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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    The effects that would have on our economy and subsequently, the rest of the worlds could possibly be more catastrophic than the damage the virus could do.

    Best we can hope for with minimal damage from both ends is 2-3 week waves of shut downs, srs. (In my opinion which doesn't mean chit.)
    Fuk that i'd just shut everything down i could until May. Then in July this will probably be non existent.
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    Is anyone else seeing the Johns Hopkins tracker page do strange things lately?

    They changed the layout of the cases in each state. It used to show locations of all cases, but now it' just one dot here in MN. That's not good for people trying to get case location information.

    Also, I just logged onto it to check it out and it says the total cases around the world is at 90,000 and Italy and Iran aren't even on the chart anymore.

    It's been strange for a couple of days now.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Is anyone else seeing the Johns Hopkins tracker page do strange things lately?

    They changed the layout of the cases in each state. It used to show locations of all cases, but now it' just one dot here in MN. That's not good for people trying to get case location information.

    Also, I just logged onto it to check it out and it says the total cases around the world is at 90,000 and Italy and Iran aren't even on the chart anymore.

    It's been strange for a couple of days now.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
    I think Hopkins has messed up a few times, this site is good :

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    Britbrahs, is your government full retarded?
    I see them already raising conversation about "herd immunity" which means letting at least 60% of your people get infected this summer

    what in the actual fuk?

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    Originally Posted by kenjoshx View Post
    Britbrahs, is your government full retarded?
    I see them already raising conversation about "herd immunity" which means letting at least 60% of your people get infected this summer

    what in the actual fuk?
    Simple answer.

    Yes.

    You just need to watch this video from the Prime minister.

    Bear in mind that he proposed no travel bans, and no banning of large gatherings (e.g. Football stadiums, concerts, horseraces, etc).

    Notice how nonchalant he talks about masses of people losing family members, due to the virus.



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    Originally Posted by kenjoshx View Post
    Britbrahs, is your government full retarded?
    I see them already raising conversation about "herd immunity" which means letting at least 60% of your people get infected this summer

    what in the actual fuk?
    I'm not sure they're retarded as much as simply finally telling people the truth, which is that there is no alternative to letting this circulate. We can't all live in bunkers forever. The best that can be done is social distancing to make it as slow as possible so that those who can be saved in the ICU will be saved.

    This is an actual chart of death rates with social distancing measures and without from 1918. St. Louis reacted with a day or two of the disease appearing, closing schools, churches, theaters, limiting the number of people who could share trolley cars. Philadelphia, on the other hand, held a parade of infected soldiers.



    You can see plainly how it dragged the crisis out much longer but reduced the overall area under the curve by about half. That is saved lives, people who were able to forestall dying until herd immunity kicked in.

    Without vaccination, this is basically the only tool we have against this type of epidemic disease. It's always been wishful thinking that it would just go away. Travel bans don't matter because foreigners are no longer the primary source.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Is anyone else seeing the Johns Hopkins tracker page do strange things lately?

    They changed the layout of the cases in each state. It used to show locations of all cases, but now it' just one dot here in MN. That's not good for people trying to get case location information.

    Also, I just logged onto it to check it out and it says the total cases around the world is at 90,000 and Italy and Iran aren't even on the chart anymore.

    It's been strange for a couple of days now.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
    Their tracking map/page stopped updating right around the POTUS speech a day and a half ago. The change from counties to states was like 3 days ago.

    If you're trying to get location information under the theory that it's only out there in counties or specific cities with officially reported confirmed cases, you're already fuked

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    I'm not sure they're retarded as much as simply finally telling people the truth, which is that there is no alternative to letting this circulate. We can't all live in bunkers forever. The best that can be done is social distancing to make it as slow as possible so that those who can be saved in the ICU will be saved.

    This is an actual chart of death rates with social distancing measures and without from 1918. St. Louis reacted with a day or two of the disease appearing, closing schools, churches, theaters, limiting the number of people who could share trolley cars. Philadelphia, on the other hand, held a parade of infected soldiers.



    You can see plainly how it dragged the crisis out much longer but reduced the overall area under the curve by about half. That is saved lives, people who were able to forestall dying until herd immunity kicked in.

