Consistency is the number one thing no matter what your approach. Personally I do count my exercise calories separately, but that is by no means necessary or the only way to do it. Over time I've evolved some numbers that seem to be reasonably accurate for me, but it's not a perfect system to be sure. If you do decide to do a separate count then be sure to deal with the gross/net calories issue and the optimistic numbers problems or you'll end up way over-estimating how much you're burning.
For me, numbers tend to work out at somewhere around:
200 calories per hour of lifting, normally 1.5 hours (2/3 that for a deload/assistance/light day)
100 calories per mile of jogging, normally 3-5 miles
175 calories per mile of rucking (50lb pack), normally 1-3 miles
200 calories per hour of trail riding (horses, moderate pace), normally 1-3 hours
2 calories per bale of hay unloaded and stacked, normally 100-400 bales
For doing something I don't do often I'd usually divide the listed calories by 1.4 to get a rough estimate of what I'm actually burning. If I do it a lot I'd probably find or build a smarter model that accounts for BMR, weight, etc.
I like spreadsheets and it works for me, but YMMV.
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02-05-2020, 04:42 PM #31
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02-05-2020, 05:00 PM #32
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yea, 1k+ calorie burn workout will NEVER happen with me, lol. I'll be happy to burn an extra 200 calories per workout!
I am glad there's one "one way only" rule, it seems it's certainly not one size fits all.
I find cardio makes me hungry, but lifting I have to force myself to eat something afterwards, at least a protein shake, otherwise I can go for HOURS without eating.
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02-05-2020, 08:29 PM #33
First, during steady state cardio the body burns a lot of fat in addition to sugar depending on fitness. Second, one can digest up to 300 simple carbs per hour during aerobic activity.
A steady state base training ride could be 5 hours at 200 watts. That's 4000 calories. Consume 300 per hour. Burn fat in addition to carbs.
A shorter 1.5 hour workout may average 200 watts also and burn 1200 calories.
A 15 mile hike with 3000 feet of climbing will burn around 2500 calories.
Intense cardio, like 300 watts, burns 1200 per hour. For a cardio noob 600 per hour might be about right.
Probably OP isn't burning 1000 to 3000 calories, but lots of people do, and it only makes sense to track calories out in addition to calories in. Why would anyone weigh their food and then completely ignore accuracy on the other half of the equation? All of which is beside the point that some people (not you apparently) have an easier time eating in a deficit when burning more calories.2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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02-06-2020, 08:21 AM #34
Boy you are really hardcorez! You might realize you are not at www.MenWhoWearManBuns.com
Also the thread stated advice for "beginner".
On the other hand, I have been training over 20 years and I don't know a single person who has ever done a 15mile hike with 3000 foot elevation.
Maybe I am a cardio newb too then, since I would say in general my steady state cardio is well below 600 cals per hour. (And I probably carry 30 lbs more muscle than you)
Now that I think of it, I have never even walked 15 miles in my life let alone up the side of a mountain. Oh boy....I have so much to learn...... Someday I will hope to be as cool as you burning all those cals. You won't catch me with a man bun though...RAW lifts
635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
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02-06-2020, 08:50 AM #35
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I run a 5k program on my treadmill every Friday (during the winter). It says I burn around 550 calories in the ~40 minutes workout. No idea how accurate that is--but it should indicate how ridiculous the concept of burning 3000 calories in a single cardio workout is.......
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02-06-2020, 09:33 AM #36
It's not about being cool, it's about being factual. It's ridiculous that someone would be bothered by such a common thing.
Burning 1000 to 3000 calories in a workout might sound ridiculous to gym bros that never leave the squat rack. Or couch potatoes.
I'm imagining some cyclist or hiker or runner or skier or rower or (insert aerobic activity here) on another forum somewhere getting all worked up at someones "ridiculous" claim of a normal workout consisting of lifting 200 lbs over and over again (another very normal thing in many circles).
