Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 44
  1. #1
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline

    Eating in deficit, not losing weight?

    Hey Fellas!

    Real quick question, desperately need help. But I know you guys probably always get these same ?’s so I apologize in advance.

    Currently 180 lbs. 5’8” male, trying to shed down to about 155-160.

    I’m doing an hour of cardio 3-4 times a week, as well as an hour of weight lifting about 4-5 times a week. Typically a split routine.

    But the scale isn’t dropping and my body isn’t looking any leaner. I am eating around 1800 calories a day.

    So first question is:

    1)Should I switch to a full body routine 2-3 times a week for more efficient fat loss?

    2)Am I eating too low of calories in comparison to my hour long steady state cardio sessions, in addition to a heavy weight split routine 4-5 a week? Which is causing me to stall on weight loss maybe cause I’m not eating enough?

    Not trying to gain any more muscle, just maintain the muscle mass I have, and lose about 20 pounds overall.

    I’ve been thinking of dropping weights altogether as it does often cause me to be very hungry, which I believe sometimes I’m not eating enough to compensate for energy expended healthily. And just do cardio.
    But I don’t want to just be skinny & flabby looking.

    Advice and info would be great!
    Thanks!
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    How long has the scale been the same for?

    Some thoughts are that your BMR is low and your calories aren't counted effectively enough. A reason why I like alternate day fasting or intermittent fasting is to reduce the overal calories consumed for people that have a hard time counting calories.
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    How long has the scale been the same for?

    Some thoughts are that your BMR is low and your calories aren't counted effectively enough. A reason why I like alternate day fasting or intermittent fasting is to reduce the overal calories consumed for people that have a hard time counting calories.

    About 2-3 weeks now.
    Am I just being impatient?
    I was sure some weight would’ve been dropped by now.

    Another point is that continuing to lift heavy and frequently makes me very hungry which I feel might be spiking up my required calorie count and I could be under eating.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Registered User craned70's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2018
    Age: 50
    Posts: 12
    Rep Power: 0
    craned70 is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    craned70 is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    About 2-3 weeks now.
    Am I just being impatient?
    I was sure some weight would’ve been dropped by now.

    Another point is that continuing to lift heavy and frequently makes me very hungry which I feel might be spiking up my required calorie count and I could be under eating.
    Under eating is not the reason you are not losing weight.. That's pretty counter intuitive and not really how physics works as far as I'm aware. There could be a lot of reasons you're not losing weight. Are you positive you're accurately counting the calories you're eating? you're measuring weight at the same times every day/week?
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by craned70 View Post
    Under eating is not the reason you are not losing weight.. That's pretty counter intuitive and not really how physics works as far as I'm aware. There could be a lot of reasons you're not losing weight. Are you positive you're accurately counting the calories you're eating? you're measuring weight at the same times every day/week?

    Yes, every morning before I eat or drink anything.

    I believe if you train very hard, long cardio bouts and heavy lifting, and not eating enough to compensate for the energy expended, it could possibly stall your weight loss, from articles I’ve read.

    If I run an hour of cardio in the morning and then lift very heavy leg workout and crush it later, and only consume about 1300 calories...don’t you think that would cause my body to slow down metabolism?

    I’m not sure, just reading articles online and going off on what I’ve been feeling.
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Harsh Truth Distributor xsquid99's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2013
    Location: Stanwood, Washington, United States
    Posts: 3,684
    Rep Power: 26933
    xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    xsquid99 is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I believe if you train very hard, long cardio bouts and heavy lifting, and not eating enough to compensate for the energy expended, it could possibly stall your weight loss, from articles I’ve read.
    LOL, that couldn't be further from the truth. The body cannot maintain its weight in a caloric deficit, if it could then you would never see starving people around the world who are nothing but skin and bones.

    Your body doesn't care about numbers, it only knows if it has enough energy or not, in the absence of sufficient intake calories it will turn to its fat stores. Thus the indicator of a caloric deficit is weight loss (which has nothing to do with your strength training routine). Bottom line, if you're not losing weight for 3 consecutive weeks it is apparent that you are not in a caloric deficit and you need to drop your calories further.
    Last edited by xsquid99; 01-28-2020 at 09:53 PM.
    All it takes is consistency, effort, proper nutrition, good programming, and TIME.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by xsquid99 View Post
    LOL, that couldn't be further from the truth. The body cannot maintain its weight in a caloric deficit, if it could then you would never see starving people around the world who are nothing but skin and bones.

    Your body doesn't care about numbers, it only knows if it has enough energy or not, in the absence of sufficient intake calories it will turn to its fat stores. Thus the indicator of a caloric deficit is weight loss (which has nothing to do with your strength training routine). Bottom line, if you're not losing weight for 3 consecutive weeks it is apparent that you are not in a caloric deficit and you need to drop your calories further.

