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    Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    Knew you couldn't help but make this political.

    Say what? Answered ELrons question with a link and a copied sentence from Snopes. I will correct fake news when it is posted.
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    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post

    In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax.
    This makes zero sense. Who on this planet would even use the word hoax in that context? He downplayed this from the start as well as his mouth pieces, Hannity and Rush. There are tons of quotes and sound bites of them doing just that but the MAGA crowd is great at twisting themselves into knots to interpret what they think he really means from what he actually says (like above).
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    This makes zero sense. Who on this planet would even use the word hoax in that context? He downplayed this from the start as well as his mouth pieces, Hannity and Rush. There are tons of quotes and sound bites of them doing just that but the MAGA crowd is great at twisting themselves into knots to interpret what they think he really means from what he actually says (like above).
    I've read that the real problem isn't that Trump is a lying homophobic, racist misogynist, but that his supporters don't care if he is lying homophobic, racist misogynist.
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    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
    Gubmint is inherently cancerous. Those who pick red or blue teams are generally miserable because they keep getting shafted and lied to by their own team, but instead of admitting that they are getting shafted by their 'leaders', they would rather blame the other team who is no better to make themselves feel better.

    So that's the problem.

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    Those who trust in gubmint are braindead idiots. Not an opinion, but a fact.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
    When you live in DC it is the family business and all that they talk about.

    sums it up a thread will start off promising and then turn into name calling..
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
    I couldn't have said it better myself. On spread as usual.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I've read that the real problem isn't that Trump is a lying homophobic, racist misogynist, but that his supporters don't care if he is lying homophobic, racist misogynist.
    I would tend to agree with this statement, however, personally I think you left out his most dire characteristic which is that he is chronic narcissist; the worst trait possible for a leader.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
    What makes you assume that we don't have other interests, and that we are unhappy?
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    I only see two or three posts out of 430 posts in this thread about politics, so I don't see politics being a big problem that will continue with any traction. We have learned to nip it in the bud
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    I only see two or three posts out of 430 posts in this thread about politics, so I don't see politics being a big problem that will continue with any traction. We have learned to nip it in the bud
    everything is intertwined and interconnected. everything.

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    Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    Knew you couldn't help but make this political.

    Just saw this. Speaks for itself.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I've read that the real problem isn't that Trump is a lying homophobic, racist misogynist, but that his supporters don't care if he is lying homophobic, racist misogynist.
    This is a pretty self-serving assessment because it allows you to paint all of your political opponents as fundamentally bad people...which of course means that you are one of the virtuous ones. A view more closely aligned with reality is that Trump supporters simply don't agree with your assessment of him.

    Generally, this is why political discussions suck...And why they never go anywhere. The other side never exists as individuals with moral agency, good intentions, or intelligence....instead, they always exist as amoral caricatures whose primary purpose is to advance some evil agenda. Nowhere to really go from there....
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This is a pretty self-serving assessment because it allows you to paint all of your political opponents as fundamentally bad people...which of course means that you are one of the virtuous ones. A view more closely aligned with reality is that Trump supporters simply don't agree with your assessment of him.

    Generally, this is why political discussions suck...And why they never go anywhere. The other side never exists as individuals with moral agency, good intentions, or intelligence....instead, they always exist as amoral caricatures whose primary purpose is to advance some evil agenda. Nowhere to really go from there....
    I think many can see both sides. I'm not even talking about right v left here. I distinguish the conservatives from Trump and his supporters. Supramax is pretty spot on with his assessment of many MAGA, IMO. Most simply don't care what he says and does. Mind boggling.

    As for the above; I loathe Cuomo, yet, think he's done a pretty good job handling and communicating. Many of his policies can suck a dik but I really do try and see both sides even if I don't agree. Sure, there are many but to say "never" and "always", IMO is too dismissive.

    Then you have our local goat herder who claims anyone who doesn't conform to his way of thinking is a brain dead idiot. His posts drip with irony.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This is a pretty self-serving assessment because it allows you to paint all of your political opponents as fundamentally bad people...which of course means that you are one of the virtuous ones. A view more closely aligned with reality is that Trump supporters simply don't agree with your assessment of him.

    Generally, this is why political discussions suck...And why they never go anywhere. The other side never exists as individuals with moral agency, good intentions, or intelligence....instead, they always exist as amoral caricatures whose primary purpose is to advance some evil agenda. Nowhere to really go from there....
    I was just quoting something that I read. That's why I didn't say anything about what bustasinclair referred to as Trumps' chronic narcissism; it wasn't in the article.
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    I think many can see both sides. I'm not even talking about right v left here. I distinguish the conservatives from Trump and his supporters. Supramax is pretty spot on with his assessment of many MAGA, IMO. Most simply don't care what he says and does. Mind boggling.
    This kinda illustrates my point. It isn't that they don't care about racism and homophobia, they simply don't agree with your assessment that he is homophobic and racist etc. “Most” is a lot of people, but you don't seem to have a problem characterizing them as morally deficient. This again, is pretty self-serving. Not only does it allow you to express your visceral dislike for your political opponents, but it also allows you to highlight your own moral superiority to all of those “bad” people.

