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    Originally Posted by Gabbar99 View Post
    I got tested for particle size and all the details. It is more complex than "LDL is bad", but that doesn't mean it's all a big conspiracy.

    Don't know that Attia is a full-fledged conspiracy theorist. I do know that he pocketed millions from billionaires for NuSi and then bailed when the results, which to their credit were good science, didn't go how they'd hoped. He's legit, but he has a lot of money and reputation at stake on one side of the issue, so I suspect his take is highly biased.
    I think you misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with you ... so color me confused

    And the series to which I referred is simply an in-depth summary of how cholesterol causes atherosclerosis based on the current understanding. It isn't a position piece that advocates for a particular theory one way or the other.

    And, a correction....I should have said particle count (not particle size).
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    I have super high cholesterol. It's funny but it's almost identical to ten years ago.

    My cholesterol is 206 and ten years ago 204.

    LDL didn't change at all, was and is 134. Those numbers are pretty bad but then my HDL is 59 and triglycerides 64. So how are my triglycerides so low considering cholesterol high? I forgot to ask the doctor.

    Peter Attia talks also about "metabolic syndrome", and I don't seem to have it. So wouldn't there have to be other things to consider whether to put someone on statins? For example my blood pressure is super low, wouldn't that be more important thing to consider? I would be more worried if my blood pressure was high.
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    Ms. Sassy Pants, when I started taking fish oil and plant sterols, I reduced my total cholesterol by 30%.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Ms. Sassy Pants, when I started taking fish oil and plant sterols, I reduced my total cholesterol by 30%.
    I already take fish oil...well when I remember.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    I have super high cholesterol. It's funny but it's almost identical to ten years ago.

    My cholesterol is 206 and ten years ago 204.

    LDL didn't change at all, was and is 134. Those numbers are pretty bad but then my HDL is 59 and triglycerides 64. So how are my triglycerides so low considering cholesterol high? I forgot to ask the doctor.

    Peter Attia talks also about "metabolic syndrome", and I don't seem to have it. So wouldn't there have to be other things to consider whether to put someone on statins? For example my blood pressure is super low, wouldn't that be more important thing to consider? I would be more worried if my blood pressure was high.
    That cholesterol is not really very high. My LDL alone is higher than your total. With your numbers, I would be surprised if a doc put you on statins unless you had a strong family history of heart disease.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Ms. Sassy Pants, when I started taking fish oil and plant sterols, I reduced my total cholesterol by 30%.
    Fish oil works well on triglycerides, but only has a tiny effect on cholesterol. Plant sterols do reduce cholesterol....but I am a bit wary of plant sterols as some evidence suggests they can accumulate in aortic valves, but the evidence is conflicting.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    That cholesterol is not really very high. My LDL alone is higher than your total. With your numbers, I would be surprised if a doc put you on statins unless you had a strong family history of heart disease.
    Yeah my dad died of a heart attack at 60. Mom 54 breast cancer.

    Two things that kill people are heart disease and cancer in that order. Actually if you're genetically disposed to something, maybe you can't totally change your genes but you can at least prolong the diseases coming up by several decades.

    Karl do you know why my triglycerides are so low if cholesterol high? Do they have any correlation to each other?
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    Yeah my dad died of a heart attack at 60. Mom 54 breast cancer.

    Two things that kill people are heart disease and cancer in that order. Actually if you're genetically disposed to something, maybe you can't totally change your genes but you can at least prolong the diseases coming up by several decades.

    Karl do you know why my triglycerides are so low if cholesterol high? Do they have any correlation to each other?
    Yeah, you definitely want to talk to your doctor about your history. The lipoprotein particles that carry cholesterol throughout your body also carry triglycerides...But particle types carry different amounts of triglyceride. (e.g. VLDL has had 5 times more triglyceride than cholesterol). So you can have high LDL and low triglycerides depending on how much triglyceride is being carried. Triglycerides are much more influenced by diet than is cholesterol.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I am a bit wary of plant sterols as some evidence suggests they can accumulate in aortic valves, but the evidence is conflicting.
    I will look into evidence of plant sterols accumulating in aortic valves. Thanks for the tip.

