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    White Bread/Enriched Products vs Sugar

    Are they the same? Do they act the same in the body? If not, which is worse for you?
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    Originally Posted by MyBaddBrah View Post
    Are they the same? Do they act the same in the body? If not, which is worse for you?
    Are they the same? No, they're different foods.

    Do they act the same? In some ways yes, in some ways no.

    Which is worse?... Well, without context, nobody can say.



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    In general, refined grains are better than sugar. White bread is typically fortified with some nutrients and sugar is 50% fructose (nasty stuff).
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    Originally Posted by MyBaddBrah View Post
    Are they the same? Do they act the same in the body? If not, which is worse for you?
    What kind of sugars? For whom? How active are they? What's the rest of their diet?

    Without any context no one can answer this.

    And no fructose is not nasty stuff. It's totally fine in moderation.
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    After cane gets refined, then refined again, thats the last of the bi product that can be marketed. Same goes for wheat, the white bread is the last product left after the good things get removed from the wheat. Hence the need to "enrich" it.

    White sugar is toxic for your body. It also wastes reserves filtering it out. White table salt and food thats loaded with it is pretty bad too.
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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    After cane gets refined, then refined again, thats the last of the bi product that can be marketed. Same goes for wheat, the white bread is the last product left after the good things get removed from the wheat. Hence the need to "enrich" it.

    White sugar is toxic for your body. It also wastes reserves filtering it out. White table salt and food thats loaded with it is pretty bad too.
    Toxicity is dose-dependent
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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    White sugar is toxic for your body.
    No.

    Sugar in moderation has no negative effects on health.

    Excessive sugar does but the same goes for excessive water.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    No.

    Sugar in moderation has no negative effects on health.

    Excessive sugar does but the same goes for excessive water.
    Moderation varies from person to person. A soda, two, a donut, a dozen?

    If the immune system is busy, its open to other things, like bacteria even if temporary. so yes it can effect health. Sugar throws it out of whack. Some to others, more to others.

    I don't worry to much. I'm sure a little bit is OK.
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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    If the immune system is busy, its open to other things, like bacteria even if temporary.
    That's really not how the immune system works. The immune system can handle a lot of different insults at the same time.
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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    Moderation varies from person to person. A soda, two, a donut, a dozen?

    If the immune system is busy, its open to other things, like bacteria even if temporary. so yes it can effect health. Sugar throws it out of whack. Some to others, more to others.

    I don't worry to much. I'm sure a little bit is OK.
    Find me one person on the planet who would consider a dozen donuts 'moderation'.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Find me one person on the planet who would consider a dozen donuts 'moderation'.
    A while back I went to Krispy Kreme and ordered 2 dozen donuts and a cup of coffee. I was clearly by myself. The cashier asked “is that for here or to go?”
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    A while back I went to Krispy Kreme and ordered 2 dozen donuts and a cup of coffee. I was clearly by myself. The cashier asked “is that for here or to go?”
    I hope you allowed for a long pause to show you were truly considering staying to finish the lot.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Find me one person on the planet who would consider a dozen donuts 'moderation'.
    I was asking. Because rational to one person, is irrational to the next. A donut or a dozen, I was more or less asking what they considered "moderation".

    A tbs of sugar or half a cup?

    That cleared up. Toxic is toxic. Taken to the point of experiencing any ill effect due to reaching a level of of toxicity is another matter. Not the question.

    Thats like saying one or two cigarettes is "ok". Also, thats merely an opinion some may share. That doesn't make it fact.

    If you dose up on a little sugar and throw white blood cells off and catch a cold. As slight as that is, its still a a negative result.

    White refined sugar is considered toxic to your body. Otherwise your immune system wouldn't waste resources clearing it out of your body.

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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    I was asking. Because rational to one person, is irrational to the next. A donut or a dozen, I was more or less asking what they considered "moderation".

    A tbs of sugar or half a cup?

    That cleared up. Toxic is toxic. Taken to the point of experiencing any ill effect due to reaching a level of of toxicity is another matter. Not the question.

    Thats like saying one or two cigarettes is "ok". Also, thats merely an opinion some may share. That doesn't make it fact.

    If you dose up on a little sugar and throw white blood cells off and catch a cold. As slight as that is, its still a a negative result.

    White refined sugar is considered toxic to your body. Otherwise your immune system wouldn't waste resources clearing it out of your body.

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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    Otherwise your immune system wouldn't waste resources clearing it out of your body.
    Your immune system does nothing to refined sugar. For one thing, sugar is too small to provoke a response unless it is covalently bound to a larger molecule.
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    Originally Posted by sthooligan View Post
    I was asking. Because rational to one person, is irrational to the next. A donut or a dozen, I was more or less asking what they considered "moderation".

    A tbs of sugar or half a cup?

    That cleared up. Toxic is toxic. Taken to the point of experiencing any ill effect due to reaching a level of of toxicity is another matter. Not the question.

    Thats like saying one or two cigarettes is "ok". Also, thats merely an opinion some may share. That doesn't make it fact.

    If you dose up on a little sugar and throw white blood cells off and catch a cold. As slight as that is, its still a a negative result.

    White refined sugar is considered toxic to your body. Otherwise your immune system wouldn't waste resources clearing it out of your body.

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    This is one of the most nonsensical posts i've ever read on this forum.
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    Now I don't know what to believe. Study results all over the net or whats typed in forums hm.
    This may come as a shocker but not everything you find online is accurate.

    If you want to discuss studies post the pubmed link.

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    Find me one person on the planet who would consider a dozen donuts 'moderation'.
    Someone is not, a careful reader.

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