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    Longevity

    It seems that most scientists agree at the moment that time restricted eating, or having periods of not eating, is one of the most effective ways to prolong longevity and living longer.

    They don't really of course have exact evidence since they make the experiments with rats or whatnot, and we are not rats, but it seems to now be the thing that anyone who does specialize in longevity, they do time restricted eating.

    For some reason, one thing Peter Attia said about how it's amazing to him to think that you'd only have to go once a year three days without eating to get your body time to do housework, get rid of all the bad cells etc. Well I'd like to do that but it's hard enough to stay 16 hours without eating, let alone three days. Heck, I could be without eating three days if I smoke somethin but I don't think this is what the doctors are recommending

    Anyone do fasting and if you do, is it for longevity reasons or some other reason? Also, is it hard?
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    My doc does a 24 hour bone broth only fast once a month. I've been thinking about trying it.
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    My doc does a 24 hour bone broth only fast once a month. I've been thinking about trying it.
    Yeah I think you can drink something less than 50 calories and still be in fasted state. I had to find out first if I could still be drinking coffee, because otherwise it will be hell..
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    If you're talking aboot Autophagy then no thanks.

    Sure it may start with a harmless fasting "cleanse", and then the next thing you know you're sitting in the ER waiting room with a Gerbil stuck up your ass.
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    Originally Posted by ChazWood View Post
    If you're talking aboot Autophagy then no thanks.

    Sure it may start with a harmless fasting "cleanse", and then the next thing you know you're sitting in the ER waiting room with a Gerbil stuck up your ass.
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    I’ve had unhealthy relationships with food in the past, mainly mindless overeating. I do a 24 hour fast like once a week or so. To be honest, mainly just because I heard John Meadows talking about it once and figured, Why not? I usually just note what time I ate my last meal on, say, Tuesday, then wait until that time on Wednesday to eat my next meal.

    It helps a little with eating fewer calories but I find the most significant benefit to be mental/psychological. By Wednesday afternoon I’ll start feeling some strong cravings, but not eating right away trains my mind to see that I’m not going to die if I don’t respond to every little impulse I feel. Not scrambling to satisfy my appetite as soon as I start thinking about food is ok.

    This, I believe, ripples into other areas of my life and effectively becomes an exercise in mindfulness, experiencing the moment, and recognizing the true motivations behind what I’m feeling, as well as how urgent or frivolous an impulse truly is.
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    I read on WebMD that swallowing a couple cloves of garlic will clear up that whole "gerbils up the ass" thing pretty much within a day or two.
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    Originally Posted by ChazWood View Post
    If you're talking aboot Autophagy then no thanks.

    Sure it may start with a harmless fasting "cleanse", and then the next thing you know you're sitting in the ER waiting room with a Gerbil stuck up your ass.
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    Originally Posted by steffo99 View Post
    Lemmiwinks!
    Such creativity!

    oddly, here's what popped up at the end:



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    Originally Posted by Irvine405 View Post
    I read on WebMD that swallowing a couple cloves of garlic will clear up that whole "gerbils up the ass" thing pretty much within a day or two.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I’ve had unhealthy relationships with food in the past, mainly mindless overeating. I do a 24 hour fast like once a week or so. To be honest, mainly just because I heard John Meadows talking about it once and figured, Why not? I usually just note what time I ate my last meal on, say, Tuesday, then wait until that time on Wednesday to eat my next meal.

    It helps a little with eating fewer calories but I find the most significant benefit to be mental/psychological. By Wednesday afternoon I’ll start feeling some strong cravings, but not eating right away trains my mind to see that I’m not going to die if I don’t respond to every little impulse I feel. Not scrambling to satisfy my appetite as soon as I start thinking about food is ok.