    I think you’re wrong sir.
    Working out intensely and frequently and not Eating an adequate amount of food to help repair the muscles and replenish the body can indeed lead to negative results.
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Registered User hardyboysare's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2018
    Age: 50
    Posts: 3,624
    Rep Power: 30853
    hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) hardyboysare has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    hardyboysare is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re wrong sir.
    Working out intensely and frequently and not Eating an adequate amount of food to help repair the muscles and replenish the body can indeed lead to negative results.
    So what part is he wrong?

    Yes negative effects may happen as you will lose muscle and fat but then again you would be losing weight so that can't be happening.

    You can believe what you like but images of starved individuals say otherwise. Anorexia suffers don't come that skinny from over eating I can assure you.
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Han shot first! TolerantLactose's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Posts: 1,130
    Rep Power: 3132
    TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    TolerantLactose is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re wrong sir.
    Working out intensely and frequently and not Eating an adequate amount of food to help repair the muscles and replenish the body can indeed lead to negative results.
    Negative results such as lost lean mass, ie. weight loss. When in a deficit, you have to manage what kind of weight gets lost but you will lose weight. If you aren't losing weight, you aren't in a deficit.
    I can tell time. Time cannot tell me.

    Formerly LactoseTolerant. I'm not very imaginative.
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Registered User dylanstephens54's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2014
    Age: 27
    Posts: 563
    Rep Power: 2783
    dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) dylanstephens54 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    dylanstephens54 is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re wrong sir.
    Working out intensely and frequently and not Eating an adequate amount of food to help repair the muscles and replenish the body can indeed lead to negative results.
    So you ask for help then you tell the people giving you usefull information that they are wrong?

    If you know the ins and outside of weightloss why are you asking the question in the first place
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Train hard play harder Tommy W.'s Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Age: 67
    Posts: 16,996
    Rep Power: 79483
    Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Tommy W. is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re wrong sir.
    Working out intensely and frequently and not Eating an adequate amount of food to help repair the muscles and replenish the body can indeed lead to negative results.
    negative results won’t include not losing weight. If you consistently are in a weekly calorie deficit you’ll lose weight the bigger the deficit the more the loss.
    If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    Typically what people do is eat high protein during their cuts, to help feed the muscles for repair.
    The carbs and fats which we consume for energy will have to be restricted forcing the body to tap in to the fat storages leading to the desired fat loss.

    There is some thruth about slowing metabolism when cutting too long at a deficit, but note that the difference between a great metabolism
    and a poor one is only about 300 calories. Which makes it neglible in my opinion.

    For you since you are so worried about needed to over eat:
    Eating more to increase your metabolism means eating 50 calories more than your maintenance for a week, and increasing by 50 calories again and continuing that pattern until you are at your baseline. You cannot lose weight during this however. And you will need expensive tests to measure your BMR to accurately dial this in. I believe trying to focus on this will hurt your results and possible trick you into over eating.

    Instead focus on a very strict low calorie diet, with amazing ingredients.

    Have a small cheat meal once a week, to help the body metabolism (slightly debunked however)

    Or do alternate day fasting and eat at maintenance on your nob fast day also has shown to really help the metabolism stay great.
    Last edited by YoungKid; 01-29-2020 at 07:47 AM.
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Author/Trainer 2020Wellness's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Minnesota, United States
    Posts: 11,722
    Rep Power: 39404
    2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) 2020Wellness has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    2020Wellness is offline
    If you are in a deficit, you will lose weight, period.

    There is NO medical/special condition that allows a person to eat in a deficit over time and not lose weight.

    In your case, you're claiming that working out too much and not eating enough will stall weight loss. This is just not true.
    Have a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Train hard play harder Tommy W.'s Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Age: 67
    Posts: 16,996
    Rep Power: 79483
    Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Tommy W. is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    Typically what people do is eat high protein during their cuts, to help feed the muscles for repair.
    The carbs and fats which we consume for energy will have to be restricted forcing the body to tap in to the fat storages leading to the desired fat loss.

    There is some thruth about slowing metabolism when cutting too long at a deficit, but note that the difference between a great metabolism
    and a poor one is only about 300 calories. Which makes it neglible in my opinion.

    For you since you are so worried about needed to over eat:
    Eating more to increase your metabolism means eating 50 calories more than your maintenance for a week, and increasing by 50 calories again and continuing that pattern until you are at your baseline. You cannot lose weight during this however. And you will need expensive tests to measure your BMR to accurately dial this in. I believe trying to focus on this will hurt your results and possible trick you into over eating.

    Instead focus on a very strict low calorie diet, with amazing ingredients.

