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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    isnt NY full of italians?
    Maybe in the early 1900s when Italians made the majority of immigrants from the late 1800s and early 1900s. I read somewhere that Chinatown has eaten up most of Little Italy and even the other smaller ethnicities are competing with it.

    Even back then new york was a melting pot of immigrants. Italians, Irish, English, Germans, Jews. Hence "New" York.
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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    Yep, it crazy. LA had a case long before Ny, but is in the 500s, while NY is over 12k.
    That's because it's warm in LA.... Why TF don't people realize this? You all keep drawing conclusions on other factors when the climate range continues to stare us in the face. This thing explodes between 3°c-15°c, aka most of the Midwest USA rn. As many correlations as there are for different areas, climate continuously reigns supreme.

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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    I missed the last presser. Did he actually insinuate such a thing?
    No. People are being ****ing stupid.
    He literally said he doesn't think we have to choose between fighting the virus and getting our economy back. We can do both at the same time.

    There's no telling what kind of info/data/possible treatments he has knowledge of behind closed doors that us peasants don't know about yet. Trump is gonna Trump, but I have a hard time believing if every doctor he's working with is saying this is a bad idea, he's going to flat the fk out ignore it. He has to know something to genuinely believe that we can do both efficiently at the same time.

    We frankly don't have a choice. If you really want to see chaos that will make this virus look like a walk in the park, continue with the economic downward spiral we're on and let half the country have to go bankrupt and lose everything they own. NO ONE has faith that the government is going to help them or the businesses they work for. The owners know it and the employees know it.

    You don't simply tell the people of the most free country in the world to stop their lives for weeks on end. Period. What, they're going to sit out on the streets and shoot thousands of non infected, innocent Americans because muh quarantine? Because that's the only way you enforce such a thing if you want anyone to take it seriously.
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    Originally Posted by dondadas View Post
    if you get sick go to your overcrowded hospital, good luck
    he didn't have to insinuate anything because

    overcrowded hospitals in italy, don't treat people 60+ years old
    overcrowded hospitals in spain, don't treat people 65+ years old
    overcrowded hospitals in the us, don't treat people ?+ years old
    hell, hospitals in china don't even take any new covid19 cases





    wasn't awair the virus ignores people who have 100-200k saved

    Huh..... i was answering your
    imagine working your whole life, probably a job you didn't even like that much or got sick of but powered through, finally you reach your retirement age after everything in your body aches and you are so tired and now the president comes on and says "tough luck", your retirement is now a very likely chance of deat
    if they have saved on money...they couldnt care less what anyone say...as they would be living at their own remote cabin in kodiak alaska
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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    Wait, do you believe that the treatment for coronavirus is about $180k shot directly into the bloodstream?
    Nop... i believe thst Isolation in a far away hut on top of a mountain is
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    Originally Posted by 2RDEYE View Post
    i hate the facetime stuff. everything's changed to facetime. doctors, counselors, i think maybe even job interviews... i'm supposed to check in every 2 weeks to see a psychiatrist and counselor cause of my brain injury and they switched to facetime and i said no thanks lol i'm not doin that facetime crap
    It's better than nothing, brah.

    You obviously need support, so please do it.

    Especially when we are going through a low period of social interaction (which is very important for mental health).
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    Originally Posted by dondadas View Post
    imagine working your whole life, probably a job you didn't even like that much or got sick of but powered through, finally you reach your retirement age after everything in your body aches and you are so tired and now the president comes on and says "tough luck", your retirement is now a very likely chance of death

    this is how you destroy the worth of work, and nationalism because in the end your country is willing to let you die after all you did to be a good hard working citizen

    i was one team trump right until the last briefing but if they are truly willing to let the elderly and sick die from this than phuck him and the escalator he rode in on
    I mean what about all the young people who's lives will be ruined if the economy dies? If I had to fuk over one group it would be the elderly who got their chance at life rather than destroying dreams of younger generations.

    The bottom line is trump not anyone is saying to just let it burn.

    We can keep old people quarantined.

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    Originally Posted by ss367 View Post
    Yep. It's the new "It's just a flu, bro." Like some other miscer said.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    No. People are being ****ing stupid.
    He literally said he doesn't think we have to choose between fighting the virus and getting our economy back. We can do both at the same time.

    There's no telling what kind of info/data/possible treatments he has knowledge of behind closed doors that us peasants don't know about yet. Trump is gonna Trump, but I have a hard time believing if every doctor he's working with is saying this is a bad idea, he's going to flat the fk out ignore it. He has to know something to genuinely believe that we can do both efficiently at the same time.