    But, yes, I take fish oil to primarily work on reducing triglycerides.
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    I know that people talk genetics all the time. What is puzzling to me, is if you look at my relatives, you would think the deck would be stacked against me pretty bad.

    Grandfather 1 multiple heart attacks, open heart surgery, Diabetic, died of heart attack
    Grandfather 2 Stroke, lasted about 7 years and succumbed
    Grandmother 2 HPB Like Really BAD

    Father, (Child of Grandfather 1) Prediabetic many years, HBP decades, Cholesrtol high for 30+ years
    Uncle (fathers brother) heart attack


    My cholesterol is usually 120-130. My HDL is "low-ish", but it is in good ratio for as low as my Total is

    Triglycerides <50


    I am puzzled. Another thing, is over the course of the last 10 years, regardless of diet (sometimes super strict and what some people might call "clean") vs VERY dirty fat and sugar-filled. It has always stayed about the same.

    Same thing with whether I was doing any cardio, or not. I cant see any effect on my blood work...

    Very strange for sure. I wish I had number from when I was really out of shape to see if they were any different under the neglect.....
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I think you misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with you ... so color me confused

    And the series to which I referred is simply an in-depth summary of how cholesterol causes atherosclerosis based on the current understanding. It isn't a position piece that advocates for a particular theory one way or the other.

    And, a correction....I should have said particle count (not particle size).
    Okay. Sorry. I haven't read his summary. Perhaps it's guilt by association.

    I believe it's particle count of different particle sizes. Whatever it was, mine was "fabulous" and "the best I've seen in years" according to my doctor. He also sent me to this facility where they scanned and looked at fluid flow in my arteries. He's kinda on the edge of being weird and alternative. I have a terrible family history, but I seem to check out good. My cholesterol numbers have never been either horrible or great, but the "rest of the story" numbers have always been really good.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    Triglycerides are much more influenced by diet than is cholesterol.
    My triglycerides are almost solely related to how much I'm running. When I'm marathon training, it's really low.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    That cholesterol is not really very high. My LDL alone is higher than your total. With your numbers, I would be surprised if a doc put you on statins unless you had a strong family history of heart disease.
    Ya, under 200 is good. 200 - 240 is borderline. Can't imagine doc would be too concerned about 206.
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    Yeah my dad died of a heart attack at 60. Mom 54 breast cancer.
    Very sorry to hear that.

    At risk of spouting random "did you know?" Statistics (we seem to have a thread like that already, not sure why). In the UK the most commonly diagnosed cancer is now prostate. Just laying that out there for some of the >35 crowd in case anyone was putting off get something checked

    Personally not sure about the plant sterols in common usage for cholesterol reduction. Just blocking gut absorption is like trying to fix delicate clockwork by selectively throwing wrenches into it. Sure they'll turn out to be some negative consequences, like nerve/myelin damage or something?
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    Back in the 1970's I used to work with a guy that was very health conscious. He was a small very lean man, he never drove and would walk to and from work, quite a few miles. I remember guys at work would rib him about not having a car, but it was his choice and wasn't bothered.
    Some years on I changed my job and out and about in my car I would often see him on the side walk striding into town, this went on for many years. About two years I met him in our local store and had a great chat with him, he was 96! a bit bent over but as sharp as a razor and a zest for life. He had outlived everybody from that job that laughed at him for not having a car, maybe he had good genes or was it that he remained physically active all his life.
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    Little story-
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    Some years on I changed my job and out and about in my car I would often see him on the side walk striding into town, this went on for many years. About two years I met him in our local store and had a great chat with him, he was 96! a bit bent over but as sharp as a razor and a zest for life. He had outlived everybody from that job that laughed at him for not having a car, maybe he had good genes or was it that he remained physically active all his life.
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    Some years on I changed my job and out and about in my car I would often see him on the side walk striding into town, this went on for many years. About two years I met him in our local store and had a great chat with him, he was 96! a bit bent over but as sharp as a razor and a zest for life. He had outlived everybody from that job that laughed at him for not having a car, maybe he had good genes or was it that he remained physically active all his life.
    I have always believed in that. I walk everywhere even though I live in LA.

