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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    he stole the guns. He wasn't allowed to have them. Why are you so anti truth?
    Yes I know. The point clearly went over your head.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    We know what you really think.
    Lol at thinking youre going to get an actual opinion out of tammy.

    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    Once is too much...
    This. Restricting rights without due process.

    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Keep in mind these aren't random people off the street. They're people who have raised 'red flags'.

    A 23-year-old man who posted on Facebook, “I don’t know why I don’t go on a killing spree.” A West Palm Beach couple who shot up their home while high on cocaine. A 31-year-old Gulf Coast man who pointed a semiautomatic rifle at a motorcyclist.

    All four Florida residents had their guns taken away by judges under a “red flag” law the state passed three weeks after authorities say a mentally disturbed man killed 17 people in a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland two years ago Friday.



    People who support an unfettered right to bear arms regardless are basically saying someone like this guy's right's:



    are more important than their safety:



    Gun Control will continue to be implemented in the US in the name of public safety. They are now studying gun violence so they will have better idea of what policies may be effective and which aren't.
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    Have any politicians made predictions of how their policies will change gun crime statistics in the future?

    With all the "clearly we must do X" talk I would assume that Liberals would want equally clear predictions so they can hold their elected officials accountable.
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    Originally Posted by nosirrahx View Post
    Have any politicians made predictions of how their policies will change gun crime statistics in the future?

    With all the "clearly we must do X" talk I would assume that Liberals would want equally clear predictions so they can hold their elected officials accountable.
    After a 20-year drought, US lawmakers fund gun violence research
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    Tammy's negs are always the most hilarious. And telling...

    Thread: Florida 'red flag' gun...
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    After a 20-year drought, US lawmakers fund gun violence research
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/...cdc-nih-dickey
    No, I am asking if something like this happens:

    "Guns are such a clear problem that by implementing measure A statistics X, Y and Z will be reduced by B% over C years."

    If the research is based on reality instead of thoughts and prayers it should be easy to make predictions. To me this seems like the best possible evidence that gun laws matter. Make a prediction, it comes true, boom.

    If not, it kind of looks like politicians are hoping for coincidence and cherry picking statistics/creative interpretation to make their attacks on the 2nd amendment seem valid.
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    Originally Posted by nosirrahx View Post
    No, I am asking if something like this happens:

    "Guns are such a clear problem that by implementing measure A statistics X, Y and Z will be reduced by B% over C years."

    If the research is based on reality instead of thoughts and prayers it should be easy to make predictions. To me this seems like the best possible evidence that gun laws matter. Make a prediction, it comes true, boom.

    If not, it kind of looks like politicians are hoping for coincidence and cherry picking statistics/creative interpretation to make their attacks on the 2nd amendment seem valid.
    It probably won't be that easy but you'll see them eventually. The unique gun violence problem in the United States is unprecedented (including mass shootings frequency, gang violence and children dying by gunshot). The overall problem, and why the US situation is worse than the rest of the world, is because of the amount of guns in the country. Accompanied with other things like divisiveness, mental illness and a capitalist society and you have a recipe for the situation that exists today.

    Also the CDC was prevented from studying gun violence for twenty years by republican politicians and their NRA overlords. Had it been studied, the fatalities would likely reduce just as they did by studying car accident fatalities. Today cars are safer than ever before and fatalities had dropped significantly.

    They will be studying gun violence now, and you will begin seeing studies that are show data that corresponds with reasonable and effective gun control measures. Then they can be tested and analyzed in real life to see if the results match the hypothesis (this is policy-making).
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    It probably won't be that easy but you'll see them eventually.
    Just out of curiosity, do you understand that reading this makes me uninterested in anything you said after?

    You gave an excuse instead of answering a yes/no question with a yes or a no. This signals that you are uninterested in facts and accountability so I just don't care about whatever you said after.

    Studies after the fact can be manipulated and coincidence and its easy to avoid focusing on areas where gun laws have done nothing.

    If this was more than "Guns make people more Conservative so lets attack them." then law makers could make accurate predictions about future statistics due to their new policies having direct known effects.
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    Originally Posted by twovalvekid View Post
    Tammy's negs are always the most hilarious. And telling...

    Thread: Florida 'red flag' gun...
    stfu fukin mule. Maybe buy a real car.
    They kind of are. "I neg but don't reply because you challenged me in a way I was not prepared for."

    In my neg he claims that I am being emotional. Do politicians promise or fail to promise results when they enact new gun legislation? Apparently pointing out that politicians get away with promising nothing when they enact such ... "clearly needed anti-gun measures" ... is emotional.

    Pro tip tambourine:

    kids got shot, ban guns <- emotional
    politicians do not promise that their gun reform will stop kids from getting shot because they themselves have no faith in this <- fact

    Like it or not if issue were as easy to define and deal with as the left insinuates then politicians would be screaming their "definitely going to happen" predictions at the top of their lungs as to firmly affix their name to this cause and effect.

    They don't, because that would backfire catastrophically. Why? Because people wanting to kill people is the actual issue and you cannot legislate that issue away by attacking the method.
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    This probably saved a lot of lives.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    It probably won't be that easy but you'll see them eventually. The unique gun violence problem in the United States is unprecedented (including mass shootings frequency, gang violence and children dying by gunshot). The overall problem, and why the US situation is worse than the rest of the world, is because of the amount of guns in the country. Accompanied with other things like divisiveness, mental illness and a capitalist society and you have a recipe for the situation that exists today.

    Also the CDC was prevented from studying gun violence for twenty years by republican politicians and their NRA overlords. Had it been studied, the fatalities would likely reduce just as they did by studying car accident fatalities. Today cars are safer than ever before and fatalities had dropped significantly.

    They will be studying gun violence now, and you will begin seeing studies that are show data that corresponds with reasonable and effective gun control measures. Then they can be tested and analyzed in real life to see if the results match the hypothesis (this is policy-making).
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    This probably saved a lot of lives.
    Probably...

    Well hell, that's good enough for me, **** The 2nd Amendment!
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    This probably saved a lot of lives.
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    Probably...

    Well hell, that's good enough for me, **** The 2nd Amendment!
    In Hope v. State (2016), the Connecticut Appellate Court concluded that the state's firearm removal law does not violate the Second Amendment because "it does not restrict the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of their homes.".

    In Davis v. Gilchrist County Sheriff's Office (2019), the Florida First District Court of Appeal also rejected a challenge to Florida's red-flag law, holding that the law is constitutional and does not violate the right to due process.
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    Originally Posted by NKWulf View Post
    we going Minority Report in this bish!
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    This does give credence to those that said the authorities purposely didn't go after the kid before the school shooting despite him being on their radar and should have been...was because they were using him for a much larger outcome. Sad.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    In Hope v. State (2016), the Connecticut Appellate Court concluded that the state's firearm removal law does not violate the Second Amendment because "it does not restrict the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of their homes.".

    In Davis v. Gilchrist County Sheriff's Office (2019), the Florida First District Court of Appeal also rejected a challenge to Florida's red-flag law, holding that the law is constitutional and does not violate the right to due process.
    Shall not be infringed...
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    Shall not be infringed...
    Doesn't violate for the purpose...

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    it does not restrict the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms

    Somebody filing a malicious or spurious report would be the violator.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Doesn't violate for the purpose...

    Reread:
    it does not restrict the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms

    Somebody filing a malicious or spurious report would be the violator.
    We will not comply...
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    we will not comply...
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    Originally Posted by greatoldone View Post
    lol
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