    We frankly don't have a choice. If you really want to see chaos that will make this virus look like a walk in the park, continue with the economic downward spiral we're on and let half the country have to go bankrupt and lose everything they own. NO ONE has faith that the government is going to help them or the businesses they work for. The owners know it and the employees know it.

    You don't simply tell the people of the most free country in the world to stop their lives for weeks on end. Period. What, they're going to sit out on the streets and shoot thousands of non infected, innocent Americans because muh quarantine? Because that's the only way you enforce such a thing if you want anyone to take it seriously.
    Good post.

    I think the medical professionals are telling him lockdown is necessary. However, medical experts dont kno dik about the economy so to blindly do that is wrong.

    Trump is correct about the need to balance the need to keep our economy alive. The same people claiming we must sacrifice the economy will blame him the economy later after the fact.

    People will not accept this for much longer. We deserve to live our lives.

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    I mean what about all the young people who's lives will be ruined if the economy dies? If I had to fuk over one group it would be the elderly who got their chance at life rather than destroying dreams of younger generations.

    The bottom line is trump not anyone is saying to just let it burn.

    We can keep old people quarantined.
    Did you just ignore my previous replies to you, or are you trolling...

    It's not just the elderly that require hospitalization to recover. How many times does the news and the CDC need to say that for you to understand?!


    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1600569391


    Here is a newspaper article.

    Despite your callous disregard for the people 70+, it is not just people 70+ who are being hospitalized...

    New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.


    In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/h...ng-people.html


    Unless you think it's a conspiracy, and the CDC are lying about millennials needed to be put on ventilators to breathe?

    Should we let them die? Because they only recover with the aid of hospitalization (meaning ventilators, and medical staff who monitor their needs).

    When a medical system is overwhelmed, they have to turn people or take them off ventilators to prioritize people, which is exactly what is happening in Spain and Italy.

    Please look into the amount of ventiliators/beds per captia in your country, and compare it to Italy and Spain.

    Have you done any research?
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    Originally Posted by BetaAsPhuck View Post
    Did you just ignore my previous replies to you, or are you trolling...

    It's not just the elderly that require hospitalization to recover. How many times does the news and the CDC need to say that for you to understand?!


    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1600569391


    Here is a newspaper article.

    Despite your callous disregard for the people 70+, it is not just people 70+ who are being hospitalized...

    New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.


    In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/h...ng-people.html


    Unless you think it's a conspiracy, and the CDC are lying about millennials needed to be put on ventilators to breathe?

    Should we let them die? Because they only recover with the aid of hospitalization (meaning ventilators, and medical staff who monitor their needs).

    When a medical system is overwhelmed, they have to turn people or take them off ventilators to prioritize people, which is exactly what is happening in Spain and Italy.

    Please look into the amount of ventiliators/beds per captia in your country, and compare it to Italy and Spain.

    Have you done any research?
    As I told you before, its age AND UNDERLYING CONDITIONS.

    The hospitalization rate of people under 60 and no underlying conditions is very low and they have better outcomes even in severe cases.

    Those cases will not overrun the hospital.

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    Originally Posted by dondadas View Post
    imagine working your whole life, probably a job you didn't even like that much or got sick of but powered through, finally you reach your retirement age after everything in your body aches and you are so tired and now the president comes on and says "tough luck", your retirement is now a very likely chance of death

    this is how you destroy the worth of work, and nationalism because in the end your country is willing to let you die after all you did to be a good hard working citizen
    Even the most selfish "just let the old die", can see that it might be them in that place one day.

    i was one team trump right until the last briefing but if they are truly willing to let the elderly and sick die from this than phuck him and the escalator he rode in on
    Respect for not simply worshipping his personality, and judging him based on what he says and does.
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    Originally Posted by BetaAsPhuck View Post
    Even the most selfish "just let the old die", can see that it might be them in that place one day.



    Respect for not simply worshipping his personality, and judging him based on what he says and does.
    Hate trump for things he never said? He never said anything like what this dude is quoting.

    All he said is that we need to both, slow the virus and get back to the economy. And he's 100% right

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    As I told you before, its age AND UNDERLYING CONDITIONS.

    The hospitalization rate of people under 60 and no underlying conditions is very low and they have better outcomes even in severe cases.

    Those cases will not overrun the hospital.
    underlying conditions is the last stage of denial you guys have before you move onto acceptance

    look up what constitutes an underlying health condition, and the % of the population that would be considered to have it. It's not people at deaths door like you want to think....
    may god forgive me

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    Originally Posted by nestbrother View Post
    underlying conditions is the last stage of denial you guys have before you move onto acceptance

    look up what constitutes an underlying health condition, and the % of the population that would be considered to have it. It's not people at deaths door like you want to think....
    I'm fully aware of what counts, my point still stands.