    Sometimes I even walk to work and it takes me two hours. Not even sure if it's that healthy because of all the pollution but I just like it. Strangers come to me all the time telling me they see me walking, it's a bit creepy. Whenever they ask about it, I say "I walk because I don't want to become fat like all the other Americans". It's kind of a joke but I don't know what else to say.
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    Very sorry to hear that.

    At risk of spouting random "did you know?" Statistics (we seem to have a thread like that already, not sure why). In the UK the most commonly diagnosed cancer is now prostate. Just laying that out there for some of the >35 crowd in case anyone was putting off get something checked

    Personally not sure about the plant sterols in common usage for cholesterol reduction. Just blocking gut absorption is like trying to fix delicate clockwork by selectively throwing wrenches into it. Sure they'll turn out to be some negative consequences, like nerve/myelin damage or something?
    I didn't know that about prostate cancer. I always thought women are the ones who have to worry about breast cancer but you guys have that to worry about, it sucks.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    I didn't know that about prostate cancer. I always thought women are the ones who have to worry about breast cancer but you guys have that to worry about, it sucks.

    They say, staying very busy keeps one alive, well not the case with these cancers. Prostate cancer took Frank Zappa at age 52, the guy may of smoked and drank coffee like there was no tomorrow, but he was the hardest working man in music, day and night, no time for family, in fact he released his last album "The Yellow Shark" while he was dying. His bodyguard had a hard time keeping up with him, Frank would zig zag all over the place. He played guitar solos faster at age 49 than in his 30's. Before Frank died, he suggested to "get checked", his was nonoperational.

    Your mom was very young too.
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    Very sorry to hear that.

    At risk of spouting random "did you know?" Statistics (we seem to have a thread like that already, not sure why). In the UK the most commonly diagnosed cancer is now prostate. Just laying that out there for some of the >35 crowd in case anyone was putting off get something checked

    Personally not sure about the plant sterols in common usage for cholesterol reduction. Just blocking gut absorption is like trying to fix delicate clockwork by selectively throwing wrenches into it. Sure they'll turn out to be some negative consequences, like nerve/myelin damage or something?
    I get mine checked by ultrasound every couple of years. Thankfully it's cancer free and still the size of the average 20 somethings after years of abusing it, so I guess I got lucky in that respect.


    As an aside there is an amazing new treatment for BHP where radiologists inject microbeads into it through an artery which seems to have almost no side effects. Since urologists can't offer this treatment mine predictably told me it wasn't ready for primetime lol.
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    Originally Posted by clive View Post
    Little story-
    Back in the 1970's I used to work with a guy that was very health conscious. He was a small very lean man, he never drove and would walk to and from work, quite a few miles. I remember guys at work would rib him about not having a car, but it was his choice and wasn't bothered.
    Some years on I changed my job and out and about in my car I would often see him on the side walk striding into town, this went on for many years. About two years I met him in our local store and had a great chat with him, he was 96! a bit bent over but as sharp as a razor and a zest for life. He had outlived everybody from that job that laughed at him for not having a car, maybe he had good genes or was it that he remained physically active all his life.
    Several years ago I set a goal to walk 1200 miles over the course of a year as I walked during lunch Mon-Fri and sometimes during the weekend. My HDL was never higher. Always above 80. I ride my bike for cardio these days and it's only 60.
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    Originally Posted by kimm4 View Post
    If been using IF for years before it was even a thing. I don't know if it makes any difference but I feel good so I stay with it.

    They say there are benefits to using IF for women over 40 but who knows.

    https://www.mid-lifemamas.com/benefi...women-over-40/
    I showed this to my coworker and she printed it out and everything . Now she's doing it with me. I keep asking her, how are you feeling and she says she's feeling great.

    I have been doing it now about a week and feel great. It is not hard at all.
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    I showed this to my coworker and she printed it out and everything . Now she's doing it with me. I keep asking her, how are you feeling and she says she's feeling great.

    I have been doing it now about a week and feel great. It is not hard at all.
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