Official UFC 247 thread - Jon Jones vs Dominick Reyes

[Midgetkiller]

If Reyes had a little bit more cardio he wins that fight. All he did was go in circles the last two rounds

I think it's more down to if Reyes relied on more then just his left hand to finish a fight. When Jones was in trouble all Reyes did was throw haymakers with his left.

[VegasLifter26]

It's so tough to beat the champ on a decision. You always have to go well above and beyond, even then you really need a finish to be truly safe. It's been that way since forever, not just in MMA but boxing too, that's the game.

Volkanovski did it recently. and Usamn beat woodley in a decision..but yea those were dominant performances

[BalkanPrince]

I had it a draw but I need to point something out that Reyes and Thiago Santos both messed up in. They both closed the fight on the retreat. Judges will be biased and help Jones cause when they see that ****. They also took off rounds against Jones and seemed more focused on avoiding getting finished than finishing Jones. Reyes constant circling utterly exhausted him. You just cannot sustain that in a fight like that, especially Light Heavyweight. Santos utilized a bizarre amount of leg kicks in order to cause Jones to slow down, it worked to some degree but didn’t really so anything to tilt the judges in his favor, and it exhausted him too, even injuring him. And like I said, it seems to be a tradition in a Jones fight that he finishes very strong which has a massive impact on how the judges score it because the assumption is that the Champ was winning and only got stopped from doing so via the fight time.

The person to beat Jones must fight to finish Jones and implement his game on him opposed to fighting to the distance. Reyes and Santos were both scared of Jones range and Jones grew in confidence and took the center. While he was walking them down and using very little energy, both Santos and Reyes used panic tactics which literally gave Jones the advantage in the long term. Gus showed the way towards beating Jones in their first fight, come head on and take that center from him.

[Carbonfibre]

notice how the highlights right after fight finished


first three rounds it showed more jon highlights than reyes.


ufc knows who they want to win.


same with rogan saying reyes is gassed after round 1.



ufc is the same shiit like boxing.


at first when they began they didn't care who won fights and did not protect their big name fighters.


but now they realized they can't market their fighters if they lose.


jones will duck reyes there won't be rematch.


the only goat ufc has is khabib

[Carbonfibre]

you cant even argue this


reyes got first 3 rounds

[kenjoshx]

I may be wrong, let's look at the facts



And of the deciding factor of course, this:



Two judges had Jones winning the 2nd round
Joe Solis gave Jones 4 rounds
inb4 must decisively defeat Champ, I'll argue that Champ was soundly beaten in the first round and should've been given 8-10s

Scorecards of peace
Athletic commissions of prosperity

Disappointed in Jones' performance

[JoshSP1985]

Lettuce beef cereal, if the opponent wasn't named Jones, Reyes would have been given the edge.

They bringing up the take downs.... cool story bro, take downs got stuffed and inflicted no damage. This is some nonsense.

You could even argue the stuffed takedowns should be seen as negatives as jones expelled more energy for no reward.

[JoshSP1985]

Did anyone bet the Kalinn Williams fight? That seemed like a pretty ****ing good bet all things considered guy had a 6" reach adv and looked way better conditioned.

[nomnom1989]

i think jon won mostly because he was the guy who was advancing most of the time and pressuring dominick and he was the fresher fighter

the 3rd round was iffy for me but like I said it was a very close fight and that 49-46 is just terrible judging and i'm glad cruz called him out on it lol

jones was advancing most of the fight


face it he won

[Unstumpable]

Dana white had Reyes Winning lol.

Dana is such a clown. He always does that. "Oh the wrong guy won? Doesn't matter nobody cares anyways. What a great fight am I right?". No you idiot. People want the right guy to win.

[CaliSuperSport]

Ok I'm glad nobody here is saying "yOu hAvE tO kNoCkOuT tHe cHaMp to bE thE ChAmP".

Same chit you hear in boxing and I despise it, having watched boxing for 20 years. So winning on the cards is fine in any other fight (and for champs) but not enough for challengers? It's insane to suggest a belt should give you an unfair advantage.

Clearly that was a money driven joke of a scorecard. I'm actually shocked Jones had more strikes in the 4th because it didnt seem that way.

Dana is such a clown. He always does that. "Oh the wrong guy won? Doesn't matter nobody cares anyways. What a great fight am I right?". No you idiot. People want the right guy to win.

He wants to defend his company of course. His logic (as usual) makes no fuking sense. "Who the fuk cares?" lmao fuk you Dana.

