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    We need to help each other instead of creating division and encouraging hate.
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    Im really curious as to how many people that have died, have died of the actual virus and not something else.


    Like if a patient comes in with a mortal gunshot wound and dies and then he is tested for Covid and revealed he had that as well, are they attributing his death to the gunshot wound or that he had the virus?
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    Im really curious as to how many people that have died, have died of the actual virus and not something else.


    Like if a patient comes in with a mortal gunshot wound and dies and then he is tested for Covid and revealed he had that as well, are they attributing his death to the gunshot wound or that he had the virus?
    Did you seriously say that? You think if someone comes in with a gunshot and dies, they test for cov19 and put them down as a death?
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    Im really curious as to how many people that have died, have died of the actual virus and not something else.


    Like if a patient comes in with a mortal gunshot wound and dies and then he is tested for Covid and revealed he had that as well, are they attributing his death to the gunshot wound or that he had the virus?
    Lmao you can't be serious

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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    Did you seriously say that? You think if someone comes in with a gunshot and dies, they test for cov19 and put them down as a death?
    The denial is really alarming at this point.

    There are different reasons for it that I can sort of understand, especially people who couldn't believe it because they couldn't afford for the shutdown to happen, but at this point it's just "that can't happen in real life".

    Yeeeeeeeah.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Well, really what happened is that I was bringing some stuff in from my car, and using a luggage cart that my condo lets people borrow. I placed a few packs of water on the luggage cart then put the water right in front of my fridge. Later that night after the water was moved elsewhere, the container of icing fell on that spot. So my paranoia was that the luggage cart was contaminated, it contaminated the bottom of my water bottle package, then I contaminated the floor where the icing dropped by leaving the water there for a few minutes. Not to mention, I walk around that area quite frequently. Fridge is right near my entrance.

    I'm sure it sounds completely insane to be thinking about stuff at this level but this, to me, is exactly why the virus is so contagious. The typical person doesn't consider this type of scenario or anything even close to it.
    I thought I was over the top and paranoid. I would say there’s zero percent risk from what you described but you should wipe down any surfaces and products you bring in from the outside with alcohol/antibacterial wipes etc. I also wouldn’t be sharing any luggage.

    Keep washing your hands and utilising social distancing and look after your mental health with mindfulness and meditation

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    The denial is really alarming at this point.

    There are different reasons for it that I can sort of understand, especially people who couldn't believe it because they couldn't afford for the shutdown to happen, but at this point it's just "that can't happen in real life".

    Yeeeeeeeah.
    Why are we denying it at this point? I seriously don't understand. Do we have basement dwellers? People not affected at all? Why deny it at this point?
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    Why are we denying it at this point? I seriously don't understand. Do we have basement dwellers? People not affected at all? Why deny it at this point?
    I wondered the same thing when you were.

    Some people are just on an even more delayed timeline of acceptance

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    The amount of stupidity I've seen with public misuse of PPE the last few days makes me totally understand why the government never pushed for the public to use it. 90% of people are absolutely no better using it than not using it from what I've seen....
    Literally may as well just have it more available for our medical professionals who actually know wtf they're doing with it.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    The amount of stupidity I've seen with public misuse of PPE the last few days makes me totally understand why the government never pushed for the public to use it. 90% of people are absolutely no better using it than not using it from what I've seen....
    Literally may as well just have it more available for our medical professionals who actually know wtf they're doing with it.
    Yeah there needs to be, like, a mask 101 course. I was guilty AF before this kicked off, I wore one at the cvs minute clinic when I had my flu/strep tests for strep earlier this season and I'm sure I moved the mask to scratch my face several times while I was there, etc, nurse and PA must have been like you dumbass, still it would have stopped a lot of what I was breathing out for their benefit at least...when I wasn't ****ing with it

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Correct, most western democracies would be unwilling to do that part.

    But, we can get smart enough to wear a damn mask and stop lying to people by claiming they don't work. We can social distance better (we have a ton of special snowflakes who won't).
    agreed 100%. I think the reason for the lie was to prevent panic buying. I mean Jesus just look at what people are doing with toilet paper

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    Update: I asked one of our ICU docs, and she said 1) there is a difference in value between what’s seen in an abg vs spo2. However...2) that’s not really what she’s looking for. She said the pao2/fio2 ratio from an abg gives a much better (and more reliable) indication of the severity of ARDS. This would match with research suggesting that gas exchange in the lungs is at issue with Covid-19, and not necessarily needing the mechanical aspect of intubation. In fact, she said that putting the patient in prone position with self-breathing has so far been the best treatment option to increase oxygenation. Let me know if there are any more specific q’s and I’ll ask next time I’m on shift.
    This plus what I found about COVID patients having overall worse outcomes coming off a vent might be playing into the story.

    I've also read accounts of MDs talking about not wanting to admit patients that "don't need a vent yet" and of people being sent home with oxygen.

