Corona

[Plateauplower]

It's not about WHO gets it at this point, containment has failed, current efforts are all around WHEN they get it. We don't want everyone to all get sick at the same time or the mortality rate will skyrocket.

This

Some CDC models expect it to infect the entire United States by mid summer. This current isolation is not sustainable so there will another surge soon as we relax the social distancing.

[sy2502]

I agree with you about the small business. One fear I have is that this will be a great filter event, allowing new opportunities for the large corporate players to consolidate over the remains of failed small businesses, and leading to even more monopoly and corporate oligarchy.

Totally this. And if American big businesses fail, they may be bought by foreign investors, or conglomerated with foreign businesses.

Vaccines are tough. One of the reasons it takes so long (other than priorities) is that they rarely get it right on the first try. Their first few attempts are likely to be unsuccessful at finding something effective. Although MAYBE, if they have a good genetic map of the virus, they may be able to compare it with known viruses for which successful vaccines do exist, and tweak appropriately. I'm very glad genetic engineering exists.

Yes and no, we have been making vaccines in the modern sense since the late 1700s, I think by now we have a pretty good idea of how to go about it. Which is why there already are a number of candidates for coronavirus. I know we don't inject people with a weak version of the virus anymore, but chit if push comes to shove we can always start doing that (look at me, I'm an Internet virology expert!!! )

Seriously though, as I said, a vaccine is probably harder to find than a cure. I think even just finding a way to keep sick people out of hospitals would be a great achievement. Then it would be more like a regular flu and we can stop wrecking the economy with shelter in place.

BTW did you folks see our supreme leader.. I mean our governor Gavin Newsom said he's ready to bring on martial law? Gawd forbid California should let an emergency go to waste! But why am I even surprised, CA voted in block for Bernie Sanders, he of the "but tyrants and dictators also do good things".

[mtpockets]

[OldFartTom]

https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...20-3?r=US&IR=T

Would be really *&*&^% useful if this did wok out!!

[x-trainer ben]

Ha Ha good one!

I went on a search for some and found Cottonelle wet wipes at the store this morning.
Then this kind lady gave me her 4 pack, good times.

[supramax]

Instant and endless supply of toilet paper: Just add water.

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Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Richard Burr sold up to $1.5 million in stocks in early February, while assuring the public that the U.S. was prepared to take on the coronavirus. That includes investments in several hotel companies that lost much of their value due to the coronavirus outbreak.


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/202...navirus-031920

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The Daily Beast: Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler sold off seven figures worth of stock holdings in the days and weeks after a private, all-senators meeting on the novel coronavirus.

"One of Senator Loeffler’s two PURCHASES was stock worth between $100,000 and $250,000 in Citrix, a technology company that offers teleworking software and which has seen a small bump in its stock price since Loeffler bought in as a result of coronavirus-induced market turmoil."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-ke...efing?ref=wrap

[Mark1T]

The Daily Beast: Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler sold off seven figures worth of stock holdings in the days and weeks after a private, all-senators meeting on the novel coronavirus.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-ke...efing?ref=wrap

He is not the only Senator in history that has participated in possible insider trading.

What is odd, is that insider trading was legal for members of Congress up to 2012, when Obama made it illegal for Congress. Before that, it was not uncommon for members of Congress to participate in insider trading.

Nevertheless, Ms. Leoffler is in serious trouble from this very dumb move.

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He is not the only Senator in history that has participated in possible insider trading.

Agreed, but from the article I posted above not only did he have non-public information that this was worse than expected, but he lied to the public saying all was well while privately dumping stock.

Around the time that Burr sold his shares of major corporations, including several hard hit hotel companies, he publicly expressed confidence about the U.S. government’s ability to fight the virus. However in late February, Burr privately warned that the virus is “much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history,” according to a recording obtained by NPR...

In a Feb. 7 opinion piece for Fox News, Burr and Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) wrote that the U.S. is “is better prepared than ever before” to deal with a health crisis like the coronavirus.

He's the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, with access to a wealth of privileged information regarding the global spread of COVID-19 and our country's state of preparedness. He serves at the behest of the American people and his job is to use this intelligence to protect and warn the country against threats, including this one.