The hilarious thing is Reyes had such a great reception after the fight... that I'm sure Dana will make up for this sham on the backend with future fights for Dominick.

jones was advancing most of the fight


face it he won

No he wasnt you clown, he turned back and ran from Reyes at least 3 times.

[IronProdigy]

He wants to defend his company of course. His logic (as usual) makes no fuking sense. "Who the fuk cares?" lmao fuk you Dana.

The hilarious thing is Reyes had such a great reception after the fight... that I'm sure Dana will make up for this sham on the backend with future fights for Dominick.

He's wildly inconsistent. He absolutely blew up when Aldo lost his last fight, which Aldo honestly did. He only wants to defend those that draw numbers

[Le234]

I thought Reyes won..3,,maybe 4-1..3-2..?

[JMath]

jones was advancing most of the fight

face it he won

Ok, can we all just agree on these two things:

1) Him advancing shouldn’t have won him any rounds. Especially round 2, where he was outstruck by a decent margin. You walk towards your opponent. Your opponent punches you at a 2-1 ratio. Somehow you’re winning? Jones outstruck and overall won rounds 4 and 5 regardless of just being the guy advancing.
2) The takedowns were completely irrelevant. Jones wins rounds 4 and 5 regardless of the takedowns. So stop saying “he advanced, he won rounds 4 and 5, he had 2 takedowns”. Those takedowns did not help him win rounds 2, or 3 (the rounds in question)

So the argument for Jones winning has to revolve around what he did in round 2, or 3 to win one of those rounds.

[OttomanEmpire]

So they gave round 2 to Jones but that was the round in the metrics that Reyes had the most significant strikes diff vs jones comparing to the other rounds? I think it was like a 13 strikes diff and close to double thrown for Reyes. What did Jones do that round that won him it?

[JMath]

So they gave round 2 to Jones but that was the round in the metrics that Reyes had the most significant strikes diff vs jones comparing to the other rounds? I think it was like a 13 strikes diff and close to double thrown for Reyes. What did Jones do that round that won him it?

Walked towards Reyes

and then scored take downs...but in different rounds.

Thus, Jones wins the 2nd.

[Groce]

Reyes won that 3-2.

[kenjoshx]

lol @ ppl giving Dana sh!t, he (and his fighters) is telling you in your face that it's entertainment for the 14th time and your feathers are rusltlus maximus

UFC format now is between unmarketed legit olympian events, and WWE money grubbing and fan attracting flamboyance, which one is it heading towards?

brb Brock Lesnar one of the biggest UFC stars with an 8 fight lifetime record

Always look at it from the business standpoint crew

[JMath]

https://twitter.com/Joe_SolizTX/stat...99877938192385 kek

So the judge basically says that he gave the rounds to Jones because he advanced during those rounds. He then posts the rules he used to score, which clearly say that aggression (I.e. advancing) “is only to be assessed if effective striking/grappling is 100% equal for both competitors”.

Round 2:
Jones - 22/37
Reyes - 33/68

Round 3:
Jones - 19/34
Reyes - 26/45

Total for Rounds 2 and 3:
Jones - 41/71
Reyes - 59/113

Jones threw 63% of the number of significant strikes. Landed 69% of the number of significant strikes. But yeah... let’s just call that “100% equal for both competitors” and award the round to the guy who walked forward.

[kenjoshx]

https://twitter.com/Joe_SolizTX/stat...99877938192385 kek

https://www.utsystem.edu/institution...-grande-valley
a-where

[lazerhead]

this should put to rest any thoughts of Jones ever moving up to heavyweight. And besides, GSP & Silva are in the GOAT conversation for their title reigns. You don't need to move up, you just need a bunch of title defenses. We can clearly see now that Jones isn't levels above everyone, the competition has caught up.

[superman704]

lol @ ppl giving Dana sh!t, he (and his fighters) is telling you in your face that it's entertainment for the 14th time and your feathers are rusltlus maximus

UFC format now is between unmarketed legit olympian events, and WWE money grubbing and fan attracting flamboyance, which one is it heading towards?

brb Brock Lesnar one of the biggest UFC stars with an 8 fight lifetime record

Always look at it from the business standpoint crew

You are my nikka

[iloveus]

Reyes won that 3-2.

This

[zhengterry]

Reyes landed more strikes but were they that effective? Jones landed more than half of attempted strikes, so I can see how that one judge gave him more rounds than others when also factoring effective aggression and octagon control.

