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02-16-2020, 02:07 PM #121
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02-16-2020, 02:09 PM #122
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02-16-2020, 02:13 PM #123
Certainly specialty medicine (like ER) would take pay cuts for the most part. But isn't the thought that ER use would decrease because M4A would require more MD's to choose family med? There would be an increased demand, and internal med might even see pay increases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/o...alth-care.htmlI offer my opponents a bargain. If they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them.
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02-16-2020, 02:39 PM #124
Single payer doesn't have to be set up as $0 cost at point of service nor does it have to be government owned and run healthcare.
People with insurance now have to pay for services. I don't think it would be that complicated to have a co-pay that varies for GP vs. urgent care vs. ER.
TIA.
Giving people age 50 an older the option to enroll in Medicare or use private insurance would be a fairly moderate change that could help a lot of people. I expect it could actually increase overall economic growth because it would discourage employers from avoiding older workers and would also allow older workers to retire at a younger age or move on to a "second act".
Same argument applies for a lot of things. You don't want to pay for the "those people". Understandable. However "we" pay one way or another. We can fiddle around with how much is paid and who pays it. Short of just rounding people up and shooting them en masse though it's gonna cost you.
Would universal coverage spike the demand for care? Of course it would because more people = more care needed. That doesn't mean it will cost that much more overall.
I don't disagree that there are some people that abuse the ER. I still think that if there were a reasonable charge (higher than a GP, or urgent care) the overall ER utilization is likely to go down. Right now if you go to a GP or urgent care they demand payment up front before they see you so then people who don't have insurance (or the means to pay full price right this minute) go to an ER to be seen.
I suspect reducing ER visits at the county hospital or private hospitals that have to write off those bills is a good chunk of the savings.INTP Crew
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02-16-2020, 03:14 PM #125
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02-16-2020, 03:35 PM #128
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Sounds like some navigation issues more than anything. We also had multiple situations related to drugs/coverage where we had to deal with insurance. It sounds like your friend likely wasn't advocating for himself very well.
There are definitely a lot of room for improvement within US healthcare that doesn' rely on M4A to resolve.*PUREBLOOD CREW*
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02-16-2020, 03:59 PM #129
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02-16-2020, 04:33 PM #131anonymousGuest
Are you saying that the Canadian system isn't amazing, fast and free?
When my Canadian fam came over while my wife had her cancer surgery they were amazed at the littlest things, like free parking at the hospital or that my wife got a genuinely delicious steak dinner on her overnight and that the surgery and hospital stay was all "free" because we'd met our deductible.
Having lived in several countries with muh "free" I'm so grateful to have been able to come to murrica since muh free is the stuff of nightmares compared to our PPO plan.
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02-16-2020, 04:37 PM #132
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02-16-2020, 05:03 PM #133
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I’m glad to see there is some respect for the law of supply and demand somewhere ITT..
As well as reality cost compared to other nations...
I made this arguments in another thread where a poster was trying to care the cost per capita the US is already paying compared to European (4200 or something I believe ) nations.
Intelligent individuals learn from every thing and every one; average people, from their experiences. The stupid already have all the answers.
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02-16-2020, 05:07 PM #134
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02-16-2020, 06:52 PM #136anonymousGuest
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02-17-2020, 09:45 AM #140
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02-17-2020, 09:55 AM #141
That's because those Canadians come here for medical treatment shill.
LAWL you are so mad.
hahaha!
careful old man, you need to watch your blood pressure.
good thing you have american health care.
if you lived in canada you might die waiting to see a specialist after you give yourself a stroke reeeeing.
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02-17-2020, 09:56 AM #142
Ask many doctor's offices who accept medicare/medicaid and see how "efficient" they are. Some healthcare providers don't accept them because they take forever to pay - or don't ever pay.
I'll say it again as I always do when healthcare comes up.
-Normal health checks, shots, got a cold, broken bone? You pay out of pocket with traditional insurance.
-Catastrophic event, paralyzed, cancer, crazy ass accident or something, you're covered.
ERs always get flooded with nonsense because it's "free":
https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-06-90-00180.pdf
Over one-half to two-thirds of Medicaid emergency room visits are non-emergency. Medicaid recipients continue to use the emergency room for non-emergency care."We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -Will Durant
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02-17-2020, 09:57 AM #143
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02-17-2020, 10:11 AM #144
You, and all the other "I have my health insurance, fuk everyone else" should re-read this:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1597862581
Edit: And fuking lol at everyone who supports paying for insurance company middlemen who get to decide whether your health costs get covered. Just fuking LOL
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02-17-2020, 10:18 AM #145
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02-17-2020, 10:19 AM #146
No they don't. My wife is a pediatric hem onc and she dreads this. There aren't enough physicians for this to work and everyone knows it. The backlog of people that there is for med school doesn't mean **** because you have people that don't even match at the end of their training. These are doctors ready for pgy1 that can't get work somewhere they want to be for a salary they'll take. Adding more patients at a lower reimbursement rate doesn't mean a thing if hospitals are already tapped out on resources. You're not getting more doctors because it's not in the budget now and it definitely won't be when you're bringing in less money
Oh yeah #4? Doctors don't fill out billing information. That's just a ****ing lie
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02-17-2020, 10:20 AM #147
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02-17-2020, 10:20 AM #148
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02-17-2020, 10:59 AM #149
And you should read this.
https://mises.org/wire/how-governmen...e-so-expensive^^Former 300+lb Crew^^
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02-17-2020, 11:25 AM #150anonymousGuest
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