    Not saying this is one sided by any stretch. The same thing happens when Bernie supporters are accused of wanting to turn us into the Soviet Union.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I was just quoting something that I read. That's why I didn't say anything about what bustasinclair referred to as Trumps' chronic narcissism; it wasn't in the article.
    And neither of our statements have anything to do with Blue vs Red, Left vs Right, (D) vs (R); they are strictly referring to one person who has changed affiliations five times during his lifetime.

    I don't have any political opponents to label as fundamentally bad people; that's the beauty of not getting caught up in partisan politics.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    I think many can see both sides. I'm not even talking about right v left here. I distinguish the conservatives from Trump and his supporters. Supramax is pretty spot on with his assessment of many MAGA, IMO. Most simply don't care what he says and does. Mind boggling.

    As for the above; I loathe Cuomo, yet, think he's done a pretty good job handling and communicating. Many of his policies can suck a dik but I really do try and see both sides even if I don't agree. Sure, there are many but to say "never" and "always", IMO is too dismissive.

    Then you have our local goat herder who claims anyone who doesn't conform to his way of thinking is a brain dead idiot. His posts drip with irony.
    All presidents have had flaws, including Obama. Those adjectives describing Trump have been so ingrained by the MSM, it's as if no other person but Trump is really bad. That is the irony.

    People are so hung up on on what they think of Trump personally, they have no clue how his policies have turned on the economy. If you look into the more micro-economic and macro-economic behaviors of people and industries, part of the evidence is seeing people leave high-tax States such as New York, New Jersey and California.

    (1) Since the past 3 years, I decided to not vote for the person, but for policy; (2) Over the past 3 years I have more respect for anyone's point of view and also when they do not align with mine; (3) I also learned a little over 3 years ago that discussing politics in the O35 section is not a good thing and not worth it, so peace to all, no matter what you believe.

    **JT, you are one of the more objective posters, which I appreciate.
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    And neither of our statements have anything to do with Blue vs Red, Left vs Right, (D) vs (R); they are strictly referring to one person who has changed affiliations five times during his lifetime.

    I don't have any political opponents to label as fundamentally bad people; that's the beauty of not getting caught up in partisan politics.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This is a pretty self-serving assessment because it allows you to paint all of your political opponents as fundamentally bad people...which of course means that you are one of the virtuous ones. A view more closely aligned with reality is that Trump supporters simply don't agree with your assessment of him.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This kinda illustrates my point. It isn't that they don't care about racism and homophobia, they simply don't agree with your assessment that he is homophobic and racist etc. “Most” is a lot of people, but you don't seem to have a problem characterizing them as morally deficient. This again, is pretty self-serving. Not only does it allow you to express your visceral dislike for your political opponents, but it also allows you to highlight your own moral superiority to all of those “bad” people.

    Not saying this is one sided by any stretch. The same thing happens when Bernie supporters are accused of wanting to turn us into the Soviet Union.
    I'm doing a bad job of making my argument. At no time have I ever said Trump was a typical racist or homophobic, although I think hes a lot like others his age; no problem with blacks but wouldn't want his daughter marrying one. My grandparents are like that (both in their mid 80s). They say things that floor me but have tons of black friends.

    I'll do a better job using qualifying words like most. I should have used the word "many" as I believe that to be true.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    I'm doing a bad job of making my argument. At no time have I ever said Trump was a typical racist or homophobic, although I think hes a lot like others his age; no problem with blacks but wouldn't want his daughter marrying one. My grandparents are like that (both in their mid 80s). They say things that floor me but have tons of black friends.

    I'll do a better job using qualifying words like most. I should have used the word "many" as I believe that to be true.
    It ain't just you JT ... Many of us do that to some degree (myself included).
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    All of you would be immeasurably happier if you developed some interest other than politics.
    That would be a two-edged sword, actually. Democracy dies if the citizenry is apathetic, just as much as it dies if the citizenry is authoritarian.

    And, seeing as how "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. -Thomas Jefferson", I'm not sure that being "happier" in this case would make us any better off.


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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    That would be a two-edged sword, actually. Democracy dies if the citizenry is apathetic, just as much as it dies if the citizenry is authoritarian.
    Very true!

    And being critical of a policy or behavior that is abnormal by most standards,somehow makes you a Purple haired, angry, EMO, lesbian from Seattle, even if you are not in the slightest. The smear labels go both ways, so it just isn't worth it in most cases.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Very true!

    And being critical of a policy or behavior that is abnormal by most standards,somehow makes you a Purple haired, angry, EMO, lesbian from Seattle, even if you are not in the slightest. The smear labels go both ways, so it just isn't worth it in most cases.
    Politics is ugly no matter what sides we are on. Outside of another forum, I don't even discuss politics.

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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Politics is ugly no matter what sides we are on. Outside of another forum, I don't even discuss politics.

    I never thought you had blue hair, Ben
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    This kinda illustrates my point. It isn't that they don't care about racism and homophobia, they simply don't agree with your assessment that he is homophobic and racist etc.

    That's because they tend to not want to learn any history.
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    everything is intertwined and interconnected. everything.

    Just look at today's data. 3.3 Americans applied for unemployment, yet the DOW is approaching 1000 points up while two curves in the bond market are yielding negative returns. there is a national shutdown, yet stocks are going up.

    Does this make sense? For those who are woke, the obvious answer is NO. But the sad thing is the majority do not have the intelligence to put the dots together.

    "Look over here. Look over here. DO NOT look over there."
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