[kenjoshx]

Reyes landed more strikes but were they that effective? Jones landed more than half of attempted strikes, so I can see how that one judge gave him more rounds than others when also factoring effective aggression and octagon control.

I get where you're coming from, but there is no fair way to establish damage done each strike, significant strikes are used and they decide which fighter was better that night. And since Reyes tanked Jones' 2 takedowns and didn't give him any advantages, their weight is weak; stats often aren't that straightforward to induce from, yet the judges mucked it up spectacularly.

For perspective, Jones' last fight against T. Silva was won by a pubic hair margin split decision (very nearly lost). The strike stats were in Jones favor



Dominick Reyes won yesterday, and Jon Jones kept the belt.
Props for Reyes' immediate reaction of accepting the result and aiming to come back stronger

[zhengterry]

I get where you're coming from, but there is no fair way to establish damage done each strike, significant strikes are used and they decide which fighter was better that night. And since Reyes tanked Jones' 2 takedowns and didn't give him any advantages, their weight is weak; stats often aren't that straightforward to induce from, yet the judges mucked it up spectacularly.

For perspective, Jones' last fight against T. Silva was won by a pubic hair margin split decision (very nearly lost). The strike stats were in Jones favor



Dominick Reyes won yesterday, and Jon Jones kept the belt.
Props for Reyes' immediate reaction of accepting the result and aiming to come back stronger

-landing more than 50 percent of strikes usually wins tho.

[kenjoshx]

-landing more than 50 percent of strikes usually wins tho.

pls grow up, landing more strikes wins

brb landed 10/10 punches, but ate 20/30; I win usually

[WeAreElectric]

watching the fight i thought 2 and 3 were close but leaning a bit towards reyes. if reyes wins those rounds 75% of the time, jones basically has two chances to win a 25% roll (across three cards). jones winning wasn't a robbery nor was it the worst decision on the card (murphy vs lee was).

this and the santos fight were jones losing one round and winning two rounds, then flipping for the other two rounds (and getting a bit lucky in those results).

for everyone relying solely on stats, who won this fight? (inb4 "it's different"): http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/829b3ee4145a1ae6

fwiw, i thought reyes won but i think 48-47 either way was acceptable (49-46 is a stretch but there have been worse)

[OttomanEmpire]

-landing more than 50 percent of strikes usually wins tho.

So if someone throws 100 and lands 50 vs the guy that throws 400 and lands 100 the first guy wins?

On a side note my bro came to watch the fight last rounds and hes not a ufc fan well watcher, and when he heard the commentary about jones putting on pressure last rounds and watching the highlights, he's like this is so you forget about the first rounds and dont get mad when they give it to Jones.

They need more clear cut and consistant scoring, in the press conference Jones was mentioning his takedowns at the end and how soem judges award more for those then striking like "guys you know take downs are a big deal like some are more then strikes" and how he won 4th and 5th...ok you won 2 and lost 3 ...and octagon control, you've had fights where a guy controls the pace throughout the fight and is the one chasing his opponent but then loses on strikes or takedowns or if the statistics were close the octagon control and pressure meant nothing. you've had fights where a guy gets a take down last minute and does nothing with it and despite being outstruk that round wins it. You recall fights where commentary is like if he secures a take down last seconds the round us his.

You guys fan of standing up fights in the higher weight classes like when the ref stood latifi or broke them off against the fence? It's a lot of energy to toss a guy that weighs over 260 lbs and a lot of energy saved just lying on your back and let the ref stand you. Yea sure the guy wasn't moving positions and striking Lewis sides which didnt have as big effect but if you can toss a 260 lbs+ around it's on him for allowing himself to be in that position? Sure it was a boring fight for the audience but if someone is over 6 feet and I'm under that and the guy is known as a knock out fighter why would I try to strike with him when my strengths are seeping his energy away and just grind him out with my wrestling. If you let yourself to be pinned on the ground, it's on you not to just look at the ref to help you stand?

[Midgetkiller]

I watched the fight again, it kinda was Jones pressuring Reyes almost all fight long and Reyes answering with high volume mainly. Jones almost always seemed like the guy at the wheel. Reyes should have switched up his output when Bones was hurt because JJ only needed to watch that left hand whenever things got intense. Reyes wasn't cold blooded enough to finish.

I can understand why Jones got the nod it really wasn't a clear cut victory for Reyes imo. But still the judge's cards weren't correct imo.

Also Reyes barely was able to walk out the octagon, JJ walked out of there as if he just took a shet.