    The only way forward is to have those at most risk stay quarantined but we cant keep like this for everyone for much longer because it will cause economic destruction that is not acceptable. Why is that so hard to understand.

    We have to do both.

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    I'm fully aware of what counts, my point still stands.

    The only way forward is to have those at most risk stay quarantined but we cant keep like this for everyone for much longer because it will cause economic destruction that is not acceptable. Why is that so hard to understand.

    We have to do both.

    Please stop parroting what other donkeys and idiots keeps saying about the economy..... dont be stupid and keep repeating this sh!t..... everyone i listen to they just parrot and repeat what they hear on tv that the economy will fall...its a totsl destruction ..bla bla..... why will it be a total destruction? What will happen?
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    Originally Posted by MEDITATE View Post
    Please stop parroting what other donkeys and idiots keeps saying about the economy..... dont be stupid and keep repeating this sh!t..... everyone i listen to they just parrot and repeat what they hear on tv that the economy will fall...its a totsl destruction ..bla bla..... why will it be a total destruction? What will happen?
    Well...I mean...much in the same way we can make an educated guess as to the future of the virus based on past weeks...it's not hard to make the same assessments based on the direction our economy has been headed in the last couple weeks... A national shutdown for weeks could easily result in a depression that no one in our lifetime has seen.

    And anything short of a HARD (not this "we're an "essential" business ****") national shut down is pissing in the wind as far as slowing the spread in any meaningful way. Period.

    If the average American goes without pay for 3 weeks...they're done. Unemployment is a joke. It's bankruptcy for most. The average middle class family in America is 1-2 missed paychecks away from poverty. Srs. And let's be real. Most small businesses will have massive layoffs as soon as money isn't moving for a week. It's already happening in states with shutdowns.
    Middle class isn't even middle class anymore with inflation through the ****ing sky.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    As I told you before, its age AND UNDERLYING CONDITIONS.

    The hospitalization rate of people under 60 and no underlying conditions is very low and they have better outcomes even in severe cases.

    Those cases will not overrun the hospital.
    Again, a statement based on (it seems) absolutely zero research.

    How many Americans do you think have the underlying health conditions of diabetes, asthma, etc?

    Please actually take the time to read this article...

    https://www.businessinsider.com/hype...20-3?r=US&IR=T

    Asthma...

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 1 in 13 people have asthma. More than 25 million Americans have asthma. This is 7.7 percent of adults and 8.4 percent of children.

    https://www.aafa.org/asthma-facts/

    Diabetes...

    The report finds that as of 2015, 30.3 million Americans – 9.4 percent of the U.S. population –have diabetes. ... People with diabetes are at increased risk of serious health complications including premature death, vision loss, heart disease, stroke, kidney failure, and amputation of toes, feet, or legs


    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...es-report.html

    Hypertension...

    In the United States, about 77.9 million (1 out of every 3) adults have high blood pressure.

    https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/hea...ucm_319587.pdf

    Heart Conditions...

    Nearly half of Americans have heart disease, study says
    According to the study from the American Heart Association, 121.5 million Americans, or about 48.5 percent, dealt with heart or blood vessel disease as of 2016


    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...ds/2729955002/

    The US has the highest obesity rate of any first nation too.

    Of course, they aren't all going to require hospitalization, but the US has a large population of high risk demographics, and your country doesn't have as many ventilators and medical staff as you seem to think they do...


    However, there are fewer than 100,000 ICU beds in the United States, according to a recent analysis by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.


    "The number of ventilators pretty much mirrors the number of ICU beds in this country," Myers said. "The problem is a lot of these patients are being ventilated for numerous days. Some are off in three to four days. Others are on for several weeks. That is where you get the supply-demand issue."

    The idea is to "flatten the curve" of new infections and prevent a peak of cases so large it might overwhelm hospitals. Not only do hospitals have a limited supply of ICU beds and ventilators, facilities also face challenges of keeping doctors, nurses and therapists healthy enough to care for the sick.

    "A patient needs a bed and a respirator," said Makary, of Johns Hopkins. "What folks may not appreciate is the patient also needs nursing, a respiratory therapist and good (hospital) cleaning systems. ... This is the largest workforce crisis in our generation."

    Myers, of the respiratory association, said his group's survey revealed nearly 110,000 respiratory therapists work at hospitals.


    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...ic/5032523002/


    The above article is a good read, if you genuinely want to understand why there needs to be lockdown (that is, if you genuinely care about the people of your nation, I would strongly advise reading that article).

