Guitar Megathread II: Unleash the picking fury!!!

[bhicks3712]

this thread has been refreshingly pleasant the last 3 weeks, I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it's been a pleasure to read the last 3 weeks. maybe a new sense of positivity heading into the new year. whatever it is, let's hope it stays that way!

Negged. lol jk

Howdy....

Yes....I wrote/arranged/recorded both of those songs and I do all vocals on my originals.

Sorry if I was unclear about that.

Thanks for asking.

Nice bruh badazzz whata legend srs.

Do you have any tips on writing music

[Sil3nt1]

https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/fred...ne-tab-s541168

[Wayne Evans]

Do you have any tips on writing music

Mornin' bh....

Well....there's many approaches to song/composition writing.
As a starting point, I'll ask a few questions.

1) I take it you don't sing and prefer to play instrumentals at the gigs you play? You're just playing chords and adding some melody phrasing?
2) Do have any knowledge at all on the language of music (some basic music theory)?
3) Do you know what chords are in any given key?
4) How long have you been playing/practicing diligently?
5) How would describe your guitar playing skills as we speak? Beginner? Intermediate? Above average?
6) Do you have a computer with any music programs, recording software?
7) Have you ever written/recorded your own original piece?
8) Have you ever played with others or ever plan to?

You ask a very broad question but I'm glad to try and get you going.
I've developed my process in over 45+ years writing/recording which works well for me.
What we like to do (in this context) can be a very involved process, a rabbit hole, so to speak.

Are you ready to dive in with some serious intent?

Hope that helps and I didn't scare you off.

Back to it.

[7empest]

the delay/reverb stuff on the FM9 sounds awesome



check out @ 2:25

[Sil3nt1]

https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/beet...-tab-s382321t0

[pengh]

This past 8 months i've been dedicated to learning guitar (mostly acoustic). I've been playing bass for 12 years. I know my functional harmony better than most.

I tune the guitar in all 4ths (like a bass). My picking/soloing skills are like 20x better than chords/strumming. For some reason, the technical skills it takes for chord changes fluently is difficult for me. I guess it just takes time. Guitar is hard!

[Sil3nt1]

This past 8 months i've been dedicated to learning guitar (mostly acoustic). I've been playing bass for 12 years. I know my functional harmony better than most.

I tune the guitar in all 4ths (like a bass). My picking/soloing skills are like 20x better than chords/strumming. For some reason, the technical skills it takes for chord changes fluently is difficult for me. I guess it just takes time. Guitar is hard!

https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/team...er-tab-s440176

[Wayne Evans]

This past 8 months i've been dedicated to learning guitar (mostly acoustic). My picking/soloing skills are like 20x better than chords/strumming. For some reason, the technical skills it takes for chord changes fluently is difficult for me. I guess it just takes time. Guitar is hard!

Howdy p....

Keep up the good work.
Yep....guitar is hard and requires focus and discipline over time.

I'm just the opposite and just a rhythm player/song writer.

Carry on.

[J.L.C.]

Decided to try something a lil' old school and raunchy

https://voca.ro/13d7NkGXKVcf

[Wayne Evans]

Decided to try something a lil' old school and raunchy

Mornin' JLC....

Cool....it's good to hear your contribution as a completed effort.

I'm not familiar with the song, is it an original with your band or copy tune you played along with?

Well done....keep up the good work.

Carry on. (on spread)

[J.L.C.]

Mornin' JLC....

Cool....it's good to hear your contribution as a completed effort.

I'm not familiar with the song, is it an original with your band or copy tune you played along with?

Well done....keep up the good work.

Carry on. (on spread)

It's an Alice in Chains song from '92.

I use stem separation to remove the guitars from the original recording then replace those with my own.

Current technology is just so amazing!

[Wayne Evans]

It's an Alice in Chains song from '92. I use stem separation to remove the guitars from the original recording then replace those with my own.
Current technology is just so amazing!

Got it.

Absolutely....I used to have a ton of rack gear beginning in the early 80's.
I've been leaned out for a long time now.

My handle on this guitar site is chulaivet1966.
POST #9 is one of my 'then vs now' comparisons: https://www.tdpri.com/threads/i-love...#post-10059512

My guitar amp was at a friends house during the above pics so thought I would post this link....it's a Randall Commander II purchased new in '79.
Other studio incarnation pics from the early 90's: https://www.leatherneck.com/forums/a...p?albumid=3002

Thanks.
Carry on.

[Dominik]

Every time I hear Kiko I'm impressed. Chops. Feel. Note choice. The man is top tier. Elite.

