Sanders reveals free childcare plan for preschoolers

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

Free daycare, free college, free healthcare for both citizens and illegals and the green new deal will all be payed for by a “modest” tax on Wall Street.

Does anyone actually believe that?

It blows my minds that Bernie supporters don't realize this. The amount of money required to actually do this kind of stuff has to be astronomical. Wall St. isn't going to foot that bill by itself.

brb getting 45% of your paycheck taxed.

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It blows my minds that Bernie supporters don't realize this.

It blows my mind that able minded American adults that are one generation removed from the Cold War and the Cuban Revolution can vote for a fukking self proclaimed socialist. So you can go ahead and stop with the logic at that point.

[WoofieNugget]

It blows my minds that Bernie supporters don't realize this. The amount of money required to actually do this kind of stuff has to be astronomical. Wall St. isn't going to foot that bill by itself.

brb getting 45% of your paycheck taxed.

Some people would be happy to have that tax rate if it meant they didn't pay out of pocket for daycare, college and healthcare. And with deductions and refunds it comes out to far less than that. For example, Norway starts by charging 45% but with deductions annually it comes out to an average of 25. They also charge a deductible on health care up to a certain amount which helps supplement the system.

Free daycare = happy parents. Free college = happy people just over voting age. Free healthcare = happy seniors and anyone basically over 50. It's a briliant election strategy, really. Also implemented successfully in many other countries.

[JoshSP1985]

Just in time for both my kinds to be out of preschool, at least they'll get the hitch a ride on the free college train but then it'll also be devalued to the point that it's just high school V2 so #fun

[chaunce54]

Some people would be happy to have that tax rate if it meant they didn't pay out of pocket for daycare, college and healthcare. And with deductions and refunds it comes out to far less than that. For example, Norway starts by charging 45% but with deductions annually it comes out to an average of 25. They also charge a deductible on health care up to a certain amount which helps supplement the system.

Free daycare = happy parents. Free college = happy people just over voting age. Free healthcare = happy seniors and anyone basically over 50. It's a briliant election strategy, really. Also implemented successfully in many other countries.

lol, it's funny that some people are so ill informed that they will be happy to pay MORE for it to have it for "free".

[Random260]

Some people would be happy to have that tax rate if it meant they didn't pay out of pocket for daycare, college and healthcare. And with deductions and refunds it comes out to far less than that. For example, Norway starts by charging 45% but with deductions annually it comes out to an average of 25. They also charge a deductible on health care up to a certain amount which helps supplement the system.

Free daycare = happy parents. Free college = happy people just over voting age. Free healthcare = happy seniors and anyone basically over 50. It's a briliant election strategy, really. Also implemented successfully in many other countries.

And what happens if we dont have kids and are not students and arr not elderly. Also why dont you go live in europe if you love it so much

[JoshSP1985]

Where do you draw the line of what qualifies as a freebie? Is public k-12 a freebie? Are emergency services freebies? Are tax breaks to RE developers freebies?

How about draw the line on what can be afforded with a priority on constitutionally authorized spending?

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And what happens if we dont have kids and are not students and arr not elderly. Also why dont you go live in europe if you love it so much

You get to pay for everyone else. Its socialism. Thats how it works. You pay for the benefit of the whole. And then you pay some more.

[JoshSP1985]

Amount of money in the stock market = 30 trillion

So with the stock market at an all time high you’d have to tax every dollar in it at 30+% to even get close to paying for his plan. And that’s not considering that his policies would wreck the economy and markets, which would mean that the funds wouldn’t be available afterwards.

But hey guys, he said it would just take a modest tax and I’m sure he wouldn’t lie about it.

Also wouldn't that kind of tax on the market cause people to seek other investments which would just defeat the purpose in the first place?

[jtaylor2010]

I actually like the free childcare idea. That could save families thousands of dollars a year. Daycare is expensive AF.

I think that has a more realistic shot at being implemented over the debt forgiveness and healthcare for all.

Sounds great on paper and there would be good and has aspects, but I’m not sure it would be a net positive. There would still be private daycare centers because there are tons of people who wouldn’t send their kids to one of these free public daycares(I’m actually scared to think about what it would be like in one). For the poor it may be better than having the kid in their crappy home environment, but for plenty I’m sure it wouldn’t. Then you have to think about the people who have kids before they can afford it. Not the best decision makers, so there’s no reason to expect the money they save would be put to good use. Obviously this is a big country and some people would benefit greatly from it while others wouldn’t....I’m just thinking of it from an overall picture. Then you get into the aspect of indoctrinating kids even younger than we already do. The leftists drool over the “cradle to grave” concept and would love to lower the age of influence even more. Again, some would benefit from it...but when you do some very basic thought experiments to imagine how it plays out in the real world it doesn’t seem as appealing as the initial reaction leads a person to believe.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

It blows my mind that able minded American adults that are one generation removed from the Cold War and the Cuban Revolution can vote for a fukking self proclaimed socialist. So you can go ahead and stop with the logic at that point.

lol, touche.