    What you write, seems to be based on absolutely zero research. There is no shame in admitting you are wrong about this situation, pogue did it... A mod on this forum. You can too.

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    Downard death total numbers again for March 21, damn Farley told me was classic exponential growth and was only going to get way worse.
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    I'm fully aware of what counts, my point still stands.
    The only way forward is to have those at most risk stay quarantined .
    And like I've repeatedly asked (and you never answer)...

    Can you not imagine the amount of manpower and administration that would need to be set up, to specifically enforce the quarantining of people; 70+ and those with; hypertension, heart conditions, diabetes, asthma, and other diseases. As well as pregnancy.

    Not all of those conditions can be identified just through sight, so police and military (and private security) would need to be given mass surveillance powers, and the ability to stop and question people about their medical history at will.

    Unless you can propose a different way that they can specifically target those people for isolation? Or is your solution simply to repeatedly ask them to isolate?
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    How is China managing? From 23rd jan to about last week - let’s say 15th march. That’s about 7 weeks or so?
    We don't know and we'll probably never know.
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    Originally Posted by MEDITATE View Post
    if the people dont cooperate with the police , this wont work , the only way to enforce this is by eliminating anyone who break the rules. Why shoot to kill? cause if 100 people dont abide by the rules, they get locked in , then one of those 100 is a covid carrier, infects the other 99 , operation "we fukced" is inorder .


    no way this will work if a shoot to kill doesnt gets applied, and everyone knows a shoot to kill wont work "because we freedom"

    The world should seriously brace itself for tons of fun
    Locking people up in jail with covid-19 patients is probably a pretty effective threat
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    I'm fully aware of what counts, my point still stands.

    The only way forward is to have those at most risk stay quarantined but we cant keep like this for everyone for much longer because it will cause economic destruction that is not acceptable. Why is that so hard to understand.

    We have to do both.
    Everybody is at risk. Even if you say <20 is not, basically every adult is at risk.

    Now, increased risk, due to "underlying condition", 2/3 of American adults. Yes let's just politely ask 2/3 of the country to self quarantine while the rest do whatever. That will sooo work lol
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Locking people up in jail with covid-19 patients is probably a pretty effective threat
    So more and more agencies are saying the'ye going to stop responding to petty calls, yet they're going to arrest people and put them in jail for being out in public. Right.
    I'm sure there's nothing more an LEO would rather do than come into contact with someone who might be infected because they committed the crime of being out and about.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    So more and more agencies are saying the'ye going to stop responding to petty calls, yet they're going to arrest people and put them in jail for being out in public. Right.
    Sure.

    All it takes is one or two examples and spread the news that any random person could see it enforced at any given time.

    I mean, we always talk about how when seconds count the police are minutes away (literally none available to stop a murder), but, at the same time, if you roll a stop sign you might get pulled over by the unmarked car around the corner.


    Plus in this case it seems like there is a good chance if you are committing a no-response or no-custodial-arrest crime, you are probably breaking one of the quarantine rules too lol
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Sure.

    All it takes is one or two examples and spread the news that any random person could see it enforced at any given time.

    I mean, we always talk about how when seconds count the police are minutes away (literally none available to stop a murder), but, at the same time, if you roll a stop sign you might get pulled over by the unmarked car around the corner.
    Lol, won't work. You're not going to scare an American to stay home unless you're doing it with guns and threatening their life - which isn't going to happen and the US Govt knows it.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Lol, won't work. You're not going to scare an American to stay home unless you're doing it with guns and threatening their life - which isn't going to happen and the US Govt knows it.
    Who said anything about the US? We aren't going to do a national lockdown like the UK is now. Talking about the countries that actually have these laws right now, like the UK
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    Who said anything about the US?
    Like, 90% of the thread the last several pages, but...K.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Like, 90% of the thread the last several pages, but...K.
    We were literally discussing this:

    Originally Posted by maori-rap View Post
    UK now officially on Italy style lockdown following PMs announcement.

    Can only leave house for one of four reasons; food and medicine, one daily exercise, essential travel to and from work and medical needs, like care to vulnerable people.

    Only retail-type stores set to remain open are food stores and pharmacies. No public gatherings of more than two people. Police have powers to enforce these rules...although I don't see how they'll be able to.

    Never seen anything like it in my 37 years
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Like, 90% of the thread the last several pages, but...K.
    OMG. You really want to be this much of a pedant? Follow the really short quote tree up, we quoted each other and it goes back to the post specifically about the UK. I also told you "I'm talking about the UK"

    Not everything in the world has to be about the US every second of the day (and when responding to a person talking about the UK, it's probably about the UK)
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