I never said I expect OP to do longer aerobic activities, just that they are done by many people and it only makes sense to (1) count the calories spent and (2) can make it easier to eat in a deficit for some people. Idk why you are getting so hung up on the particular numbers from my particular situation I used as an example.2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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02-06-2020, 09:48 AM #37
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15 miles and 3000 feet isn't beyond the pale. I've done that several times at the Grand Canyon, Death Valley, and the Spring Mountains in Nevada. Takes a bit of preparation and good shoes.
The very last hike I took was about 24 miles up and over the Funeral mountains from Amargosa Valley on the Nevada side to Furnace Creek in Death Valley on the California side. Of course it was only 2200 feet uphill and 4600 feet downhill, but not counting the stiff and painful legs at the end, and the blistered toes and sore heels, it was a piece of cake.
I don't think I could have walked back the other way, though.
But did I burn 3000 calories? I highly doubt it.“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
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02-06-2020, 10:14 AM #38
I bet you did. Through hikers typically lose tons of weight their first few weeks. A person my weight burns about 100 calories per mile walking. On a bike its about 100 calories per 300 feet of climbing. It's probably a bit more hiking over rough terrain for both of those numbers, but that's what I use just as an estimate. That was when I weighed 165. So likely 10% more now but still a good estimate. That's why I think it's such a good way to burn extra calories - you didn't FEEL like you burned all that, and "only" eat an extra 1000 or so. It doesn't take crazy endurance athlete fitness to do a long hike and enjoy the outdoors. My wife hikes with me and she is ridiculously bad at aerobics. We go slow but we still make 12-15 miles on a typical longer hike. We did 20 with 4300 feet on a particularly tough hike in Yosemite last year, tho that one was a bit hard on her.
2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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02-06-2020, 10:25 AM #39
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Agreed and I've always done it this way. I've never tracked how many calories I'm burning at the gym. A normal weight training session with a little cardio sprinkled in is nothing earth shattering in terms of calories being burned.
If I want to focus on fat loss it's calorie deficit + exercise = resultsNational Level Competitor (Female BB)
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02-06-2020, 10:44 AM #40
The closest I have come to burning 3000 calories is cycling a metric century (Raising money for cancer research)...100km. Actually did 100 on Saturday, and another 100 on the sunday .... the next day. So I burned 2500-3000 calories each day so I was told by the more advanced cyclists. Total of about 4-5 hours each ride. It probably took nearly 3000 calories of "fuel" each day, i ate a sh*t ton of stuff every chance I had starting with breakfast. I was trying to lose weight at the time (spring 2018). On the monday I weighed in......didnt lose a pound, my shorter 25km rides in the following weeks after that sure were fast and easy tho. Longer rides like that are not a regular thing for most people.
Doing it again in June.Please record my time/reps if I pass out
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02-07-2020, 08:14 AM #43
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Does this look accurate, a screenshot of my fitbit from yesterday.
I worked out for an hour, lifting and a bit of cardio in between while waiting for the bars to be freed up.
not sure if the 357 calories burned is accurate? I know someone suggested taking half and eating it back which seems right to me. But I am curious to how accurate the fitbit is (Fitbit Versa)
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02-07-2020, 08:49 AM #44
I am not sure what part you are missing. It is not accurate at all. Yes you exercised, so you burned some calories. How many? You can just guess and probably be as close as your fitbit tells you. Srs....take a dartboard and put random numbers between 100 and 400 and close your eyes and throw the dart. That is how accurate your fitbit is.
You are in a forum filled with all different types of people giving you advice. If you dont want my advice, take that of one of the most accomplished and respected FEMALES on this forum Kimm4. Her accomplishments speak for themselves, and she has helped MANY MANY people on here with accurate and educated advice.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1597213661
As for your Fitbit, here is a info saying a recent study showed them as overestimating burn by as much as 50% I have tried. If you want to 'exercise' your way to allow yourself to eat more, my guess if you will fail. You joined here 10 years ago, and over decade have not made progress. Maybe it is time to consider not repeating the mistakes of your past. In the end, it depends on how important your goals are to you. If you really feel you need to eat that extra 200cals because you feel you 'earned' it, I think your priorities are not in line with your goals. Is stuffing 200 cals in your face really going to make you feel that much better?