    This, I believe, ripples into other areas of my life and effectively becomes an exercise in mindfulness, experiencing the moment, and recognizing the true motivations behind what I’m feeling, as well as how urgent or frivolous an impulse truly is.
    Yes it's not about eating fewer calories. I figure at this point we already know how to lose or gain weight. It's more about living longer and preventing disease that come from aging. Those things you mention are good but physically too you should feel better.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I’ve had unhealthy relationships with food in the past, mainly mindless overeating. I do a 24 hour fast like once a week or so. To be honest, mainly just because I heard John Meadows talking about it once and figured, Why not? I usually just note what time I ate my last meal on, say, Tuesday, then wait until that time on Wednesday to eat my next meal.

    It helps a little with eating fewer calories but I find the most significant benefit to be mental/psychological. By Wednesday afternoon I’ll start feeling some strong cravings, but not eating right away trains my mind to see that I’m not going to die if I don’t respond to every little impulse I feel. Not scrambling to satisfy my appetite as soon as I start thinking about food is ok.
    I've thought about trying it. I can't do it on weekends for logistical reasons, but I would be worried that fasting on a weekday would kill my mental energy and ability to focus at work. Do you experience that?
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    Originally Posted by ChazWood View Post
    Does Youtube know something aboot Tom we don't???
    Heard rumors (from a reliable source) of a Gerbil Island where these people go to restrict calories in giant stuffing sessions. Might be something.

    Ok then, off to bed I go. Sorry Cass, wish I could be more helpful.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I've thought about trying it. I can't do it on weekends for logistical reasons, but I would be worried that fasting on a weekday would kill my mental energy and ability to focus at work. Do you experience that?
    He says it's a myth because our ancestors would never have survived if they were not able to work in a fasted state. Your body gets used to it.
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    I believe Cassie Lassie you are referring to a recent study described in the link below. It's not really as bad as it may sound.

    Intermittent Fasting Could Improve Longevity

    The study proposes that abstaining from food for 16 to 18 hours a day can improve health and longevity and suggests that intermittent fasting can help with weight loss and prevent diseases. So, feasibly, you could stop eating at say 6:00PM and eat a brunch the next morning at around 10:00AM. That is 16 hours of not eating. But, you can stay hydrated. That is very achievable and probably worth a try.

    I believe ID has discussed intermittent fasting here some time ago, but for different reasons. It is interesting.

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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    He says it's a myth because our ancestors would never have survived if they were not able to work in a fasted state. Your body gets used to it.
    Yeah but I imagine you need to do it repeatedly to get used to it. Also I am sure I could still do work, I am just wondering how much efficiency and mental energy I would lose.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    I believe Cassie Lassie you are referring to a recent study described in the link below. It's not really as bad as it may sound.

    Intermittent Fasting Could Improve Longevity

    The study proposes that abstaining from food for 16 to 18 hours a day can improve health and longevity and suggests that intermittent fasting can help with weight loss and prevent diseases. So, feasibly, you could stop eating at say 6:00PM and eat a brunch the next morning at around 10:00AM. That is 16 hours of not eating. But, you can stay hydrated. That is very achievable and probably worth a try.

    I believe ID has discussed intermittent fasting here some time ago, but for different reasons. It is interesting.

    https://thehill.com/changing-america...rove-longevity
    I just noticed a lot of scientists agree to it at the moment. If the studies are made with rats, obviously a rat fasting 16 hours is a little different than human. I don't even know if that has any real benefit. Now three day fast, that might be different.
    Of course I understand that tomorrow they may have totally different opinion.
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    Nope, just noticed a lot of scientists agree to it at the moment.

    Of course I understand that tomorrow they may have totally different opinion.
    Silly me. Must have been just a coincidence.

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    Silly me. Must have been just a coincidence.
    No it was probably the same thing. I edited my post, you were too fast.
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    No it was probably the same thing. I edited my post, you were too fast.


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    The 16 hour fast is my go to diet for dropping some pounds. I'm actually doing it right now to get rid of my winter weight I seem to put on every year. I find after a few days I'm actually less hungry a couple hours before lunch than I would be if I would eat breakfast. Others may not find that to be the case but it is defitiely how it works for me. It's like your body realizes you just aren't going to feed it so it moves on. I'm the kind of person that the more often I eat the more often I want to eat. Not a good combination...
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    IF has been my protocol for well over a year.

