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    Lightbulb Sanders reveals free childcare plan for preschoolers

    Not only is it a good idea, but can really help his popularity.

    https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders...ecde9bc5c.html

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders announced on CBS' "60 Minutes" Sunday a new plan to guarantee free child care and pre-kindergarten to all American children from infancy to age four.


    Details: In the wide-ranging interview, Sanders told Anderson Cooper he planned to pay for universal childcare with a wealth tax. "It's taxes on billionaires," he said.

    " I get a little bit tired of hearing my opponents saying — 'Gee, how you going to pay for a program that impacts and helps children or working-class families or middle-class families? How you going to pay for that?' And yet, where are people saying, 'How are you going to pay for over $750 billion on military spending?' How you going to pay for a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the 1% in large corporations which was what [President] Trump did? When you help the billionaires and you help Wall Street, 'Hey!' Of course we can pay for it. That's what America's supposed to be about.' Well, I disagree."
    — Sanders on "60 Minutes"

    Funding plans: Cooper pushed Sanders on how he plans to fund plans including Medicare for All, free public college, the Green New Deal and student debt cancelation.

    "Making public colleges and universities tuition free and cancelling all student debt ... We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation," Sanders said.

    "I can't rattle off to you ever nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for ... you talked about Medicare for All. We have options out there that will pay for it."

    What else he's saying: In the interview, Sanders also accepted when put to him by Cooper that he's now the Democratic frontrunner after he was projected to win the Nevada Democratic caucuses, calling the situation "a bit shocking."

    Sanders, who is due to turn 79 in September, defended concerns about his age and health following his heart attack last October, saying: "Being old has an advantage in the sense that the issues that I fight for are not new to me."

    Sanders also criticized 2020 Democratic rival Mike Bloomberg over his stop-and-frisk policy while New York mayor, calling the policy "horrifically racist." But he said he would back the billionaire if he were the eventual nominee.

    And he addressed his Senate achievement record, following criticism from other Democratic candidates.
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    Originally Posted by ezmac31 View Post
    Orange man bad. Freebies for all.
    Where do you draw the line of what qualifies as a freebie? Is public k-12 a freebie? Are emergency services freebies? Are tax breaks to RE developers freebies?
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Where do you draw the line of what qualifies as a freebie? Is public k-12 a freebie? Are emergency services freebies? Are tax breaks to RE developers freebies?
    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
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    Originally Posted by 4EqualRights View Post
    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
    Its all mental gymnastics to justify their preexisting belief.

    In a thread last week I had morons try to say student loan debt is something 17 and 18 year olds need to show personal accountability for (partially true) while also stating students and not school administrators were responsible for massive amounts of debt these schools have taken on over the past couple of decades. “Personal responsibility” only matters when it fits the narrative they want.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Its all mental gymnastics to justify their preexisting belief.

    In a thread last week I had morons try to say student loan debt is something 17 and 18 year olds need to show personal accountability for (partially true) while also stating students and not school administrators were responsible for massive amounts of debt these schools have taken on over the past couple of decades. “Personal responsibility” only matters when it fits the narrative they want.
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    Originally Posted by 4EqualRights View Post
    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
    Nobody told me government bad, corporation good.

    I have no school debt, and I should not have to pay someone else’s school debt.


    Now try again, and please make more sense this time.
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    Originally Posted by 4EqualRights View Post
    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
    I didn’t force you to have the kids you now want my tax dollars to fund watching. I didn’t force you to take that 60k loan for your art history degree you never completed. Why Should I be on the hook to pay absolvementofpersonalresponsibility tax? Am I going to get a refund on what I paid for my degree and all the daycare costs I’ve paid?

    Don’t worry I know the answer already
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Nobody told me government bad, corporation good.

    I have no school debt, and I should not have to pay someone else’s school debt.


    Now try again, and please make more sense this time.
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
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    Norway does this, and I’m sure other Scandinavian countries do as well. The big trade off here is they get the everloving FUK taxed out of themselves.

    Edit: I’d rather have a program like this, that pays for a child’s future, than a program that pays for some POS college phaggots failure to pay for his education.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Its all mental gymnastics to justify their preexisting belief.

    In a thread last week I had morons try to say student loan debt is something 17 and 18 year olds need to show personal accountability for (partially true) while also stating students and not school administrators were responsible for massive amounts of debt these schools have taken on over the past couple of decades. “Personal responsibility” only matters when it fits the narrative they want.
    I agree with you on student loans. That is a two way street, which involved predatory lending practices and horrible underwriting standards, if any were used at all. The conservatives on this board constantly go after, and blame debtors, when I see most of the responsibility on the creditors shoulders, since they are the ones who ultimately made the decision to make the horrible investments. The conservatives on this board, at least in regards to student loans, don't want there to be any risk involved from the creditors stand point. I think a lot of these guys also support corporate bailouts and subsidies, along with their obsession with tax cuts for the wealthy. I think over the years of posting here I find a lot more common ground with the left on certain economic policies, because they seem to reside closer with the working class rather than people like Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffet, who are essentially slave holding parasites.
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    Originally Posted by djfuzzy View Post
    Norway does this, and I’m sure other Scandinavian countries do as well. The big trade off here is they get the everloving FUK taxed out of themselves.

    Edit: I’d rather have a program like this, that pays for a child’s future, than a program that pays for some POS college phaggots failure to pay for his education.
    Should just make the school year longer. This summer vacation is BS these days. The only reason that started is so the kids could work the fields during the summer. There is no longer a need for that.
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    He's not wrong in that there is tons of money for this stuff if it was allocated properly.

    You guys spend almost 700 billion a year on military and that's all discretionary. I can't imagine free daycare for families would cost even 5% of that.