[Woody-5]

Open mic last week. Covered an acoustic Zeppelin song. Weird tuning so I only did the one and done.
Nerves weren’t nearly as bad as the first time and I felt like a nailed the song, just two little screw ups.
Got a nice pop from the audience and two of the guys from the band that runs the show came up and gave me props after.
Great experience, and I’m looking forward to the next one. I really need to learn to sing and play at the same time because it would really open up my songlist. Can only find so many straight instrumentals.

[youtube]
Open mic last week. Covered an acoustic Zeppelin song. Weird tuning so I only did the one and done.
Nerves weren’t nearly as bad as the first time and I felt like a nailed the song, just two little screw ups.
Got a nice pop from the audience and two of the guys from the band that runs the show came up and gave me props after.
Great experience, and I’m looking forward to the next one. I really need to learn to sing and play at the same time because it would really open up my songlist. Can only find so many straight instrumentals.

[StackingPlates]

Open mic last week. Covered an acoustic Zeppelin song. Weird tuning so I only did the one and done.

Such a great song. And you aren't kidding about the weird tuning, I mean are there any other songs in popular music that have that exact same tuning? I used to have a guitar I'd keep specifically in that tuning just so I could play Rain Song. But I needed it for other purposes so it has been awhile...

[Sil3nt1]

This past 8 months i've been dedicated to learning guitar (mostly acoustic). I've been playing bass for 12 years. I know my functional harmony better than most.

I tune the guitar in all 4ths (like a bass). My picking/soloing skills are like 20x better than chords/strumming. For some reason, the technical skills it takes for chord changes fluently is difficult for me. I guess it just takes time. Guitar is hard!

here's a quick recording of that tab
https://vocaroo.com/11AodMmXtnGa only A E D chords

quality kinda sucks recorded on phone..

[Wayne Evans]

Mornin' everyone....

To keep this thread alive I'll throw this against the forum wall.

Here is a YT video of (8) originals in which I collaborated with a damn fine axe player Ken Lasaine
I also played rhythm guitar on some tracks and credits are at the end of each song.
I also have several originals uploaded that were written post this particular project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ5a...nnel=chulaivet

To any that give it a spin....many thanks in advance and hope you found them worthy of your time.

[Dominik]

Lord have mercy...

[Dominik]

Y'know what? Fukk that guy and his ridiculous un-copyable technique that allows him to do chit other guitarists can only dream of doing.

Check out the cope in this post.

"I feel like his choice of technique leaves him unable to do many other things besides play notes flawlessly with speed. he isn't playing anything note-wise we have not heard. There are pickers who can play faster than he does with his technique."

Who moves across the strings like that? Steve Morse at his peak? Must be a pretty exclusive club.

[rollerball]

Check out the cope in this post.

"I feel like his choice of technique leaves him unable to do many other things besides play notes flawlessly with speed. he isn't playing anything note-wise we have not heard. There are pickers who can play faster than he does with his technique."

Who moves across the strings like that? Steve Morse at his peak? Must be a pretty exclusive club.

Lmao. That guy has a hilarious lack of self awareness, his cope is so loud and unmistakable lol.

Mancucso pisses me off to no end because I've sunk all my eggs into an inferior basket that I didn't know was inferior until that bastard came along. Now I feel like a caveman while Mancuso is out there having already discovered fire and the wheel and is currently building a Model-T.

[rollerball]

I read some comment today in a Frank Gambale youtube video where someone commented how Frank would be threatened and insecure to play with Guthrie Govan and had all these likes which really pissed me off.

I'm sorry, Guthrie is obviously great, but don't you fukking dare disrespect Franke Gambale with that sort of nonsense. Frank's note choice is above Guthrie's when it comes to fusion/jazz.

[Dominik]

Lmao. That guy has a hilarious lack of self awareness, his cope is so loud and unmistakable lol.

Mancucso pisses me off to no end because I've sunk all my eggs into an inferior basket that I didn't know was inferior until that bastard came along. Now I feel like a caveman while Mancuso is out there having already discovered fire and the wheel and is currently building a Model-T.

I still love the sound of a pick for certain parts but being able to play lines like that with the fingers would be something. I've spent years doing the Jeff Beck and Knopfler thing for a certain tone playing with the fingers but speed was never a goal with that. As you can see with his original compositions he gets the best of both worlds. He's channeling Scott Henderson while still being able to shred.

I read some comment today in a Frank Gambale youtube video where someone commented how Frank would be threatened and insecure to play with Guthrie Govan and had all these likes which really pissed me off.

I'm sorry, Guthrie is obviously great, but don't you fukking dare disrespect Franke Gambale with that sort of nonsense. Frank's note choice is above Guthrie's when it comes to fusion/jazz.