    Without vaccination, this is basically the only tool we have against this type of epidemic disease. It's always been wishful thinking that it would just go away. Travel bans don't matter because foreigners are no longer the primary source.
    Isn't the main difference with the Coronavirus today that it's actually not that deadly, assuming people get the right treatment in a timely manner?
    So that it's actually useful to flatten the infection curve by social distancing, which will then result in a lower death rate curve. Whereas your graph only shows the death rate for the Spanish flu (& not the infection rate), which was lethal to everyone (especially the young).

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    Originally Posted by ANumber1 View Post
    I'm not sure they're retarded as much as simply finally telling people the truth, which is that there is no alternative to letting this circulate. We can't all live in bunkers forever. The best that can be done is social distancing to make it as slow as possible so that those who can be saved in the ICU will be saved.
    That's the point I think he was making with the retarded comment.

    There have been no serious announcements to encourage social distancing by the UK government. No travel bans (They allowed fans from Madrid to attend a football match in Liverpool, despite being aware that Madrid has have over 1.5K cases, and the government have closed school in Madrid), no school closures, no university closures, and no mass gathering bans.

    Despite doing nothing to formally encourage social distancing, they shrug their shoulders and warn us about us losing family members.
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    Originally Posted by shyheimz View Post
    Isn't the main difference with the Coronavirus today that it's actually not that deadly, assuming people get the right treatment in a timely manner?
    So that it's actually useful to flatten the infection curve by social distancing, which will then result in a lower death rate curve. Whereas your graph only shows the death rate for the Spanish flu (& not the infection rate), which was lethal to everyone (especially the young).
    To quote myself - I just found this:

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    Originally Posted by shyheimz View Post
    Isn't the main difference with the Coronavirus today that it's actually not that deadly, assuming people get the right treatment in a timely manner?
    So that it's actually useful to flatten the infection curve by social distancing, which will then result in a lower death rate curve. Whereas your graph only shows the death rate for the Spanish flu (& not the infection rate), which was lethal to everyone (especially the young).
    Define not "that" deadly. It's not that deadly compared to _insert historical tens of millions dead pandemic from a century ago we all know about today". It is that deadly compared to any seasonal flu or other 'ordinary' thing we have experience with this generation (or last)

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Define not "that" deadly. It's not that deadly compared to _insert historical tens of millions dead pandemic from a century ago we all know about today". It is that deadly compared to any seasonal flu or other 'ordinary' thing we have experience with this generation (or last)
    You're right, I was just comparing the numbers with the ones ANumber1 was referring to.

    The fact is that it's here now, so we might better distance ourselves to contain the virus and lower the amount of people needing treatment. Because the death rate starts spiking once the latter start getting out of control (which is what we've seen in Italy: medical personnel need to 'choose' who to treat because there were more patients than there was medical capacity).

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    Their tracking map/page stopped updating right around the POTUS speech a day and a half ago. The change from counties to states was like 3 days ago.

    If you're trying to get location information under the theory that it's only out there in counties or specific cities with officially reported confirmed cases, you're already fuked
    I'm not trying to get information for that reason. As someone with a science background, I personally think it's already spread around the whole country and isn't as bad as it's being made out to be.

    I'm just saying something strange is going on with that site and I think it's intentional. I think it's being done to limit panic.
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    I'm just saying something strange is going on with that site and I think it's intentional. I think it's being done to limit panic.
    Agreed. It's pretty clear

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    Hearing rumors that coronavirus attacks your testes and makes you go infertile. Is that bull**** or reality? Cause that's one of my greatest fears is going infertile.
    Haven't seen anything recently but there was scuttlebutt about that maybe as a possible effect on the "mild to moderate" cases people seem unconcerned about being

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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post

    I'm just saying something strange is going on with that site and I think it's intentional. I think it's being done to limit panic.
    The amount of low testing is already mainly why no one is worried. "Only" 1800 cases doesn't seem like a big deal to most.
    But they aren't considering that literally the only people being tested are ones that are basically at the point that pneumonia is setting in. You can have all the symptoms, but if shortness of breath isn't one they refuse to test you.

    So the numbers we're seeing are only people who have it the worst IMO. And that I definitely believe is intentional to keep the official number down and panic down.

    I'm convinced we are probably on the same level of total infections as Italy most likely. Just only testing a fraction of the people they are so our official number is lower. There's zero reason to think we should have less infections than them. We literally have (had) hundreds of flights back and firth to China a month in the US. It has been there since November. Absolutely no fking way in hell it only just got prevalent here now.
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    Hearing rumors that coronavirus attacks your testes and makes you go infertile. Is that bull**** or reality? Cause that's one of my greatest fears is going infertile.
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    So I work at a hospital and they screen them when they come in for their appointment. Appointment only, we don't take people straight off the street. Anyways, a lady was questioned and said "even if I had it, I wouldn't tell you". This is the type of people we have in this country and it's why we're fuked.