Good luck.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-experiments/
Here is another one. Most accurate as 30% off and least accurate was 93% off. The error rate is greatest in people overweight.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-study-finds/RAW lifts
635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
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02-07-2020, 09:09 AM #45
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I am not sure where it says I wasn't taking your advice? I am just asking questions and trying to make sense of all of this and trying to see how accurate the fitbit is, that is all. I did say I felt the advice of taking half to eat back was right? I am not sure if I appreciate the tone you've set. I don't care if the person helping is male or female.
I thought the forum is a safe place to ask questions, no matter how dumb it is (Especially for a dumb person like me)
BTW, I did join 10 years ago, and I've had personal issues and cancer and other things that I dont need to mention that got in the way- I wouldn't judge me as lazy just because I signed up 10 years ago and "have not made much progress". I appreciate your lack of confidence in me. I've lost nearly 40lbs, and that's huge progress given what I had to deal with, thank you.
but thank you for the links, really appreciate it!Last edited by Thatdarndragon; 02-07-2020 at 09:24 AM.
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02-07-2020, 09:24 AM #46
My tone is one of 'tough love'. I wont blow smoke up peoples 'a$$'s. This will not be easy and most people fail.
I have given you the opinion that I strongly disagree with the "eat back 1/2 of what you burned" notion. My suggestion of listening to Kimm is because she is probably the most qualified here to give advice, regardless of male or female. She is by far the most accomplished. Period. So pick you want to take advice from.....
The thing about everyone here, is given our ages, we all have a "past" with struggles that have brought us to where we are.
Most of us have jobs, and families which all make working out a challenge. This wont be easy and most people fail.
It is only you that can chose your path.Last edited by induced_drag; 02-07-2020 at 09:29 AM.
RAW lifts
635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
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02-07-2020, 09:39 AM #47
I second this. Kimm is as reliable as it gets.
I am in the camp of not spending two seconds trying to calculate calories burned. Maaaayyyybe if you have never tracked and you're just looking for a ballpark figure to set your calorie goal for the first time in your life, but otherwise it's grasping at vapor. It changes over time as your body improves in fitness and gets more efficient.
Good luck on your goals. I like how thoughtful you are in the process, but just remember that long term compliance is the most important thing. Don't exasperate yourself with a focus on the minors. Stick to the foundational principles and they will take you a long way!
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02-07-2020, 09:47 AM #48
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The way I see with calories, whether I am wrong or not, its not to eat it back, but to see how much effort i am putting into the exercises. Sure, I can go by how my muscles feel the next day or measurements after over time, but it's just me. I like to see numbers.
Of course, it's nice to know what I've burned in the event I go out for dinner so I can judge my meal plans
Thank you both for the replies, I appreciate the feedbacks.Last edited by Thatdarndragon; 02-07-2020 at 09:54 AM.
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02-07-2020, 10:04 AM #49
I'll just say it one more time that I think this is very dangerous. Even if you were somewhat accurate about what you did during the time you exercised, you have no idea what your body is going to do over the next 24 hour period following that exercise. It is not uncommon that after intense exercise, our body reduces its energy expenditure already to compensate. If you add additional food to match what you think were added calories burned, you may very well completely overshoot your energy balance.
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02-07-2020, 02:02 PM #51
I agree 100%. I hope the OP starts seeing a pattern
Minimize variables and stay consistent. Do not attempt to 'compensate' or fluctuate too many things. Just the simple act of tracking your food alone is filled with enough pitfalls and errors.
To ThatDarnDragon. I am not trying to give you a hard time. I am truly trying to help. A lot of people tend to overcomplicate and micromanage. In the end, they miss the boat, and most often end in failure.