Some people would be happy to have that tax rate if it meant they didn't pay out of pocket for daycare, college and healthcare. And with deductions and refunds it comes out to far less than that. For example, Norway starts by charging 45% but with deductions annually it comes out to an average of 25. They also charge a deductible on health care up to a certain amount which helps supplement the system.

Free daycare = happy parents. Free college = happy people just over voting age. Free healthcare = happy seniors and anyone basically over 50. It's a briliant election strategy, really. Also implemented successfully in many other countries.

I can understand that, but that isn't "free". And while some people would be fine with paying that, there are other people who decide not to go to college, and not have kids. so a majority of that tax they are paying isn't helping them. I definitely agree with you that its a great strategy and election tactic, but I think implementation will be a wake up to America.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

Sounds great on paper and there would be good and has aspects, but I’m not sure it would be a net positive. There would still be private daycare centers because there are tons of people who wouldn’t send their kids to one of these free public daycares(I’m actually scared to think about what it would be like in one). For the poor it may be better than having the kid in their crappy home environment, but for plenty I’m sure it wouldn’t. Then you have to think about the people who have kids before they can afford it. Not the best decision makers, so there’s no reason to expect the money they save would be put to good use. Obviously this is a big country and some people would benefit greatly from it while others wouldn’t....I’m just thinking of it from an overall picture. Then you get into the aspect of indoctrinating kids even younger than we already do. The leftists drool over the “cradle to grave” concept and would love to lower the age of influence even more. Again, some would benefit from it...but when you do some very basic thought experiments to imagine how it plays out in the real world it doesn’t seem as appealing as the initial reaction leads a person to believe.

Yeah you can look at it many different ways for sure. One point I definitely agree with you on is the quality of these public daycares. They would be over crowded for sure. Not to mention I'm sure there would be a lot of lazy parents who send their kids to daycare just because it's free, and they can sit home and rot all day. There would have to be a lot of thought that goes into it. A lot of would benefit, many wouldn't, but that be said about many things.

[rampagefc77]

I actually like the free childcare idea. That could save families thousands of dollars a year. Daycare is expensive AF.

I think that has a more realistic shot at being implemented over the debt forgiveness and healthcare for all.

I think a more realistic option should just be allowing families to contribute more than 5k to a dependent care fsa. Let us use pretax dollars to pay for all of our childcare.

I don’t trust the govt to run daycares. I pay a lot for my kids because the place is awesome, has great teachers and resources, and it is worth every penny. The govt will pay some poverty flat rate for all places and they will all turn in to **** holes.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

I think a more realistic option should just be allowing families to contribute more than 5k to a dependent care fsa. Let us use pretax dollars to pay for all of our childcare.

I don’t trust the govt to run daycares. I pay a lot for my kids because the place is awesome, has great teachers and resources, and it is worth every penny. The govt will pay some poverty flat rate for all places and they will all turn in to **** holes.

Definitely a concern, I briefly touched on the quality above. I would assume it would be like having Public and Private schools. There are public daycares for most, and the private ones are available for parents who can afford it and want better.

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I think a more realistic option should just be allowing families to contribute more than 5k to a dependent care fsa. Let us use pretax dollars to pay for all of our childcare.

I don’t trust the govt to run daycares. I pay a lot for my kids because the place is awesome, has great teachers and resources, and it is worth every penny. The govt will pay some poverty flat rate for all places and they will all turn in to **** holes.

Of course. There is a lesson there: Anything thats free isn't worth a chit.

[Dave22reborn]

I agree with you on student loans. That is a two way street, which involved predatory lending practices and horrible underwriting standards, if any were used at all. The conservatives on this board constantly go after, and blame debtors, when I see most of the responsibility on the creditors shoulders, since they are the ones who ultimately made the decision to make the horrible investments. The conservatives on this board, at least in regards to student loans, don't want there to be any risk involved from the creditors stand point. I think a lot of these guys also support corporate bailouts and subsidies, along with their obsession with tax cuts for the wealthy. I think over the years of posting here I find a lot more common ground with the left on certain economic policies, because they seem to reside closer with the working class rather than people like Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffet, who are essentially slave holding parasites.

Do any of these students have parents?

[Dave22reborn]

Hey Tammy, what else should be "feee?"

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Hey Tammy, what else should be "feee?"

He/she will give away everything, because he/she is a foreigner and will pay for none of it. So he/she can fuk right off with his/her opinions.