The only time Frank has come off looking like the supporting cast is on that Varney album with Holdsworth. And what I didn't know at the time is Frank recorded his parts live with the band while Allan got to overdub his later after he'd already heard Frank's solos. Not really a fair comparison.

Frank created his own approach in the 80s playing with Chick Corea. No one was doing that sweep-economy thing before him and it's unmistakable. Guthrie to me was always more of a chameleon — he could copy anyone and their technique but his sound and style wasn't as identifiable. Never been a fan of the Guitar Olympics, comparing players on a technical level. It's music.

I think it's a shame Guthrie only has one solo album which is nearly 20 years old. At the end of the day it's about songs. I mean if all they did were instagram videos, workshops, and gigs there wouldn't be much to remember a person by. When AH passed the first thing I did was go to Allmusic and find everything he recorded with other artists that I'd either forgotten about or never heard. I was also grateful for the fact he'd done those studio albums from the 80s to late 90s before he got divorced and lost his home studio.

[rollerball]

I still love the sound of a pick for certain parts but being able to play lines like that with the fingers would be something. I've spent years doing the Jeff Beck and Knopfler thing for a certain tone playing with the fingers but speed was never a goal with that. As you can see with his original compositions he gets the best of both worlds. He's channeling Scott Henderson while still being able to shred.

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The only time Frank has come off looking like the supporting cast is on that Varney album with Holdsworth. And what I didn't know at the time is Frank recorded his parts live with the band while Allan got to overdub his later after he'd already heard Frank's solos. Not really a fair comparison.

Frank created his own approach in the 80s playing with Chick Corea. No one was doing that sweep-economy thing before him and it's unmistakable. Guthrie to me was always more of a chameleon — he could copy anyone and their technique but his sound and style wasn't as identifiable. Never been a fan of the Guitar Olympics, comparing players on a technical level. It's music.

I think it's a shame Guthrie only has one solo album which is nearly 20 years old. At the end of the day it's about songs. I mean if all they did were instagram videos, workshops, and gigs there wouldn't be much to remember a person by. When AH passed the first thing I did was go to Allmusic and find everything he recorded with other artists that I'd either forgotten about or never heard. I was also grateful for the fact he'd done those studio albums from the 80s to late 90s before he got divorced and lost his home studio.

The guitar olympics are real and something I've obviously defaulted to on many occasions myself historically. There's always been certain type of appeal to the physical virtuosity of guitar sort of above almost any other instrument.

I actually think a lot of this is due not only to the sound of guitar but the actual playing position that one has while playing guitar when standing. Every other instrument doesn't have that same aesthetic visual or straight up looks goofy like when violin players try to play non-classical shred-y playing and they try to physically emote but it always just ends up looking goofy af because of the way they hold the violin up at their neck. But someone physically emote-ing on the guitar in tandem with fire-works style playing can just have that vibe.

Guthrie is unmistakably great and his improvisation is incredible but yeah he doesn't seem to have an identifiable personality/style that I can sink my teeth into.

Not to hypocritically contribute now to the guitar olympics myself lol but the only guitarist I feel is above Gambale is AH.

[Dominik]

Not to hypocritically contribute now to the guitar olympics myself lol but the only guitarist I feel is above Gambale is AH.

Frank and Allan were close too. The Carvin/Kiesel connection made for regular appearances but having reached an elite level in musical expression the respect was mutual.

He took time out to talk about what his music meant to him around 33 minutes in. Worth a listen. Frank's a great musician and a great guy.

[z4v4]

Mancucso pisses me off to no end because I've sunk all my eggs into an inferior basket that I didn't know was inferior until that bastard came along. Now I feel like a caveman while Mancuso is out there having already discovered fire and the wheel and is currently building a Model-T.

Eh, I thought that back when I started playing classical and flamenco seriously back in the late shred era. That was because people like Paco de Lucia were hitting 250+bpm, and of course that had to be because the i,m technique is more efficient than a pick and not that they worked their asses off.

Now anyone playing with a string dampner back then would have been shot by electric players, and anyone using nails on a steel string would have been shot by classical players for applying nails to a steel-stringed instrument, but that's a different topic.

What I discovered spending years playing both classical and studying flamenco from a real deal flamenco guitarist (grew up gigging in Spain from the time he was a kid until about age 40 when he moved to the states) until I cut my nails to serve one master, electric, is that the i,m technique is not as easy as it looks. By easy, I mean more efficient than a pick.

If it were, every bass player would be able to play 250bpm. The only thing that came relatively quickly for me in that style was tremolo picking (a,m,i,p), but applying that to a scale across multiple strings is a disaster and is why those players use i,m.

All that is to say, if you went that route and spent the same amount of time doing i,m as you have spent with a pick, you'd very likely be in the same spot today.