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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    We literally have (had) hundreds of flights back and firth to China a month in the IS. It has been there since November. Absolutely no fking way in hell it only just got prevalent here now.
    Myself and a few others hold this belief as well. We aren't suddenly getting 200+ new infections a day....we're just discovering the existing ones. With how fast blew up in Wuhan, it had to be circulating since late November/early December. That is roughly 1.5 months of travel in and out of there all over the globe without people taking the extra caution they are now.
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    Originally Posted by shyheimz View Post
    Isn't the main difference with the Coronavirus today that it's actually not that deadly, assuming people get the proper treatment in a timely manner?
    So that it's actually useful to flatten the infection curve by social distancing, which will then result in a reduced death rate curve. Whereas your graph only shows the death rate for the Spanish flu (& not the infection rate).
    I might be missing your point, but here is some napkin math:

    The WHO report from China indicates that about 14% of people present in severe condition - very gravely ill - and 6% present in critical condition - basically, they are dying.

    The death rate estimates for all confirmed cases were around 3.4%, and China's death rate for closed cases is now 4.72%, so likely closing in on that figure. Fauci has publicly speculated that 1% might be the true death rate including undetected cases.

    1% is still ten times deadlier than the flu, and that's with extremely costly and time-consuming modern medical intervention - "proper treatment" - for that 20% who are presenting in severe-to-critical condition. Nassau County reports 40 cases with 10 in hospital and 1 in ICU, so I don't think we're seeing a radically better situation develop in the United States than the one seen in China.

    Assuming that 6% of confirmed cases present in critical condition and accepting Fauci's estimates that there are perhaps 2-2.5x as many unconfirmed cases out there that are mild, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this disease is actually comparably deadly to the Spanish Flu and that the difference is the fact that it is not 1918. ECMO, ventilators, tocilizumab, all things that were not available in 1918 when someone stopped breathing. "Intensive care" as a specialty did not develop for a few more decades. In 1918, it's reasonable to assume that nearly all of the critical cases would have died as well as some percentage of the severe cases.

    So my point is that the only tool we have in our toolbox right now seems to be to slow this down so that proper treatment remains available to the gravely ill, possibly even just to keep it down to that 1% target. Otherwise, it is plausible that a lot of people will be stuck receiving 1918 levels of care and will die for no good reason.
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    Hearing rumors that coronavirus attacks your testes and makes you go infertile. Is that bull**** or reality? Cause that's one of my greatest fears is going infertile.
    I'd see that at a silver lining tbh... #nokidscrew
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Is anyone else seeing the Johns Hopkins tracker page do strange things lately?

    They changed the layout of the cases in each state. It used to show locations of all cases, but now it' just one dot here in MN. That's not good for people trying to get case location information.

    Also, I just logged onto it to check it out and it says the total cases around the world is at 90,000 and Italy and Iran aren't even on the chart anymore.

    It's been strange for a couple of days now.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
    I think data is getting harder to get. Itlay/Spain mus tnot be reporting it anymore. I just look at my local county page and they have a breakdown of cases in my area
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    Giving you guys a heads up the US government is going to do a quarantine on all employees for 7 days that will be announced soon. Id stock up on everything if you haven't yet. The next step will be citizens.
    yep actually it will be 2 weeks.

    Have legit sources at the pentagon(family members).

    Community infection has started down here in dallas meaning people who havent even travelled outside of the city are contracting it now.

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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    Myself and a few others hold this belief as well. We aren't suddenly getting 200+ new infections a day....we're just discovering the existing ones. With how fast blew up in Wuhan, it had to be circulating since late November/early December. That is roughly 1.5 months of travel in and out of there all over the globe without people taking the extra caution they are now.
    Theres no way this is true. Wed have way more people flooding hospitals dropping dead already. It's only spreading just now

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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    It's only spreading just now
    No fking way. Srs.
    No telling how many hospitalizations there may have already been in the last few months that went unnoticed as being COVID-19 related because absolutely NO ONE was worried or thinking about it in the slightest until ~3 weeks ago.

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