[northernlights7]

Should just make the school year longer. This summer vacation is BS these days. The only reason that started is so the kids could work the fields during the summer. There is no longer a need for that.

I tend to agree with this. From my understanding, Japan for example doesn't have a "summer recess" at all. That's 3 more months a year of schooling. Apply that to K-12 schooling in the U.S., and that's literally another 3.25 years worth of schooling they'd be getting.

I could see making some sort of compromise on the summer times, though. Summer vacation from school could be more like 2 months, or 1 1/2 months so families can still have some summer plans with their kids if they want. But 3 months? By the time I was in middle school, my summers basically amounted to 3 months of wasting time hanging outside with my friends and playing video games.

At least back then when I was in middle/high school, all the other kids my age I hung out with spent a large portion of the time when the weather was nice inadvertently excercising all the time. Biking around, roller blading, pickup games of basketball/street hockey/backyard football, general bs just running around the neighborhood, you name it. Video games and TV were issues with technology making kids fat back then, sure. But it was nothing like it is today with every kid having 1-2 mobile smart internet devices to carry around with then 24/7 on top of everything we had back then to waste our time on. And people seriously wonder why kids are getting so fat these days lol.

[rampagefc77]

So has beenieasked the billions if they are personally willing to fund daycare, education, healthcare, illegal immigrants, etc for the rest of us?

Seeing as how now all of our billionaires are broke and we haven’t paid for a fraction of these programs, who is the next to pay?

[iabs]

What you talking about, bruh? We have millions to kill in the Middle East, and are working our way further east. Those trillion dollar military deficits are a need, not a want. Raytheon, NG, Lockheed, Boeing.......they are entitled to that money.

We need our great military to destroy every country it doesn't like, forcing all their natives to migrant to the west, ultimately being enrolled in our social programs and hating the country at the same time for destroying their homelands.

Just lol.

Foreign policy for dummies: the US military protects the world’s shipping lines and in return the world uses the USD to buy and sell products and services thus allowing you and I to benefit from our juggernaut economy.

[SaltyDog920]

Damn, libs really trying to buy votes by confiscating OPM this election cycle.

[OPGenesis]

Foreign policy for dummies: the US military protects the world’s shipping lines and in return the world uses the USD to buy and sell products and services thus allowing you and I to benefit from our juggernaut economy.

I don't benefit, you retard.

Go read a book.

[BuckNakedinBama]

Great, let's let the state be the nannies for our kids as soon as they're born. Let people just pop out a kid, grab the welfare increase, and stick that kid in day-care from day 1. What could possibly go wrong?

[WoofieNugget]

lol, it's funny that some people are so ill informed that they will be happy to pay MORE for it to have it for "free".

You're suggesting that the majority of voters are informed at all, which is usually the opposite. All they see is "free stuff!" or "we need to protect ourselves!" or "immigrants are ruining our country!".

[Dave22reborn]

Sboud daycare be "free?"

[OPGenesis]

Great, let's let the state be the nannies for our kids as soon as they're born. Let people just pop out a kid, grab the welfare increase, and stick that kid in day-care from day 1. What could possibly go wrong?

I don't know, maybe hollow out the economy, forcing the mother to go into the workforce to compete with global plantation, leaving parents in a bind.

We already have a giant public daycare anyways. It's called the public school system.

[WoofieNugget]

I tend to agree with this. From my understanding, Japan for example doesn't have a "summer recess" at all. That's 3 more months a year of schooling. Apply that to K-12 schooling in the U.S., and that's literally another 3.25 years worth of schooling they'd be getting.

Except then you would have teachers demanding 25% more pay because they are actually working full time. In my country between PD days, holidays and breaks teachers barely work 180 days a year and still have really good salaries. I'm willing to bet you would see a massive drop in teacher college enrollment.

I'm not saying teachers don't work hard, but they work 20% less days than anyone who works 50 weeks a year.

[jeffl1980]

Where do you draw the line of what qualifies as a freebie? Is public k-12 a freebie? Are emergency services freebies? Are tax breaks to RE developers freebies?

Why should anyone including the government have to pay for the childcare of Javier and his 5 kids?

Why should anyone be responsible for Cletus and his 5 kids down at the trailer park?

When is Janiqua going to be held responsible for her 5 kids that she had while on welfare, knowing she can't care for them on her own?

How much of my taxes and others in the upper middle class have to give up to go towards free heathcare, climate change, daycare......etc?

[jeffl1980]

You probably also are screeching “why is the white birthrate so low reeeeee”

Maybe white people are learning that it's smarter to have kids once they have their education and have a structured home in place?

Unfortunately this will never catch on....... Because free EVERYTHING.