Also, flamenco players' fastest lines (of max 3 notes per string moving more than 2 strings) are always descending because you can "sweep" rest strokes and that's not possible ascending.

For example, at around 45 seconds:





The irony is a few months ago you were saying how hybrid picking is cheating, but when Mancuso is not doing i,m he would be cheating by that definition because thumb, index, middle, ring, from a philosophical point of view, isn't any different than pick, middle, ring, pinky.

When Mancuso does a lick that goes (string-to-string), 654, 543, 432, 321 he plays it as thumb, index, middle a total of 4 times, and hybrid pickers like Garsed play it as pick, middle, ring a total of 4 times. No classical or flamenco player would ever do this sequence as i,m instead of p,i,m because it would cut their speed in half. Basically, i,m is like alternate picking and p,i,m,(a) would be like hybrid picking (or sweeping if no string skips like the example above) - if we're comparing fingerstyle with pickstyle.

Some pickers you might want to check out if you haven't heard of them before and since you're past the point of no return and stuck in caveman days, are Pasquale Grasso and Andreas Orberg.

Here's Pasquale playing Cherokee at 380bpm.




Chill blues.




Both of them are maintaining the swing, which is difficult to do when the lines get fast. Mancuso is able to maintain the swing when he plays bop also.

[Sil3nt1]

yeah

[rollerball]

Eh, I thought that back when I started playing classical and flamenco seriously back in the late shred era. That was because people like Paco de Lucia were hitting 250+bpm, and of course that had to be because the i,m technique is more efficient than a pick and not that they worked their asses off.

Now anyone playing with a string dampner back then would have been shot by electric players, and anyone using nails on a steel string would have been shot by classical players for applying nails to a steel-stringed instrument, but that's a different topic.

What I discovered spending years playing both classical and studying flamenco from a real deal flamenco guitarist (grew up gigging in Spain from the time he was a kid until about age 40 when he moved to the states) until I cut my nails to serve one master, electric, is that the i,m technique is not as easy as it looks. By easy, I mean more efficient than a pick.

If it were, every bass player would be able to play 250bpm. The only thing that came relatively quickly for me in that style was tremolo picking (a,m,i,p), but applying that to a scale across multiple strings is a disaster and is why those players use i,m.

All that is to say, if you went that route and spent the same amount of time doing i,m as you have spent with a pick, you'd very likely be in the same spot today.

Also, flamenco players' fastest lines (of max 3 notes per string moving more than 2 strings) are always descending because you can "sweep" rest strokes and that's not possible ascending.

For example, at around 45 seconds:

[youtube]gq-ARYBe3rw[youtube]



The irony is a few months ago you were saying how hybrid picking is cheating, but when Mancuso is not doing i,m he would be cheating by that definition because thumb, index, middle, ring, from a philosophical point of view, isn't any different than pick, middle, ring, pinky.

When Mancuso does a lick that goes (string-to-string), 654, 543, 432, 321 he plays it as thumb, index, middle a total of 4 times, and hybrid pickers like Garsed play it as pick, middle, ring a total of 4 times. No classical or flamenco player would ever do this sequence as i,m instead of p,i,m because it would cut their speed in half. Basically, i,m is like alternate picking and p,i,m,(a) would be like hybrid picking (or sweeping if no string skips like the example above) - if we're comparing fingerstyle with pickstyle.

Some pickers you might want to check out if you haven't heard of them before and since you're past the point of no return and stuck in caveman days, are Pasquale Grasso and Andreas Orberg.

Here's Pasquale playing Cherokee at 380bpm.

[youtube]InZx3tFYkH8[youtube]


Chill blues.

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Both of them are maintaining the swing, which is difficult to do when the lines get fast. Mancuso is able to maintain the swing when he plays bop also.

Z4v4 mogging all of the misc-guitarists once again.

Correction though - I think hybrid picking is cheating when the guitarist uses it instead of learning how to do proper alternate picking upstrokes.
Mancuso has developed an entire system on that classical/flamenco technique - he isn’t taking the shortcut that I accuse hybrid-pickers taking (the ones who can’t actually alternate pick).

To further my own hypocrisy though, I’ve started to hybrid pick for use in legato lines and for country style snapping of the strings lol.

[rollerball]

nce one ssd

Yeah we get it, you’re a f*ggot loser with a whore for a mom

[rollerball]

Welcome!

Yes you are a huge loser with no life lmao you responded instantaneously

[SwimToTheMoon]

Yo brehs... How can I connect a microphone (shure sm57) with the axe fx and record two channels, guitar and mic, at the same time? Do I need to get something like this? https://www.m-audio.com/m-track-duo