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    ***breaking news** wwe may be going under!!!

    WWE is down two presidents and $15 per share since last Thursday – and oh, yeah, Vince McMahon’s professional wrestling company still has to report its fourth-quarter and full-year 2019 earnings on Thursday. The situation looked dismal even before last week’s sudden ouster of co-presidents and longtime execs George Barrios and Michelle Wilson: Live events revenue/attendance is down, merchandise sales are way down, the Middle East deal is unpopular and unclear, TV ratings aren’t lighting it up and upstart competition All Elite Wrestling (AEW) is off to a pretty solid start. What’s worse, the company’s stock is less than half where it was nine and a half months ago. In an attempt to make sense of a situation messier than the abandoned Who Attacked Roman Reigns? storyline on “SmackDown,” TheWrap TV editor Tony Maglio tag-teamed with Wrestlenomics analyst Brandon Thurston to assess the state of the granddaddy of pro wrestling. Also Read: WWE Stock Sinks 20% on News of George Barrios, Michelle Wilson Exits OK, Brandon, as I write this on Monday, WWE stock is down another few percentage points. We get WWE’s Q4 and full-year 2019 earnings on Thursday morning and the XFL 2.0’s — which is supposedly independent...
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    Why did Vince fire the 2 top people of the company? I read it is sudden and they did not even have people to replace them yet - no transition whatsoever.
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    Originally Posted by ChristmasFnatic View Post
    Why did Vince fire the 2 top people of the company? I read it is sudden and they did not even have people to replace them yet - no transition whatsoever.
    Knowing Vince he probably challenged them to a fight. When they declined, he fired them.
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    Originally Posted by ChristmasFnatic View Post
    Why did Vince fire the 2 top people of the company? I read it is sudden and they did not even have people to replace them yet - no transition whatsoever.
    Inside sources tell me its because they were not generating the revenue Vince wanted for the company. Almost like the move was preemptive as Vince see's the writing on the wall now too.
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    If it is, it is evidence that liberalism doesn't work.

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    They have a way of bouncing back, if not......well, it was a good run.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    They have a way of bouncing back, if not......well, it was a good run.
    Wishing now more than ever Vince had not been able to buy WCW :'(
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    Yeah sure-WWE is wealthier than ever & has the Saudi money guaranteed. This is a company that survived a drugs & ****philes scandal-while Vince was throwing money at his bodybuilding federation stupidity.
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    Yeah sure-WWE is wealthier than ever & has the Saudi money guaranteed. This is a company that survived a drugs & ****philes scandal-while Vince was throwing money at his bodybuilding federation stupidity.

    It has... but now they're publicly traded, and their stock dropped almost 20% in ONE DAY. WWE's value is about half of what it was at its peek with no end in site the way things are going. This is VERY troubling news. Sure they could weather the storm (as they always have) but if there isn't a turn around they WONT weather the storm.
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    Originally Posted by wrestled View Post
    It has... but now they're publicly traded, and their stock dropped almost 20% in ONE DAY. WWE's value is about half of what it was at its peek with no end in site the way things are going. This is VERY troubling news. Sure they could weather the storm (as they always have) but if there isn't a turn around they WONT weather the storm.
    It's been a bad few months, for sure. But I'll just leave this here:



    Still WAY better off than they were two years ago.
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    Vince needs to just sign over the company to Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman and let them take over. Brock deserves it.
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    Vince needs to just sign over the company to Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman and let them take over. Brock deserves it.
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    Paul Heyman should stArt his own promotion again. If any of that creativity and brilliance is left in him from way back before he, in his words became, a damn corporate sellout, he would save the business. Heyman has toyed with starting an MMA org. Yea Heyman Who made people believe Taz was the baddest mother on the planet.
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    Paul Heyman should stArt his own promotion again. If any of that creativity and brilliance is left in him from way back before he, in his words became, a damn corporate sellout, he would save the business. Heyman has toyed with starting an MMA org. Yea Heyman Who made people believe Taz was the baddest mother on the planet.
    Have he paid every ex-ECW employees with what he owes them?
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    It's been a bad few months, for sure. But I'll just leave this here:



    Still WAY better off than they were two years ago.
    My point exactly... look at that downward trend... today down MORE over 7% at moment down to 45.56 as I type this bro
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    Ended the day down over 9%... and this cannot be good news violating federal law! Found out the real reason it looks like behind Vince getting rid of the 2 higher ups. Not gonna make it any better but he can say he took action once he found out... but more like once they got caught. This might not end pretty.

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    maybe this was vince's plan all along, make as much money as possible go to xfl and then make wwe good again just when he needs to
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    So it is safe to say AEW wins in the end?
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    Deny it all you want, but that is what women's revolution did. No one wannted to see women do what men already did, have good matches,. violent story lines. Women used to be a side attraction, used as valets, the likes of Sunny, Sable were sex symbols used top attract male viewers. At WrestleMania 10 in 1994 there was just one short 4 minutes women's match compared to WrestleManioa 34 where 4 long matches were devoted to women. Until 2012 women hardly had matches on ppv cards, most ppvs didnt even feature womens segments let alone matches, even on the days of Trish/Lita women matches lasted 5 minutes, and no more than one match was held on cards post attitude era, while in the attitude era it was mostly 3 minutes pillow fights/bikini matches.The majority fans will always be men (and even real women not feminist women preferred mes matches to women matches). Women just arent and will not be a draw until the post 2010s babies (brainwashed to totally accept feminism as a norm) grow up and become the main demographic, those of us born in the 80s won't accept it and most of my fellows left. Sure the ratings drop thing started happening right when WWE turned pg in 2008, but even back in 2010 they used to get over 3, 3 was average for Raw. John Cena for all his faults was loved by kids and sold record merchandises, unlike no mic skills Roman, he was charismatic no matter how you dislike him, he carried WWE between 2005-2014. SummerSlam 2014 was the turning point it was the end of his reign has the face of WWE. A part timer like Lesnar held the most crucial title and WWE's desperate attempts to push Reigns as the top guy 2015 to his cancer diagnosis in 2018 failed miserably. Ratings declined, merchandise sales dropped, attendance decline, WWE has been seeing itself it a position it didn't see between 1997-2016, difficulty to fill arena, reports of half filled arenas have been received since 2017 , its as bad as the 1993-1995 period when the top guys like Hogan and Savage had left. The last real draws like Batista and Cena have retired and are now part timers respectively. And in 2018 they declined the quality of mens matches and started pushing women more than ever before. Yes the likes of Becky Lynch, Ronda Rosuey, Charlotte Flair are now their biggest draws, but the fanbase of 2019 is half the size of that of say 2009. The ratings now for Raw are sometimes below 1, its unbelievable Undertaker and SCSA drew a ratings of 9 for a match in 1999 now a days. Let me get this straight women will never be draws, old school fans will never accept them, wrestling was made for and by men, women were always a side attraction and lable me sexist, misogynist and deny it however you want, besides bad creative, stale repeated rematches , part timers doing 1-5 matches per year being the biggest attraction, the biggest thing to blame for the downfall of WWE is women's revolution and while people will not want to be labeled as sexists by modern day sjw who do not even watch the show but just want more women involvement just for the sake of feminism, while the real fans won't speak about it they are leaving the WWE, stopped attending shows, stopped tuning in, stopped buying merchandise, the network subscription as slowed, wwe's income sources are crumbling and I wish them and their women's revolution death. No matter how hard Becky Lynch tries and how popular she is with SJWs, she will never be a Hogan, Austin or Cena, real fan of the once glorious scripted sport will never accept her in the position. So if WWE isn't done with taht, I got two words for them: SUCKK IT !
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    I read through it... WWE is still making $$, but it has sloooowed. The network has lost 10% of its subscribers. Stock down almost another 4% today. I see the stock dropping to the upper 30's and staying around that to 40 until next earnings report. Then we will either get a pop or it's gonna be bad again.
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    Deny it all you want, but that is what women's revolution did. No one wannted to see women do what men already did, have good matches,. violent story lines. Women used to be a side attraction, used as valets, the likes of Sunny, Sable were sex symbols used top attract male viewers. At WrestleMania 10 in 1994 there was just one short 4 minutes women's match compared to WrestleManioa 34 where 4 long matches were devoted to women. Until 2012 women hardly had matches on ppv cards, most ppvs didnt even feature womens segments let alone matches, even on the days of Trish/Lita women matches lasted 5 minutes, and no more than one match was held on cards post attitude era, while in the attitude era it was mostly 3 minutes pillow fights/bikini matches.The majority fans will always be men (and even real women not feminist women preferred mes matches to women matches). Women just arent and will not be a draw until the post 2010s babies (brainwashed to totally accept feminism as a norm) grow up and become the main demographic, those of us born in the 80s won't accept it and most of my fellows left. Sure the ratings drop thing started happening right when WWE turned pg in 2008, but even back in 2010 they used to get over 3, 3 was average for Raw. John Cena for all his faults was loved by kids and sold record merchandises, unlike no mic skills Roman, he was charismatic no matter how you dislike him, he carried WWE between 2005-2014. SummerSlam 2014 was the turning point it was the end of his reign has the face of WWE. A part timer like Lesnar held the most crucial title and WWE's desperate attempts to push Reigns as the top guy 2015 to his cancer diagnosis in 2018 failed miserably. Ratings declined, merchandise sales dropped, attendance decline, WWE has been seeing itself it a position it didn't see between 1997-2016, difficulty to fill arena, reports of half filled arenas have been received since 2017 , its as bad as the 1993-1995 period when the top guys like Hogan and Savage had left. The last real draws like Batista and Cena have retired and are now part timers respectively. And in 2018 they declined the quality of mens matches and started pushing women more than ever before. Yes the likes of Becky Lynch, Ronda Rosuey, Charlotte Flair are now their biggest draws, but the fanbase of 2019 is half the size of that of say 2009. The ratings now for Raw are sometimes below 1, its unbelievable Undertaker and SCSA drew a ratings of 9 for a match in 1999 now a days. Let me get this straight women will never be draws, old school fans will never accept them, wrestling was made for and by men, women were always a side attraction and lable me sexist, misogynist and deny it however you want, besides bad creative, stale repeated rematches , part timers doing 1-5 matches per year being the biggest attraction, the biggest thing to blame for the downfall of WWE is women's revolution and while people will not want to be labeled as sexists by modern day sjw who do not even watch the show but just want more women involvement just for the sake of feminism, while the real fans won't speak about it they are leaving the WWE, stopped attending shows, stopped tuning in, stopped buying merchandise, the network subscription as slowed, wwe's income sources are crumbling and I wish them and their women's revolution death. No matter how hard Becky Lynch tries and how popular she is with SJWs, she will never be a Hogan, Austin or Cena, real fan of the once glorious scripted sport will never accept her in the position. So if WWE isn't done with taht, I got two words for them: SUCKK IT !
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    Hope wwe does die and goes bankrupt. Might still take a decade.
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    Hope wwe does die and goes bankrupt. Might still take a decade.
    Haha.

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    Vince won’t like having to pull his trousers down for the shareholders.

    I can see him getting moved away from decision making this year
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    It’s the world today. The wrestling scene today. In this era You can put anyone in it and they would not be made into stars. I said it before I believe if the next Austin or rock showed up today. Wrestlers who had That it factor in the 80s and 90s would not be megastars today. No one will save the business even if they are say hulk hogan and ric flair rolled into one. It’s not that they lack talent but creative cannot make anyone a star in today’s scene. No one cares about wrestlers today. There will never be any megastars ever again.
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    Originally Posted by Deathstroke View Post
    It’s the world today. The wrestling scene today. In this era You can put anyone in it and they would not be made into stars. I said it before I believe if the next Austin or rock showed up today. Wrestlers who had That it factor in the 80s and 90s would not be megastars today. No one will save the business even if they are say hulk hogan and ric flair rolled into one. It’s not that they lack talent but creative cannot make anyone a star in today’s scene. No one cares about wrestlers today. There will never be any megastars ever again.
    agree 100%

    i've said it in some other threads pro wrestling just hasn't aged well, it's too passe

    it will always be around but it will continue to be this watered down version we are currently seeing

    it became popular in the 80s as it became more showtime

    then died off in the early 90s (kids grew out of it)

    then in the late 90s it was given new life with the attitude era and the target demographic was young adult men (the kids from the 80s)and it became cool for a couple of years

    then in the new millennium it just got progressively worse and worse, every storyline/gimmick/angle you can think of has been done to death

    the pg era catering to kids didn't help

    and now this woken era is just cringe

    tell someone now that you watch wrestling they will laugh at you

    wrestling is dead
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    If it is, it is evidence that liberalism doesn't work.

    Sure more people are getting into the business. Just not anyone people give a shytt about.
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    Originally Posted by Deathstroke View Post
    It’s the world today. The wrestling scene today. In this era You can put anyone in it and they would not be made into stars. I said it before I believe if the next Austin or rock showed up today. Wrestlers who had That it factor in the 80s and 90s would not be megastars today. No one will save the business even if they are say hulk hogan and ric flair rolled into one. It’s not that they lack talent but creative cannot make anyone a star in today’s scene. No one cares about wrestlers today. There will never be any megastars ever again.
    In the recent house shows I went to - The Show Me Center was full to the gills. But the last time Raw and Smackdown came to St. Louis, the Enterprise Center was only half full. The last time it was full to the gills was Xtreme Rules for Cena v Ryback. My best former Judo and Tae Kwon Do students and my best handicapped clients are female. But let's be serious....

    People, ala casuals, say - I wish the US had a soccer team when the women win all the huge titles, Ronda only gets love from MMA because her mom was the head of the USJA and all the judo folks support her. What does the pine rider in the NBA make v the best in the WNBA? The point is - until women can draw a crowd to make what the male counter parts do - why push it. It drives people away. That is why WOW Women of Wrestling is no longer televised.

    Even my wife, who will watch "Total Divas" and "Total Bellas" has said, "Women's matches beyond Trish and Lita or the Kelly Kelly Tori bra and panty matches are stupid. No one remotely believes women can dish and take punishment like a man.

    People like Hart, Sting, Hogan, Luger, Macho Man, etc were bigger than life gladiators. Charlotte and Becky are not. People in my age group and older don't watch the women's matches for their athleticism.

    The SJW and super liberals should calm down and quit chasing away the main focus group that watched and made pro wrestling popular to begin with.

    I've supported the "Women's wrestling" to a point, their are some good matches, but the best matches in months and months have been NXT driven and Murphy v Black. That should be very telling to the powers that be. I heard a little girl in Jan. at the house show in Cape ask her mom "If you don't like aunt cathy that much why don't you wrestle with her?" The mother replied "Normal girls don't act like that."
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