirus-economy




    praise our new lord an savior... the economy, may it let our politicians sell even more of our country to the CCP, can i get an amen?
    How old is this fuk? When he catches this chit, he better be the first to rip off his ventilator and give it to some zoomer.
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    How old is this fuk? When he catches this chit, he better be the first to rip off his ventilator and give it to some zoomer.

    69 years old with the best health care you can get, paid for by the people who should sacrifice themselves, so he can sell off more of his country to the chinese or other foreigners

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Locking people up in jail with covid-19 patients is probably a pretty effective threat

    hahaha, come to think about it, youre right
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    Originally Posted by MEDITATE View Post
    looks like we have another touchdown..... buckle up boys

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-hantav...odents-1493924
    Rarely passed human to human. Stop the further fear mongering. This literally wouldn't have even made the news if not for COVID-19 one everyones radar...

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    Originally Posted by MEDITATE View Post
    looks like we have another touchdown..... buckle up boys

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-hantav...odents-1493924

    The CDC states that hantaviruses in the U.S. cannot be passed from person to person, while rare instances of human-to-human transmission have been documented in Chile and Argentina in people who have had close contact with those sick with the Andes virus.

    let's deal with our more pressing issue

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    I've been doom and gloom crew since early January. So hopefully my optimism carries some weight here.

    Pretend for a moment that no one has ever said "70% of the population will get this infection" Also forget that the expectation is it takes 60-70% of a population to acquire complete immunity before the virus will burn out.

    Lets just look at the DATA from italy. The Y axis is number of cases. This is restricted to these 4 cities. With shading per city.



    What lockdowns are doing is attempting to reduce the number of transmissions. Transmissions take time to become symptomatic cases. This data is showing when people became symptomatic.

    So then lets overlay the time lag from transmission (contagion event) to symptom onset.



    Here are the italy lockdown dates: https://www.axios.com/italy-coronavi...897494dc6.html


    March 4: Schools and universities are closed (3,089 cases).
    March 8: Several northern provinces are placed under lockdown (7,375 cases).
    March 9: The lockdown is extended nationwide (9,172 cases)

    If you look at the second graph, Italy locked down well after the contagion event had peaked. This data is showing us that the virus was beginning to slow its spread in those cities, BEFORE social distancing was implemented. I do not have the answer why. It does not appear that the reason is that 70% of the entire city was infected. Maybe more like 50%, with half of those people being asymptomatic. This is still a problem for NYC, and it still means hospitals would be overrun for a period of time. But it's a way different picture than I've seen painted so far.
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    So how many of y'all are still going to the gym? Mine is closed but apparently will open on the 1st. Not sure if I wanna go, but I'm losing my mind sitting at home
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    So how many of y'all are still going to the gym? Mine is closed but apparently will open on the 1st. Not sure if I wanna go, but I'm losing my mind sitting at home
    Whereabouts in NY are you?

    Most likely your gym will not be opening on the 1st. NYC is not expected to peak until mid to late April and I imagine that will effect the entire state of NY

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    who masslikes trump’s twitter posts? i saw that tweet about the cure being worse than the virus it had like 300k likes. has to be either the russians/chinese or trump himself.

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    Yes. They are.

    There are degrees of risk obviously, as we all know and as I have said. And, also as I said, in the post you JUST quoted, you might say <20 is not at risk (even though there are outliers like the 12 year old locally in ICU and a couple <20 who have died worldwide).

    2/3 of American adults likely have an 'underlying medical condition' so, yeah, there is a degree of risk to a lot of people.
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    Originally Posted by Witrebel View Post
    If you look at the second graph, Italy locked down well after the contagion event had peaked. This data is showing us that the virus was beginning to slow its spread in those cities, BEFORE social distancing was implemented. I do not have the answer why. It does not appear that the reason is that 70% of the entire city was infected. Maybe more like 50%, with half of those people being asymptomatic. This is still a problem for NYC, and it still means hospitals would be overrun for a period of time. But it's a way different picture than I've seen painted so far.
    it isnt THAT contagious. i tried to tell you off top but you dont wanna listen. if you are fukkin laying in the same bed with the person every single night, breathin up all they air, the rate is like 85%.

    no fukkin shiit 70% wasnt infected. those numbers were never remotely based in any reality. i said you would have to have naked orgies to get these rates.

    the wuhan data was always legit and corroborated by lombardy.

    the rate increases (case and death) could soley be attributed to population densities, sociocultural activities, comorbidities and population age.

    this idea that the infection rate was only capped by the actual number of people was never grounded in anything empirical.

    96 million cases in the US my ass
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    https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/corona...17-days-later/

    Coronavirus found on Diamond Princess surfaces 17 days later

    Coronavirus stays on surfaces far longer than first thought — with traces found in cabins on the stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship 17 days after they were abandoned, according to alarming new research.

    The potentially deadly bug was previously understood to live two to three days on some surfaces — but the new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it lasts more than five times as long.

    The coronavirus “was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted,” according to the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

    However, the report stressed that the research “cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces” and whether the traces were active enough to get anyone sick.

    The alarming discovery came in a study of the bug’s terrifying spread in cruise ships, with the CDC calling for further study of the vessels.

    “During the initial stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Diamond Princess was the setting of the largest outbreak outside mainland China,” the CDC report noted.

    More than 700 of the ship’s 3,700 passengers and crew later tested positive for the coronavirus, the study says.

    Along with its sister ship, the Grand Princess — also owned by Carnival Corporation — there were a total of 10 deaths, the report says.

    Passengers returning from cruises have also been linked to cases “in at least 15 states,” with reports of “secondary community-acquired cases linked to returned passengers on cruises,” according to the study.

    “Cruise ships are often settings for outbreaks of infectious diseases because of their closed environment, contact between travelers from many countries, and crew transfers between ships,” the report warned.
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    Time to post some sources or stop lying boyo
    What do you want a source for?

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