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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    You seem very angry , but then again, if you ride the bus I don't blame you.
    That sense of anger probably stems from reading my posts in your own voice.

    You have to read them in a silly lovable cartoon voice for the true intent to shine through, dumbass.

    Plus, I have special pants for the bus, so it's not so bad.
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    the chit is honestly too complicated for the misc r/p so its probably best if we just call one another communists and anarchists
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    Srs. In 2019, I saw my GP, two different gastroenterologists and a orthopedic surgeon. Had MRI on my back, an abdominal CT, and a trans nasal endoscopy . Did I pay some out if pocket? Yes, but there were almost no wait times. MRI was on a Sunday, empty waiting room, sign in and right to the machine. Sane with the CT. I love the fact I can get these procedures done with no waiting lines or crowded doctor offices. Convince me why I should give that up for higher taxes, and convince me the government would be just as efficient.
    Dabbers, is there something you have against waiting in line and being treated by a mad AF nurse who didn't quite make it through school - and who just got a 55% cut in pay?

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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    the chit is honestly too complicated for the misc r/p so its probably best if we just call one another communists and anarchists
    You are probably right. We should let politicians make drastic/systemic changes without any feasible idea on how much the change would cost or how we are going to pay for it.
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    the chit is honestly too complicated for the misc r/p so its probably best if we just call one another communists and anarchists
    Just replace all the complicated stuff with misc lingo and we should be able to handle it.

    How much much would you put in the collection jar to ensure the thicc sloot you raw dogged last night doesn't have the herp?

    At least $350 amirite?
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    Originally Posted by dmike100 View Post
    You are probably right. We should let politicians make drastic/systemic changes without any feasible idea on how much the change would cost or how we are going to pay for it.
    orrr someone could just study it a lot.
    mind the business that pay me in 2020
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    is it worth keeping a broken system because it is in line with ones personal ideology?
    I don't believe that the government should be providing healthcare at all, so yes.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    I don't believe that the government should be providing healthcare at all, so yes.
    good, i dont think youre alone. that comes with a price. at any price?

    does the government not also have a responsibility to protect the rest of us?
    mind the business that pay me in 2020
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    orrr someone could just study it a lot.
    Study it, present it with half-truths, cooked numbers to give the results they want to mislead the public.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Dabbers, is there something you have against waiting in line and being treated by a mad AF nurse who didn't quite make it through school - and who just got a 55% cut in pay?


    The 2020 version of Nurse Ratched should be Nurse Omembi from Nigeria.

    Originally Posted by dmike100 View Post
    You are probably right. We should let politicians make drastic/systemic changes without any feasible idea on how much the change would cost or how we are going to pay for it.
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    Originally Posted by dmike100 View Post
    You are probably right. We should let politicians make drastic/systemic changes without any feasible idea on how much the change would cost or how we are going to pay for it.
    mind the business that pay me in 2020
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post


    the drug and health care companies:
    Sweet - where is the healthcare infrastructure per capita? I know a few years ago we had 5 times as many MRI machines per capita than Canada.

    I'll take better access over better prices
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    good, i dont think youre alone. that comes with a price. at any price?

    does the government not also have a responsibility to protect the rest of us?
    Protect us from foreign invaders, yes.

    Protect people from eating themselves to death? No

    Your sugar addiction is not my problem. I'd prefer you die actually.

    Unless you are proposing we are all microchipped and have our activity levels and diet tracked 24/7 by the government to assure everyone is doing their best to be healthy....sounds like some 1984 chit
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    Sweet - where is the healthcare infrastructure per capita? I know a few years ago we had 5 times as many MRI machines per capita than Canada.

    I'll take better access over better prices
    Last time I needed a CT scan, I had an appointment and the scan done 15 mins from my house and within the hour.

    Needed an MRI for something else a few months later . . . got it the next morning.
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    Originally Posted by taf1968 View Post
    Last time I needed a CT scan, I had an appointment and the scan done 15 mins from my house and within the hour.