    The drug combo (though not backed by a study yet) seems to at least have an overall positive rep with doctors:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ve-therapy-do/

    *Maybe* there will be a fair number of people sent home with drugs/supplements, oxygen, and instructions to use pillows to lie in bed on their stomachs.

    I'm still wondering what is up with the ferritin/hemoglobin/iron thing and w/zinc and this virus.

    I've read that the symptomology looks a lot like altitude sickness:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/researc...ation/32226695

    HCQ is being pushed because of how it acts on zinc.

    I believe that quercetin is supposed to operate the same way on zinc, maybe without the worrisome side effects.

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    I wondered the same thing when you were.

    Some people are just on an even more delayed timeline of acceptance
    I was in the stage of complete denial at that point. You want to feel sorry for them but for what? It doesn’t do a thing to stop the inevitable. We have a ****ing problem man. At this point in time we might have 50,000 die in NY alone in 6 months. There is a serious problem right now. Thank the lord TN is nowhere near that. We could have a hotspot any day in Nashville with how the Governor handled it. It isn’t going away. We don’t have a vaccine and it doesn’t care about climate.
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    Co-worker fell ill about 3-4 days after we worked together. He said he had a bad sore throat, drainage, and cough and now he has a mild fever that comes and goes with chest pain, cough, and difficulty breathing. He was tested 2 days ago and won't know for another 5 days or so.

    I feel like I'm getting an itchy throat. How phucked am I brahs.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    China's retailers face hard truth: If you reopen, they won't come

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    Wal-Mart is a bad example to use in Shanghai, tbh. They were closing Wal-Marts in China due to lack of business before any of this happened.

    Even Auchan would be a better one to use.

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    Co-worker fell ill about 3-4 days after we worked together. He said he had a bad sore throat, drainage, and cough and now he has a mild fever that comes and goes with chest pain, cough, and difficulty breathing. He was tested 2 days ago and won't know for another 5 days or so.

    I feel like I'm getting an itchy throat. How phucked am I brahs.
    5 days to get the result? isnt this sh!t supposed to come with a full report in like 5 or 15 mins?

    where he doing all the testing?? amish county ?
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    The amount of stupidity I've seen with public misuse of PPE the last few days makes me totally understand why the government never pushed for the public to use it.
    The funniest thing is when people have the mask over their mouth, but not their nose. Seen loads of people walking around like that.

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    Here is what the IHME model had projected for the whole of US on 4/4/20 (yesterday) -





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    164,745 total beds needed projected






    Here is the total number of actual hospitalized COVID-19 patients on 4/4/20 (yesterday) -





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    38,402 actual total hospitalized COVID-19 patients


    164,745 - 38,402 = 126,343 less than projected

    38,402 / 164,745 x 100 = 23.3% of projected



    The IHME's daily deaths projections have been fairly accurate however.
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    I've also read accounts of MDs talking about not wanting to admit patients that "don't need a vent yet" and of people being sent home with oxygen.
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    Ya at my hospital if you sent in dire shape you're just sent home to self isolate and told to take tylenol. Beds being saved for those more high risk
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    Originally Posted by wake_me View Post
    Ya at my hospital if you sent in dire shape you're just sent home to self isolate and told to take tylenol. Beds being saved for those more high risk
    You want to hear a fkin joke, my father in law got sent home twice saying he was not bad enough despite being bed ridden and struggling to breathe. Guess what they said the 3rd time? “You brought him in too late”. He is in a coma now.

    Granted it is a ****hole country not USA

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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    164,745 total beds needed projected


    38,402 actual total hospitalized COVID-19 patients


    164,745 - 38,402 = 126,343 less than projected

    38,402 / 164,745 x 100 = 23.3% of projected



    The IHME's daily deaths projections have been fairly accurate however.
    I wonder why. Apparently China was trying to isolate people from their families as much as possible too and IMHE used their numbers for their projections. That might explain the high ratio of hospitalizations (which might be more of an isolation than actual care). The other alternative is more chilling, people not getting admitted early enough in the US.

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    Originally Posted by ss367 View Post
    You want to hear a fkin joke, my father in law got sent home twice saying he was not bad enough despite being bed ridden and struggling to breathe. Guess what they said the 3rd time? “You brought him in too late”. He is in a coma now.

    Granted it is a ****hole country not USA
    That's horrible. Sorry to hear. Hope he recovers.

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    Originally Posted by ss367 View Post
    You want to hear a fkin joke, my father in law got sent home twice saying he was not bad enough despite being bed ridden and struggling to breathe. Guess what they said the 3rd time? “You brought him in too late”. He is in a coma now.

    Granted it is a ****hole country not USA
    What country?
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    So my mother is staying with me until the virus runs its course. Thing is, she's always ****ing going out to McDonald's, or bringing containers of food that her friends make, she even brought a container of Chinese food yesterday. Does this **** stick to plastics? I don't know how to tell her how stupid she's being.
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