In public, he was toeing the party line that America was ready for COVID-19 and everything would be fine. In private, he was selling his stocks and warning his wealthy donors of a new pandemic on the scale of the 1918 Spanish flu.

[Mark1T]

Agreed, but from the article I posted above not only did he have non-public information that this was worse than expected, but he lied to the public saying all was well while privately dumping stock.

He's the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, with access to a wealth of privileged information regarding the global spread of COVID-19 and our country's state of preparedness. He serves at the behest of the American people and his job is to use this intelligence to protect and warn the country against threats, including this one.

In public, he was toeing the party line that America was ready for COVID-19 and everything would be fine. In private, he was selling his stocks and warning his wealthy donors of a new pandemic on the scale of the 1918 Spanish flu.

My typo, Kelly Loeffler is a she. Richard Burr also was accused of selling off upward of $1.6 million in personal stocks based on inside information he had from his post on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Oh, I agree, it is bad and both Loeffler and Burr should resign immediately and prosecuted.

How they thought they could get away with it is mind boggling. The SEC can almost read minds.

[OldFartTom]

That disgusts me that your senior politicians get caught doing stuff like that.

In the UK our senior politicians are better that that

Spoiler!

they are devious enough to do it without getting caught

[steffo99]

Swedish Central Bank emergency loan package "meant" for small business/society of 500 billion SEK - 80% of it apparently goes to the largest banks at 0% interest. These banks only incur a penalty of 0.2% interest if they don't lend it out to small businesses. In other words they will just paper trade amongst each other and eat that 0.2% fee, and small business/society etc will never see any of that money "meant" for them. Strong everything.

And as confirmed by themselves, this money was created with a few presses of a button out of thin air, making what is in the wallet of regular people worth just a little less. But I guess that's how things have worked for a long time.

[steffo99]

So, are proud owners bidets now the new 1%ers?

[Mark1T]

More news on stock dumping:

Dianne Feinstein, 3 Senate colleagues sold off stocks before coronavirus crash: reports

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and three of her Senate colleagues sold off stocks worth millions of dollars in the days before the coronavirus outbreak crashed the market, according to reports.

The data is listed on a U.S. Senate website containing financial disclosures from Senate members.

Feinstein, who serves as ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and her husband sold between $1.5 million and $6 million in stock in California biotech company Allogene Therapeutics, between Jan. 31 and Feb. 18, The New York Times reported.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dia...-crash-reports

[Jtbny]

More news on stock dumping:

Dianne Feinstein, 3 Senate colleagues sold off stocks before coronavirus crash: reports

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and three of her Senate colleagues sold off stocks worth millions of dollars in the days before the coronavirus outbreak crashed the market, according to reports.

The data is listed on a U.S. Senate website containing financial disclosures from Senate members.

Feinstein, who serves as ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and her husband sold between $1.5 million and $6 million in stock in California biotech company Allogene Therapeutics, between Jan. 31 and Feb. 18, The New York Times reported.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dia...-crash-reports

I have almost no issues with anyone moving in/out of the market. The issue is IF they have insider info and IF they are in a position to influence the market (and do so). Did Richard Burr of North Carolina, Kelly Loeffler of Georgia, James Inhofe of Oklahoma, and Dianne Feinstein of Cali do any of that? From what I can tell from limited reading of this is that Burr did. The others I can't seem to find info that they did anything nefarious.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker...sale-or-resign

On a side note - did anyone catch the Fed rule change about being able to buy equities now? If I'm understanding this change our government can now buy/hold coimpany equities and take them as collateral for no interest loans.

[Mark1T]

I have almost no issues with anyone moving in/out of the market. The issue is IF they have insider info and IF they are in a position to influence the market (and do so). Did Richard Burr of North Carolina, Kelly Loeffler of Georgia, James Inhofe of Oklahoma, and Dianne Feinstein of Cali do any of that? From what I can tell from limited reading of this is that Burr did. The others I can't seem to find info that they did anything nefarious.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker...sale-or-resign

On a side note - did anyone catch the Fed rule change about being able to buy equities now? If I'm understanding this change our government can now buy/hold coimpany equities and take them as collateral for no interest loans.