    Needed an MRI for something else a few months later . . . got it the next morning.
    Selfish *sshole. You should have waited two months to get it done.
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    good, i dont think youre alone. that comes with a price. at any price?

    does the government not also have a responsibility to protect the rest of us?
    No I don't believe the government should have any responsibility in healthcare beyond providing medical licenses.
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    Originally Posted by Techriding101 View Post
    Protect us from foreign invaders, yes.

    Protect people from eating themselves to death? No

    Your sugar addiction is not my problem. I'd prefer you die actually.

    Unless you are proposing we are all microchipped and have our activity levels and diet tracked 24/7 by the government to assure everyone is doing their best to be healthy....sounds like some 1984 chit
    ok good. im in favor of ending medicare entirely. it will save us near 1 trillion a year.

    i dont smoke and im shredded. all privatization of healthcare favors my situation. all my grandparents are dead.
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    ok good. im in favor of ending medicare entirely. it will save us near 1 trillion a year.
    exactly - let's get the D out of the FDA as well
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    ok good. im in favor of ending medicare entirely. it will save us near 1 trillion a year.
    Which would literally cover our entire annual budget deficits...
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    Which would literally cover our entire annual budget deficits...
    too bad its not politically tenable. the NRA is second only to the AARP. we need to disenfranchise them. voting through the tik tok app?
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    too bad its not politically tenable. the NRA is second only to the AARP. we need to disenfranchise them. voting through the tik tok app?
    wait till GOA overtakes the NRA as the #1 gun group
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    I've never known or heard of a single person that has gone broke from medical expenses. Not a single one. Also, bankruptcy exists so you don't lose your primary home.

    I do, however, know hundreds of people who have excellent health insurance plans provided very inexpensively through their employer.

    Why not just be honest and say it will only be better for people who don't have insurance now, which is only those who dont want it, as you can get insurance working at places like Amazon or Safeway which need employees so badly that they advertise here on the radio and hire without interviews. Starting pay? $15/hr at Amazon and $17+ at Safeway warehouse.
    You can also work part time at UPS and get health insurance.
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    ok good. im in favor of ending medicare entirely. it will save us near 1 trillion a year.

    i dont smoke and im shredded. all privatization of healthcare favors my situation. all my grandparents are dead.
    Why medicare and not medicaid?
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    wait till GOA overtakes the NRA as the #1 gun group
    Let's hope so,the NRA are boomer Fudds at best and controlled opposition at worst.

    AARP are pro dem, they supported Obamacare and a bunch of other chit.

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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Why medicare and not medicaid?
    both obviously but usually people dont wanna cut medicare bc their gramma will have to move in with them.

    saying usually republicans. and if pressed a lot of (majority) of republicans are very much in favor of their taxes paying for healthcare (old people, poor people, veterans).

    its good that small government minarchists are hoppin out the woodwork. to them the GOP must be far from an ideal president and very much the lesser of two evils
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    Which would literally cover our entire annual budget deficits...
    Well if you got rid of Medicare wouldn't you also get rid of the taxes for medicare as well?
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    I've never known or heard of a single person that has gone broke from medical expenses. Not a single one.
    I'm not going to take a side one way or the other, but i've worked in a number of hospitals and seen my fair share of individuals drowning in medical debt. These are people that are chronically ill and are in and out of clinics and hospitals on a monthly basis and have to take a cocktail of prescription meds just to function properly. These aren't obesity related issues either, these are people that have congenital defects, been in a crippling accident or are simply old...and when you get old, things just start falling apart.

    On top of what I mentioned, there is a huge problem developing among the older millineals (who would be in their mid 30's) and that is the fact that they don't have health insurance because they can't afford to have it taken out of their paycheck because they have to use that money to pay for student loan debt (which cannot be absolved through bankruptcy). They're starting to get sick and are accumulating medical bills on top of their student loan debt, so they feel trapped.

    These are the realizations Sanders supporters are slowly starting to realize, and there appears to be a hell of a lot of them since his rally sizes are beginning to rival trumps.

    Finally, the case Tamorlane would then make to you is that the system is broken if the only way for those people to pay for medical expenses is to file for bankruptcy.
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