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    Originally Posted by jeffl1980 View Post
    Maybe white people are learning that it's smarter to have kids once they have their education and have a structured home in place?

    Unfortunately this will never catch on....... Because free EVERYTHING.
    Hell yea. After they graduate college, rack up a ton of debt, and can barely get by check to check in their mid thirties, thennnnnnn they can start to think about having one kid, until they disappear off the face of the earth.

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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
    Schools, emergency services and local departments of transportation are funded by local and municipal governments, not the federal government. This is the intention of founding a country with a small federal government and leaving things like this to the people (ie... local governments and individuals). As for federal infrastructure, it's necessary so that people can get things like food shipped to them.

    The military is a necessary expense so we don't get conquered by China or Mexican drug cartels, and is also a specific duty of government.

    This is an expansion of federal powers and theft of wages from contributors. Do you think people who make enough to actually pay taxes and have families will want their kid in preschool with kids who's parents are drug addicted food stamp section 8ers? Because that's who will use this program and others like it.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    I think a more realistic option should just be allowing families to contribute more than 5k to a dependent care fsa. Let us use pretax dollars to pay for all of our childcare.

    I don’t trust the govt to run daycares. I pay a lot for my kids because the place is awesome, has great teachers and resources, and it is worth every penny. The govt will pay some poverty flat rate for all places and they will all turn in to **** holes.

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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Hell yea. After they graduate college, rack up a ton of debt, and can barely get by check to check in their mid thirties, thennnnnnn they can start to think about having one kid, until they disappear off the face of the earth.

    "Durrrr, but socialism and free stuff. Millionaire and billionaires"
    Racking up student debt = another poor life choice
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Hell yea. After they graduate college, rack up a ton of debt, and can barely get by check to check in their mid thirties, thennnnnnn they can start to think about having one kid, until they disappear off the face of the earth.

    "Durrrr, but socialism and free stuff. Millionaire and billionaires"
    Or they can pay insane tax rates which means they effectively never pay off college.
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Hell yea. After they graduate college, rack up a ton of debt, and can barely get by check to check in their mid thirties, thennnnnnn they can start to think about having one kid, until they disappear off the face of the earth.

    "Durrrr, but socialism and free stuff. Millionaire and billionaires"
    If they are still barely getting by in their mid-30s - it's time to stop blaming their student loans and take a look at their lifestyle.
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    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    You're suggesting that the majority of voters are informed at all, which is usually the opposite. All they see is "free stuff!" or "we need to protect ourselves!" or "immigrants are ruining our country!".
    You're proving your own point since nobody says "immigrants are ruining our country!". Illegal aliens, however, are nothing but a burden on our country.
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    If people are not going to work, why would they need free day care?
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    How insulting to gloss over Bernie Sander's support of communism and socialism by saying he loves babies and childcare.

    I am not fooled by OP's love affair with a socialist fraud.
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Hell yea. After they graduate college, rack up a ton of debt, and can barely get by check to check in their mid thirties, thennnnnnn they can start to think about having one kid, until they disappear off the face of the earth.

    "Durrrr, but socialism and free stuff. Millionaire and billionaires"
    Did you have a meltdown recently?
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    If they are still barely getting by in their mid-30s - it's time to stop blaming their student loans and take a look at their lifestyle.
    It's the lifestyle of a Bernie supporter.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Sboud daycare be "free?"
    More like:

    "Do you guys have kids, or not? If not, how much empathy do you have for others and the consequences for their CHOICES?"

    To answer your question: I have no kids and give 0 ****s about other people's struggles to have kids that put financial strain on them due to the obscene amounts of money childcare costs.


    The whole bullchit with Bernie an M2A is that healthy, generally younger adults/couples that don't have/don't plan on having kids are getting a big nice boot shoved in their mouth and will be forced to pay $$ to supplement other people's kids and health habits.

    The only time H2A should (in my opinion) is to treat genetic defects and not-at-fault accidents. Households without kids are the ones that should be getting more tax credits/deductions. Unpopular opinion, I know.
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    Originally Posted by zinkhan99 View Post
    Public primary education is a minimum to kickstart any human being into a functioning member of a society which is in everyones interest. Fire will spread and damage nearby goods, and it's silly to think a single person/family could contain house fire. Infrastructure is actually needed for other public services and necessities to arrive to you whether you have a car or not. Constitution gives Congress the right to raise armed forces - military has been a necessity throughout history to remain a sovereign nation. Whether it's bloated or not is another story.