I guess we need more information, but just the timing is very suspicious and why are they all being reported.

We'll see what shakes out.

[x-trainer ben]

All 4 should face serious penalties, we can't have the senate creating and breaking laws.


oh and Shaq is a funny dude

https://www.totalprosports.com/2020/...himself-video/

[supramax]

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Yup.




https://twitter.com/mikejudge/status...541881344?s=21

[BeginnerGainz]

We’re living history now brahs

[Mark1T]

One of the only several who have died from the virus in my State, died less than 1 mile from my house, 2 days ago.

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It’s fascinating how the news is still so focused on reporting the number of cases when it’s pretty clear we have almost no idea how many cases in this country there are or have been.

[Bando]

One of the only several who have died from the virus in my State, died less than 1 mile from my house, 2 days ago.

2 cases at my workplace, huge employer/workplace though.

[Mark1T]

2 cases at my workplace, huge employer/workplace though.

And those are the ones that are actually known.

I found out that the death near me was at an assisted living facility and he was over 80 years old, but had not been anywhere. Shows that he likely contracted it by community spreading. So, over a little time, there could be more infections.

[Fishman15]

It’s fascinating how the news is still so focused on reporting the number of cases when it’s pretty clear we have almost no idea how many cases in this country there are or have been.

^This, I have wondered how many have already had and recovered from it and never had any idea they even had it. Those are the people you want on the front lines trying to help people as they would be immune to it...

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The warnings from U.S. intelligence agencies increased in volume toward the end of January and into early February. By then, a MAJORITY of the reporting included in daily briefing papers and digests from the DNI and CIA were about the coronavirus.

The intelligence reports didn’t predict when the virus might land on U.S. shores or recommend particular steps that public health officials should take, issues outside the purview of the intelligence agencies. But they did track the spread of the virus in China, and later in other countries, and warned that Chinese officials appeared to be minimizing the severity of the outbreak.
Taken together, the reports and warnings painted an early picture of a virus that showed the characteristics of a globe-encircling pandemic that could require governments to take swift actions to contain it. But despite that constant flow of reporting, Trump continued publicly and privately to play down the threat the virus posed to Americans. Lawmakers, too, did not grapple with the virus in earnest until this month, as officials scrambled to keep citizens in their homes and hospitals braced for a surge in patients suffering from covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...597_story.html

[Corbi]

It’s fascinating how the news is still so focused on reporting the number of cases when it’s pretty clear we have almost no idea how many cases in this country there are or have been.

And reporting death percentages without knowing how many actually have it is complete crap. The more you read and investigate also makes one think that this may have been in the states long before it was initially reported

[Fishman15]

The warnings from U.S. intelligence agencies increased in volume toward the end of January and into early February. By then, a MAJORITY of the reporting included in daily briefing papers and digests from the DNI and CIA were about the coronavirus.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...597_story.html

Where would Biden and Sanders have taken us?

A previously unreported detail concerning President Donald Trump’s decision to ban travel from China reveals Trump’s strong leadership in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic and exposes the risk this country would face if Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders were our commander in chief.

On Jan. 31, 2020, the Trump administration announced that foreign nationals who had traveled to China in the past 14 days would be denied entry into the United States. At the time, the virus — which originated in the Wuhan province — had begun to spread uncontrollably throughout the communist nation. Trump’s China travel ban reduced arrivals from the hotspot to the United States by 90 percent and “prevent[ed] more cases from China coming into the United States.”

Since then, most medical experts, as well as ordinary Americans, have viewed Trump’s prophylactic travel ban from China as a life-saving decision that slowed the spread of the Wuhan virus in the United States. But few realize that Trump’s call was a tough one that went against the bureaucratic academic models crafted to help inform his decision.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/19...ike-trump-did/

[LWW]

Dats Wright, this disease here be created by gubmit and put in the mashed potatas in San Quentin. All a suddin ****nets be dropping all over da place, along width some severely tanned individuals of rhythmic proportions.

Gimme dat nakin, uh sister Abdula X express yo self.......