    I've played with the diet and different types of protocols but I can say that it has larger overall effects which you can start to consistently see over time. I have also seen changes in blood work from physicals. I've been getting consistent physicals yearly for many many years going back since my thirties. I have never seen several of the changes that I have recently for the better.

    I can also say that outside of calories and calories out there is a definite shift towards more favorable nutrient partitioning. It is very subtle but over time the cumulative effects become more and more apparent to me.
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    I think the unspoken elephant in the room is that the ability to control one's eating intervals vs. just stuffing your face whenever you are hungry/sad/angry/happy etc is what gives one the opportunity for increased longevity.

    It's having control over your eating habits that is the key, rather than some psychomorphic biokinetic symbiosis.
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    Originally Posted by IronCharles View Post
    I think the unspoken elephant in the room is that the ability to control one's eating intervals vs. just stuffing your face whenever you are hungry/sad/angry/happy etc is what gives one the opportunity for increased longevity.

    It's having control over your eating habits that is the key, rather than some psychomorphic biokinetic symbiosis.
    Yes I understand that, we can't even stop stuffing ourselves with refined carbs and sugar, so how are we excepted to restraint ourselves from eating for a long period of time?

    But it's on my mind what that guy said that why wouldn't you sacrifice a little discomfort for all the benefits. If you only have to fast a few days once a year to get the benefit, it seems a small price to pay. However, I dunno if I can do it, I can barely do 16 hours periodically.
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
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    The 16 hour fast is my go to diet for dropping some pounds. I'm actually doing it right now to get rid of my winter weight I seem to put on every year. I find after a few days I'm actually less hungry a couple hours before lunch than I would be if I would eat breakfast. Others may not find that to be the case but it is defitiely how it works for me. It's like your body realizes you just aren't going to feed it so it moves on. I'm the kind of person that the more often I eat the more often I want to eat. Not a good combination...
    I have always been able to lose weight better that way also.

    However, we are getting old and it's now about being disease free and mobile 100 -year old!
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    I just noticed a lot of scientists agree to it at the moment. If the studies are made with rats, obviously a rat fasting 16 hours is a little different than human. I don't even know if that has any real benefit. Now three day fast, that might be different.
    Of course I understand that tomorrow they may have totally different opinion.
    Experiments on calorie restriction have given similar results on many types of animals across the board, not just rats. I've read that it has also extended the lives of arthropods, fish, and nematodes, and probably most other types of animals that it's been tried on.

    The problem is that those lab creatures are living under tightly controlled conditions, and the results may not apply to individuals living "in the wild", that have to face a lot of unpredictable hazards in their environments. I do think it's likely that your average overfed sedentary human would probably benefit with increased longevity from a nutritious but calorie-reduced diet. But does that apply to someone who is already maintaining a lean physique? I don't know.

    I don't think it really has anything specifically to do with intermittent fasting, other than as a technique for overall calorie reduction. It doesn't matter so much how the calories are reduced, only that they ARE reduced.
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    I read on WebMD that swallowing a couple cloves of garlic will clear up that whole "gerbils up the ass" thing pretty much within a day or two.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    Anyone do fasting and if you do, is it for longevity reasons or some other reason? Also, is it hard?
    my wife does it for over 18 months now. For health reasons, she has a bit of tyroid and autoimmune issue. She does IF in combination with a very strict keto, as strict as only a passionate woman can make it. Basically she does some form of a warrior diet, one meal a day on most days, some days she eat twice a day in 4 hour window. She looked younger than her age to begin with, now everybody thinks she is my daughter. Health issues gone with no trace. Our family friend, older fella, muay thai coach is doing it too, also for health reasons. He had a host of health trouble after a bad motorcycle accident.

    From what I see, it is hard to do what they do. I was experimenting with fasting a few years ago, but could not keep up. I must say, eating is entertainment, same as sex or a good cigar or a good workout. To me it was like putting life on hold while I do my fasting thingey. With self discipline I could probably keep doing it, but I was also worrying about its impact on muscle building.
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