It took me 4 solid years of planning and tracking EVERY meal I ate. That meant prepping most of them because it will come to a point where 'guessing' is no longer sufficient. (you are not at that place so dont worry).
I have been here 10 years and seen many people come and go. Most fail. I am trying to give the things that will be most vital to your success. Tracking energy expenditure is NOT one of them. (as long as you are consistent in your exercise) Just like in counting macros, you can try to account of the thermic values of different foods. Yes there are differences, but it is not worth tracking in the big picture.
If you want to track your cals burned estimates, by all means use it as a form of motivation. Keep a journal and log every workout. See your hard work on the pages of the effort you have put forth. Do that by all means.
I am just saying dont try to use it in your diet planning.
Good luck.
BTW.....if you want to cheat like you out to eat for a special occasion, just skip breakfast, eat a very light lunch, (maybe 4-6oz chicken and a salad) and then go eat dinner.
I personally chose not to cheat EVER. (it works for me). But you can make your diet flexible enough to fit in higher cal intakes on occasion. Just dont try to do it as 'weekly refeeds'RAW lifts
635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
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02-07-2020, 04:25 PM #52
Op you will notice many people do not estimate calories burned from exercise. I'm in that camp as well. I have a fitbit Versa and the calorie estimator is off by as much as 50% on a daily basis. I know what calories it takes for me to gain and what it takes to cut and the fitbit isn't close.
So the way I do it is I exercise routinely and track that as one activity. The amount of food I've consumed does not change the way I train. The training is specific and aligned for the train to reach my goal.
I track calories as a separate activity and the diet is aligned to my goal just like the training. So in your example if I go out and over indulge I simply have to be more controlled the remainder of the week, within reason. Trying to train more due to calorie consumption would only say I wasn't dedicated to my training plan.
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02-07-2020, 10:06 PM #53
Or it would say you are good at planning ahead. Planning for a 1500 calorie night by walking/riding more during the day only makes logical sense.
Different strokes for different lifestyles.
If your lifestyle consists of monotonous same old same every day like many on this forum then no need to change that half of the equation. If you vary your output significantly like one who spends time on active outdoor activities it doesn't makes sense to track input but ignore output. For some people output varies far more than input.2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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02-08-2020, 01:07 AM #54
There also exist 15kg "women's" and 8kg "children's" barbells. These are lighter not because of those people being weaker than men (though at the start they usually are) but because it allows the bar to be thinner, accommodating smaller hands. A well-equipped gym, particularly any gym which hopes to train women and older folk with barbells, will have 15 and 8kg bars.
It's common for young women to need to start pressing with a 15kg bar, and some smaller, previously very sedentary and older women an 8kg bar. In either case they will typically double this in their first 3 months of consistent training. Some may need to start squatting with a 15kg, too, especially if they do front squats. When someone starts training, it is better to err on the side of too light than too heavy, since as we can see from the original post, even when it's very light the person will have a lot of soreness the next day or two - if it's excessive they may not return to the gym.
OP, you're making progress, which is always good. Don't try to estimate your calories burned from exercise. Come up with a meal plan you can follow, and adjust it as you go based on results. Earlier you expressed concern about building muscle, I don't know if you've changed your mind (many do after a few weeks or months), but if not: please go and visit a nursing home, and consider how those people's lives might have been different if they had enthusiastically tried to build some muscle when younger.
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02-08-2020, 06:21 AM #55
Check this list out Thatdarndragon, scroll down to the long list of activities. I hope this helps and Good Luck!
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-...ine-activitiesThere is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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02-08-2020, 12:54 PM #56
Quite honestly, you should just go by the numbers in your training, meaning increasing your lifts and reps, it'll all work out as long as your not constantly eating crap, btw the stronger you get, the more muscle you build and that's actually going to increase your calorie intake, you must "feed the beast", and that is why many also fail.
Like I said in my other post, don't worry about what your losing, think about gains.
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02-08-2020, 04:03 PM #57
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