    Student loans I agree with - there should be partial forgiveness for people who choose to enter a stream that helps the economy. If you decide to get a Masters' in Art History, too bad. If you get a medical degree and are employed in the US, then you can have part of it forgiven. Subsidies for trade school could go along with that.
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    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    He's not wrong in that there is tons of money for this stuff if it was allocated properly.

    You guys spend almost 700 billion a year on military and that's all discretionary. I can't imagine free daycare for families would cost even 5% of that.
    What you talking about, bruh? We have millions to kill in the Middle East, and are working our way further east. Those trillion dollar military deficits are a need, not a want. Raytheon, NG, Lockheed, Boeing.......they are entitled to that money.

    We need our great military to destroy every country it doesn't like, forcing all their natives to migrant to the west, ultimately being enrolled in our social programs and hating the country at the same time for destroying their homelands.

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    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    He's not wrong in that there is tons of money for this stuff if it was allocated properly.

    You guys spend almost 700 billion a year on military and that's all discretionary. I can't imagine free daycare for families would cost even 5% of that.

    Student loans I agree with - there should be partial forgiveness for people who choose to enter a stream that helps the economy. If you decide to get a Masters' in Art History, too bad. If you get a medical degree and are employed in the US, then you can have part of it forgiven. Subsidies for trade school could go along with that.
    One is a function of the federal government as laid out in the Constitution, and the other is not.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
    People without kids should NOT pay school tax. For example, my kids would go to private school or home schooled, thus I should NOT pay for my corrupt over-priced school district, I do not consent, my town school is terrible.

    Fire departments are private and/or voluntary in most places, and great many towns have NO fire department at all. Personal responsibility. If you want protection from fire, buy the service of the department. If you don’t, don’t. Like home owners insurance, not required, want to risk? Ok, want to pay? Ok. Personal decision of the home owner.

    People who use infrastructure obviously must pay for it, if one never uses any bus, car, train etc. then obviously one should not pay for it.

    People who don’t approve of US military actions abroad should NOT have to pay for it. Consent of the governed is needed.

    The line you keep looking for fruitlessly is a very very simple line, you’re either a sane person aka libertarian, or a statist aka a moron, THAT is the line. YOU should have control of your energy and stored energy (Aka money)
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    Originally Posted by oldandintheway View Post
    Here’s a novel idea......don’t have kids until you can afford kids. I’ll add.....you won’t get a benefit increase if you have more kids while on welfare
    You probably also are screeching “why is the white birthrate so low reeeeee”
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    But it’s okay for people without kids to pay for public primary education? People whose houses don’t catch on fire to pay to fund the fire department for others? People without cars having to pay to support infrastructure? People who have no interest in supporting our bloated military having to foot that bill? Where does the line get drawn outside of “this is how’s its always been so anything more is socialism” ?
    Public primary education is a minimum to kickstart any human being into a functioning member of a society which is in everyones interest. Fire will spread and damage nearby goods, and it's silly to think a single person/family could contain house fire. Infrastructure is actually needed for other public services and necessities to arrive to you whether you have a car or not. Constitution gives Congress the right to raise armed forces - military has been a necessity throughout history to remain a sovereign nation. Whether it's bloated or not is another story.

    Forcing us to pay for other adults personal choices (college debt) is downright stupid. College degree is not a necessity, and if you can't pay your own debt afterwards means you have taken a degree with no demand - takes a day or two to research such major decision.

    Regarding Bernies idea - healthcare for infants and children is actually a great idea.
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    Originally Posted by 4EqualRights View Post
    They can't answer this one. They can't understand the benefits of things like free childcare and student loan cancellation because they've been told "government bad, corporation good". Student loan debt in particular is ridiculous right now and pretty much stifles innovation and the economy due to people having to pay off this chit they got sold while still in high school.
    Lol at thinking anything is "free". Someone always foots the bill and if by some snowball's chance in Hell Sanders wins, after the first year or 2 after he's taxed the hell out of the super wealthy and they all leave then who's he going to tax? Who's going to foot the bill then?
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    I actually like the free childcare idea. That could save families thousands of dollars a year. Daycare is expensive AF.

    I think that has a more realistic shot at being implemented over the debt forgiveness and healthcare for all.
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    Free daycare, free college, free healthcare for both citizens and illegals and the green new deal will all be payed for by a “modest” tax on Wall Street.

    Does anyone actually believe that?
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    One is a function of the federal government as laid out in the Constitution, and the other is not.
    You should probably look up the meaning of the word "discretionary".

    All I'm saying is that military funding is ridiculous in your country. It's over double the amount China spends and they have 3 times your population.
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    Originally Posted by zinkhan99 View Post
    Just a modest tax on Wall Street guys and we can have free everything
    The hardest thing for me to figure out is why we haven’t done this sooner.


    Medicare for all = 3 trillion per year

    Current student loan debt = 1.5 trillion

    Annual cost of college = 0.5 trillion(would go up if everyone could go)

    Early child care = 42 billion per year

    Green New Deal = 9 trillion per year



    Amount of money in the stock market = 30 trillion




    So with the stock market at an all time high you’d have to tax every dollar in it at 30+% to even get close to paying for his plan. And that’s not considering that his policies would wreck the economy and markets, which would mean that the funds wouldn’t be available afterwards.



    But hey guys, he said it would just take a modest tax and I’m sure he wouldn’t lie about it.
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    Originally Posted by WoofieNugget View Post
    You should probably look up the meaning of the word "discretionary".

    All I'm saying is that military funding is ridiculous in your country. It's over double the amount China spends and they have 3 times your population.
    And that's precisely why they will never invade us despite having such superior numbers.
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