    Forcing us to pay for other adults personal choices (college debt) is downright stupid. College degree is not a necessity, and if you can't pay your own debt afterwards means you have taken a degree with no demand - takes a day or two to research such major decision.

    Regarding Bernies idea - healthcare for infants and children is actually a great idea.
    Basically I agree with this sentiment.

    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    Some people would be happy to have that tax rate if it meant they didn't pay out of pocket for daycare, college and healthcare. And with deductions and refunds it comes out to far less than that. For example, Norway starts by charging 45% but with deductions annually it comes out to an average of 25. They also charge a deductible on health care up to a certain amount which helps supplement the system.

    Free daycare = happy parents. Free college = happy people just over voting age. Free healthcare = happy seniors and anyone basically over 50. It's a briliant election strategy, really. Also implemented successfully in many other countries.
    You guys get so worried about how this is implemented in countries with a smaller population than NYC alone. Its impossible to compare the US to these places due to our population diversity and sheer population size. Nothing of that nature has been successfully adopted in a population even remotely close in scale to the United States that I'm aware of.
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    You probably also are screeching “why is the white birthrate so low reeeeee”
    Way to bring race into it.....which I didn’t.
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    Originally Posted by Xinroth View Post
    Households without kids are the ones that should be getting more tax credits/deductions. Unpopular opinion, I know.
    Don't think subsidizing not having kids is the path you want to take if you want to have a country.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Don't think subsidizing not having kids is the path you want to take if you want to have a country.
    It's a better alternative than not having a job and producing 4+ kids to collect welfare and tax refunds. A huge tax (state, at least) paid in Georgia goes towards schools and healthcare, both of which my wife and I benefit 0 from aside from our surrounding neighbors' children potentially becoming less moronic as they grow older. I suppose it's a trade.

    Also, subsidizing not having kids can limit the overpopulation we have especially with illegal immigration not coming to a halt. (That's another topic of oh mai gawd people are not reproducing enough VS. the we have 7.7 billion ****tards on earth and it's not sustainable in the future) Then again that could mean whites will be replaced even faster with foreigners.
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    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
    You folks seem to struggle with the fact that it's NOT FREE! And I shouldn't have to, and don't want to pay for it.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
    The line gets drawn wherever the person wants it drawn. And some people are drawing the line here.
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    Just lol at Bernie for thinking any amount of tax will pay for this s*** he is pushing.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    lol, it's funny that some people are so ill informed that they will be happy to pay MORE for it to have it for "free".
    Yet, they don’t see the irony in it. Happy little slaves for the establishment.
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    Originally Posted by djfuzzy View Post
    Norway does this, and I’m sure other Scandinavian countries do as well. The big trade off here is they get the everloving FUK taxed out of themselves.

    Edit: I’d rather have a program like this, that pays for a child’s future, than a program that pays for some POS college phaggots failure to pay for his education.
    Well, you get to pay for both and like it you chitlord

    I hope this isn't more of Bernies problematic racism when he says "American" children? No human is illegal and every child deserves free childcare regardless of immigration status
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    I think a more realistic option should just be allowing families to contribute more than 5k to a dependent care fsa. Let us use pretax dollars to pay for all of our childcare.

    I don’t trust the govt to run daycares. I pay a lot for my kids because the place is awesome, has great teachers and resources, and it is worth every penny. The govt will pay some poverty flat rate for all places and they will all turn in to **** holes.
    Lol at thinking the people supporting “free” daycare would put money aside for any kind of flex spending account. They don’t pay attention to the amount of taxes taken out, they just know they can sit at home, drink malt liquor and slowly die while their kids practically grow up in a public hellhole ie daycare
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    Just lol at Bernie for thinking any amount of tax will pay for this s*** he is pushing.
    Hell you could raid every single persons 401k and it still wouldn't pay for his ****, and that's a one time grab you would need to do that every 10 years.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Hell you could raid every single persons 401k and it still wouldn't pay for his ****, and that's a one time grab you would need to do that every 10 years.
    And I am sure that they have their eye on those 401Ks.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
    in this case I don't think so. I don't want kids, why should I pay for other's kids to go to school? I was home-schooled, so I never benefited from the system.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    And that's precisely why they will never invade us despite having such superior numbers.
    how many new taxes on billionaires will it take to fund all of this free stuff.

    Someone has to be keeping track of the massive bill he's planning to give taxpayers
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