    Have a small cheat meal once a week, to help the body metabolism (slightly debunked however)

    Or do alternate day fasting and eat at maintenance on your job fast day also has shown to really help the metabolism stay great.
    not sure where you’re getting your metabolism info
    If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    Is there anything you wildly disagree with? I can then show you where I got that info from
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    Typically what people do is eat high protein during their cuts, to help feed the muscles for repair.
    The carbs and fats which we consume for energy will have to be restricted forcing the body to tap in to the fat storages leading to the desired fat loss.

    There is some thruth about slowing metabolism when cutting too long at a deficit, but note that the difference between a great metabolism
    and a poor one is only about 300 calories. Which makes it neglible in my opinion.

    For you since you are so worried about needed to over eat:
    Eating more to increase your metabolism means eating 50 calories more than your maintenance for a week, and increasing by 50 calories again and continuing that pattern until you are at your baseline. You cannot lose weight during this however. And you will need expensive tests to measure your BMR to accurately dial this in. I believe trying to focus on this will hurt your results and possible trick you into over eating.

    Instead focus on a very strict low calorie diet, with amazing ingredients.

    Have a small cheat meal once a week, to help the body metabolism (slightly debunked however)

    Or do alternate day fasting and eat at maintenance on your nob fast day also has shown to really help the metabolism stay great.


    I think you’re right.
    What I’ll do then is make damn sure I’m eating in a caloric deficit everyday, and stop lifting weights so it doesn’t cause me to be more hungry and require more calories for the muscle growth/maintenance. And I’ll just do long cardio bouts 3-4 times a week. I surely shall lose weight then, including fat and muscle.
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Train hard play harder Tommy W.'s Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Age: 67
    Posts: 16,996
    Rep Power: 79483
    Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Tommy W. is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    and stop lifting weights . And I’ll just do long cardio bouts 3-4 times a week. I surely shall lose weight then, including fat and muscle.
    Why would you do this? That is a terrible idea
    If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Nerd That Lifts MeadxHole's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2019
    Posts: 195
    Rep Power: 405
    MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250) MeadxHole has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    MeadxHole is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re right.
    What I’ll do then is make damn sure I’m eating in a caloric deficit everyday, and stop lifting weights so it doesn’t cause me to be more hungry and require more calories for the muscle growth/maintenance. And I’ll just do long cardio bouts 3-4 times a week. I surely shall lose weight then, including fat and muscle.
    wat

    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Why would you do this? That is a terrible idea
    this
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I think you’re right.
    What I’ll do then is make damn sure I’m eating in a caloric deficit everyday, and stop lifting weights so it doesn’t cause me to be more hungry and require more calories for the muscle growth/maintenance. And I’ll just do long cardio bouts 3-4 times a week. I surely shall lose weight then, including fat and muscle.
    Most people seem to agree that cardio is relatively ineffective at losing weight versus just restricting calories. A huge benefit of keeping up the weight lifting is to grow or maintain your muscle mass which will lead to a way better composition.

    I would suggest to decrease the cardio, eat at a deficit with high proteins ( increases satiety and has a thermogenic effect of about 20% by burning calories to process it ), and continue the weight lifting. Unless you are sure you want to lose muscle.

    I like taking caffeine, tea, and apple cider vinegar to fight off hunger when it arises, it's only temporary. Anecdotally, I might be hungry at night but when I sleep and wake up I'm not hungry till about noon. I find this to be the brain wanting to eat but the body not really needing it.
    Reply With Quote

  20. #20
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    Most people seem to agree that cardio is relatively ineffective at losing weight versus just restricting calories. A huge benefit of keeping up the weight lifting is to grow or maintain your muscle mass which will lead to a way better composition.

    I would suggest to decrease the cardio, eat at a deficit with high proteins ( increases satiety and has a thermogenic effect of about 20% by burning calories to process it ), and continue the weight lifting. Unless you are sure you want to lose muscle.

    I like taking caffeine, tea, and apple cider vinegar to fight off hunger when it arises, it's only temporary. Anecdotally, I might be hungry at night but when I sleep and wake up I'm not hungry till about noon. I find this to be the brain wanting to eat but the body not really needing it.

    I’m actually trying to remove mass in general, that includes fat & a little bit of muscle. Sorry I didn’t specify that before.

    Reason being is that I’m going to start boxing/mma soon and I’m way too heavy for my optimal weight class.
    I apologize for the confusion everyone.
    Reply With Quote

  21. #21
    Train hard play harder Tommy W.'s Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Age: 67
    Posts: 16,996
    Rep Power: 79483
    Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Tommy W. is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    I’m actually trying to remove mass in general, that includes fat & a little bit of muscle. Sorry I didn’t specify that before.

