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    Question To cut or to bulk? (Pics included)

    Hey hoping to get some advice regarding whether or not to continue attempting a bulk or to cut down and start from there.

    I'm 20 and currently weigh 175 at 5'11, I originally weighed 240 in 2016 but lost it through dieting, cardio, etc in about a year. It seems now I've got a good bit of leftover fat on the stomach/moobs.
    I began weight lifting with some previous knowledge from HS and just learning as much as I can, and began doing it 3 days a week full split in the start of early 2019, stopping for a few months during holidays, and now resuming, and I am at a loss if I should try to bulk up and then cut down, or vice versa. Could anyone throw me some advice regarding my physique, be much appreciated!
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    Cut, you still have what appears to be fat (unless it was very loose skin).

    Be sure that your diet is where you want it to be. Is your goal to essentially loose fat or are you trying to loose muscle? You can do both if that is your plan, but you need a plan down on how you will go about it.

    When I first cut down from being overweight as a teen it took me the longest to get my stomach and chest fat gone (same is happening now for me).

    What helps the most is if your diet is really on point, you're not going overboard with cardio, and your deficit, and you're adjusting as you keep loosing weight.
    Just keep on going.
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    Continue to cut. Continue to lift. Get a minimum of .7 of protein per pound of body weight. Prosper.

    Good progress. Keep it up!
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    Congrats on the weight loss!

    1) If you're progressing on your lifts during a cut then 100% keep cutting. This is the holy grail..

    2) if you're not progressing on your lifts but aren't tired of dieting then keep cutting but like I wouldn't cut past 160 pounds at most.

    3) if you're not progressing on your lifts but just really need a break from dieting then train at maintenance and see if that sparks some strength gains.

    I'm not sure you'll be happy with the outcome of going into a surplus unless strength is you're #1 priority right now. You'll inevitably put on some fat by doing so which may lead to you quitting the surplus before its had a chance to really do anything for you because the thought of putting on fat after such a dedicated approach to loss may be frightening and demoralizing... Unless like I said strength is the number 1 priority

    Congrats and keep at it... With continued dedication, you'll get to where you want to be
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    Originally Posted by shadow_flare View Post
    Cut, you still have what appears to be fat (unless it was very loose skin).

    Be sure that your diet is where you want it to be. Is your goal to essentially loose fat or are you trying to loose muscle? You can do both if that is your plan, but you need a plan down on how you will go about it.

    When I first cut down from being overweight as a teen it took me the longest to get my stomach and chest fat gone (same is happening now for me).

    What helps the most is if your diet is really on point, you're not going overboard with cardio, and your deficit, and you're adjusting as you keep loosing weight.
    Thanks for the advice, originally when I was overweight the goal was just, lose the weight. Now I wanted to just get my foundations right and I figured I could proportion the fat better if I built some muscle, and I didn't think I had enough to consider a cut, looked at a lot of other threads with people saying either a:you are too skinny you'll be a twig, or b: you may as well gain the fat and lose it later. so I wanted some opinions from some exp people
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    Continue to cut. Continue to lift. Get a minimum of .7 of protein per pound of body weight. Prosper.

    Good progress. Keep it up!
    thanks for the encouragement, cut it is!
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    Originally Posted by Millz12323 View Post
    Congrats on the weight loss!

    1) If you're progressing on your lifts during a cut then 100% keep cutting. This is the holy grail..

    2) if you're not progressing on your lifts but aren't tired of dieting then keep cutting but like I wouldn't cut past 160 pounds at most.

    3) if you're not progressing on your lifts but just really need a break from dieting then train at maintenance and see if that sparks some strength gains.

    I'm not sure you'll be happy with the outcome of going into a surplus unless strength is you're #1 priority right now. You'll inevitably put on some fat by doing so which may lead to you quitting the surplus before its had a chance to really do anything for you because the thought of putting on fat after such a dedicated approach to loss may be frightening and demoralizing... Unless like I said strength is the number 1 priority

    Congrats and keep at it... With continued dedication, you'll get to where you want to be
    Thanks for the kind words! Priority for me has always been aesthetic as opposed to strength! I'll take the advice and begin a cut, big dilemma for me was whether or not it was time yet and i'd be way too skinny/not have anything to cut down too like so many other threads insisted
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    Originally Posted by Ark72965 View Post
    Thanks for the kind words! Priority for me has always been aesthetic as opposed to strength! I'll take the advice and begin a cut, big dilemma for me was whether or not it was time yet and i'd be way too skinny/not have anything to cut down too like so many other threads insisted
    You may not like what you see when you get down to whatever your goal weight will be. This is a long game and you build it Brick by brick. Cutting some more fat may help but don't go nuts and diet down to like sub 150.

    And when your diet is over... Don't jump into a surplus. Spend several weeks or months at maintenance until you're not able to get stronger at maintenance anymore then work into a small surplus would be my advice.
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    Originally Posted by Millz12323 View Post
    You may not like what you see when you get down to whatever your goal weight will be. This is a long game and you build it Brick by brick. Cutting some more fat may help but don't go nuts and diet down to like sub 150.

    And when your diet is over... Don't jump into a surplus. Spend several weeks or months at maintenance until you're not able to get stronger at maintenance anymore then work into a small surplus would be my advice.
    My main issue is trying to fit in my new recommended macros in with my caloric goal of 1800. it seems after I lost the weight when I wasn't working out and eating 1500-1800 calories my weight stayed the same, and when I ate a ton during the holidays thanksgiving etc, it still remained the same, hence why my goal's lower than some people cutting at 2500 and so forth
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