    Reason being is that I’m going to start boxing/mma soon and I’m way too heavy for my optimal weight class.
    I apologize for the confusion everyone.
    unless you’re extremely muscular you don’t want to lose muscle on purpose. Your strength will decrease along with your weight and that is not Want to do for playing Sports. You need to re think your strategy
    If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
    Reply With Quote

  22. #22
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    If you BF is low ( sub 12 ) it means you only have like 20lb of fat. you will have to lose muscle to get down to 160 ( 20 lbs cut )

    But my guess is that your BF is higher than that. And depending on the time frame that you have should start with cutting fat. The muscle mass keeps your BMR higher which basically translates into more bang for your diet.
    Reply With Quote

  23. #23
    Registered User newbutserious's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2019
    Age: 50
    Posts: 41
    Rep Power: 0
    newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50) newbutserious will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    newbutserious is offline
    Yeah,

    Weight lifting, particularly if you're early on, can make the scale extremely deceptive. I remember contemplating if I should slow or desist because I just wanted to see the scale go down and it was maddening. As far as conventional BF reduction it's totally a red herring though and the best choice is to keep lifting as long as the muscle is desired (or at least neutral and you don't mind it). I can't comment regarding competitive weight classes though. I did wrestling in high school and that's the last I ever had to deal with being a specific weight.
    Reply With Quote

  24. #24
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    If you BF is low ( sub 12 ) it means you only have like 20lb of fat. you will have to lose muscle to get down to 160 ( 20 lbs cut )

    But my guess is that your BF is higher than that. And depending on the time frame that you have should start with cutting fat. The muscle mass keeps your BMR higher which basically translates into more bang for your diet.

    Yeah I agree that’s why I was posting here for some advice. I’m estimating that I’m between 15-17% BF. So I do have some fat to get rid of, but also have some muscle as well. If I could shed just a bit of muscle, and majority of fat then I should be fine.

    What do u think if I switch to a full body program about 2-3 times a week to help maintain some muscle while dropping weight overall?
    Reply With Quote

  25. #25
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    Yeah I agree that’s why I was posting here for some advice. I’m estimating that I’m between 15-17% BF. So I do have some fat to get rid of, but also have some muscle as well. If I could shed just a bit of muscle, and majority of fat then I should be fine.

    What do u think if I switch to a full body program about 2-3 times a week to help maintain some muscle while dropping weight overall?

    Sounds great
    Reply With Quote

  26. #26
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by YoungKid View Post
    Sounds great

    What full body program would you recommend?

    FYI, I’m not a beginner at lifting. Been lifting for about 3 years consistently.

    Squat-255
    Deadlift-265
    Bench-205

    So of course I won’t be able to keep all the strength if I drop weight significantly.
    But which program would u think would suit best?
    Reply With Quote

  27. #27
    Registered User YoungKid's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 24
    Posts: 587
    Rep Power: 274
    YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50) YoungKid will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    YoungKid is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    What full body program would you recommend?

    FYI, I’m not a beginner at lifting. Been lifting for about 3 years consistently.

    Squat-255
    Deadlift-265
    Bench-205

    So of course I won’t be able to keep all the strength if I drop weight significantly.
    But which program would u think would suit best?
    I have no real advice here.
    I used greyskulls LP... and more recently an app called Fitbod which will generate workouts for you pretty effectively
    Reply With Quote

  28. #28
    Han shot first! TolerantLactose's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Posts: 1,130
    Rep Power: 3132
    TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    TolerantLactose is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    What full body program would you recommend?

    FYI, I’m not a beginner at lifting. Been lifting for about 3 years consistently.

    Squat-255
    Deadlift-265
    Bench-205

    So of course I won’t be able to keep all the strength if I drop weight significantly.
    But which program would u think would suit best?
    Don't see why you can't increase those numbers while cutting.
    I can tell time. Time cannot tell me.

    Formerly LactoseTolerant. I'm not very imaginative.
    Reply With Quote

  29. #29
    Registered User KandeeMann's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 33
    Rep Power: 0
    KandeeMann has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    KandeeMann is offline
    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Don't see why you can't increase those numbers while cutting.
    Not looking to increase any more muscle mass, and I’m trying to drop down to 155 lbs.
    Reply With Quote

  30. #30
    Han shot first! TolerantLactose's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Posts: 1,130
    Rep Power: 3132
    TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) TolerantLactose is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    TolerantLactose is offline
    Originally Posted by KandeeMann View Post
    Not looking to increase any more muscle mass, and I’m trying to drop down to 155 lbs.
    I was way past those numbers at 145lbs. That was at the end of a cut.
    I can tell time. Time cannot tell me.

    Formerly LactoseTolerant. I'm not very imaginative.
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts