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    I don't think OP has a leg to stand on...

    "Hey guys I used to binge drink all the time but I don't anymore, everyone else is a degenerate though "

    And I'm not even an aficionado of porn.
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    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    Can you link me to one disingenuous study? Walk your talk.
    Intellectually disingenuous USE of studies. Reading comprehension is key here. The studies on the website do not support the basis of the website.

    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

    The majority of the research on YourBrainOnPorn is literally about additiction, sexual addiction, and addiction to masturbation. Therefore, if you do not have an addiction to any one of these things, the study does not apply to you. Thereby, making the use of these studies intellectually disingenuous when used for the purposes of supporting the thesis that is the primary basis for the website.

    Bolding because it wont let me put in quotes for whatever reason
    [QUOTE=GJLuke;1595805461]Did you know that the proceeds from the YBOP book go to a UK registered charity that promotes education and research on porn’s effects?

    Also did you know there are no ads on the YourBrainOnPorn site? [/qoute]


    If the flat Earth website had a website that didn't have ads, and all proceeds went to charity for funding a flat Earth research, it would still be just as stupid.

    So why should this be any different?

    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    Gary could probably be making tens of thousands of dollars off ad money / book sales per year. Maybe hundreds of thousands. But he chooses to do everything he can to be credible and to help people instead.

    This is who you are calling disingenuous...
    Understand that this does not make his cause any less intellectually dishonest.

    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    There are some pro-porn sexologists (who some apparently are connected with the porn industry) who contacted TED and made them put it there. And I guess TED did it just to be safe. Who knows what the pro-porn sexologists said to get them to do that..

    Gary has helped millions of guys with this issue. He is kind of the God Father of the pornfree movement. In the first video I ever made about porn (back in 2013), I mentioned his TED Talk as one of the sources that inspired me on this journey. Gary is a legend and has helped so many people and it makes me sad that you are spreading falsities about him and trying to delegitimize him. I am extremely, extremely greatful for Gary's work. It's been lifechanging for me and others.
    Oh, so it's a conspiracy, and the porn industry got involved to MAKE TEDtalk place that disclaimer on their video?

    That explanation makes less sense than it actually not being scientifically supported.

    Regardless of whether or not Gary is a good person, his platform is silly, and so are you. Doesn't make you bad people, just kind of dumb.

    The large majority of the population does not have an addiction to internet porn, but a small minority (yourself included) has VERY catastrophic issues with their own addictive personality. The basis of the website is such that PORN is bad for you, when all the studies on the website are discussing ADDICTION.

    Addiction is bad for you.

    That should be the takeaway, but for whatever reason, you and Gary can't seem to get past the method/mode of addiction and move onto the actual pathology
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    I've got some post replies to catchup with... been away from computer.

    But just want to say it's ironic that in my thread about our pornified culture, my sidebar ad is of a women in a bikini right now. Sexually lustful images are everywhere in our culture.
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    You need more porn op you talking like a damn beta cuck that just watched disney movies on a marathon. I would argue that your mentally ill as well, talking about intimate romance sex. Sounds like you been watching to much soap opera and disney movies, and had no dad sit down with you to talk about females and sex. Most women do not watch porn, but still fantasy about pulling hair and doggy style. Sex is meant to be fun and enjoyable and sometimes you gotta spice it up, dating is all about finding someone you are compatible with long term it's not about being romantic during sex everytime.

    Of course there is a time for some romance with a girl you actually love but you are jtalking like a got daym cuck, nobody going to have intimate romantic sex and acting like a beta provider with candle dinners on the first date, and sexual encounter. Your a got damn man your not in high school anymore stop acting like a child about sex.
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    Originally Posted by momo5 View Post
    You need more porn op you talking like a damn beta cuck that just watched disney movies on a marathon. I would argue that your mentally ill as well, talking about intimate romance sex. Sounds like you been watching to much soap opera and disney movies, and had no dad sit down with you to talk about females and sex. Most women do not watch porn, but still fantasy about pulling hair and doggy style. Sex is meant to be fun and enjoyable and sometimes you gotta spice it up, dating is all about finding someone you are compatible with long term it's not about being romantic during sex everytime.

    Of course there is a time for some romance with a girl you actually love but you are jtalking like a got daym cuck, nobody going to have intimate romantic sex and acting like a beta provider with candle dinners on the first date, and sexual encounter. Your a got damn man your not in high school anymore stop acting like a child about sex.

    It's sad how this is the norm today. From everyone I know who practices karezza or tantra with their partner, they have very beautiful relationships. I don't think most people are even aware of karezza or tantric practices, but there is another way of being regarding sexuality for those unaware. Highly recommend looking into.


    Originally Posted by Lao Tzu
    "Into the Realm of Bliss and Wholeness"

    One of my favorite accounts of sacred sexuality is contained in a little-known text by Lao Tzu, an ancient Chinese Taoist. In the Hua Hu Ching,1 Lao Tzu warns that,

    Although most people spend their entire lives following the biological impulse, it is only a tiny portion of our beings. If we remain obsessed with seeds and eggs, we are married to the fertile Great Wall of Chinareproductive valley of the Mysterious Mother but not to her immeasurable heart and all-knowing mind.

    He says that,

    If you wish to unite with her heart and mind, you must integrate yin and yang within and refine their fire upward. Then you have the power to merge with the whole being of the Mysterious Mother.

    He explains further that,

    The first integration of yin and yang is the union of seed and egg within the womb. The second integration of yin and yang is the sexual union of the mature male and female. Both of these are concerned with flesh and blood, and all that is conceived in this realm must one day disintegrate and pass away.

    So far we are on familiar ground, but then he suggests that there is an entirely different level of existence open to us through union.

    It is only the third integration which gives birth to something immortal....The new life created by the final integration is self-aware yet without ego, capable of inhabiting a body yet not attached to it, and guided by wisdom rather than emotion. Whole and virtuous, it can never die.

    Here he refers to the state of enlightenment that the Taoists called Immortality.

    Remarkably, Lao Tzu explains that this mystical union of yin and yang can be achieved through sexual intercourse.

    Because higher and higher unions of yin and yang are necessary for the conception of higher life, some students may be instructed in the art of dual cultivation, in which yin and yang are directly integrated in the tai chi of sexual intercourse....If genuine virtue and true mastery come together…the practice can bring about a profound balancing of the student's gross and subtle energies [otherwise it can have a destructive effect].

    Lao Tzu insists that

    The result of this is improved health, harmonized emotions, the cessation of cravings and impulses, and, at the highest level, the transcendent integration of the entire energy body.
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    obviously. Narcissistic homos are put on a pedestal, and degenerate behavior provides the views. Anything normal is considered boring
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    skimmed thru thread but just gonna say, for what it's worth - was 'hooked' on porn for 10+ years. quit early last year and my quality of life / sex / etc has increased exponentially. dead srs. idc if placebo or there's something more underlying behind it, i'm glad i'm done with that atrocity.
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    Originally Posted by SKBeast View Post
    skimmed thru thread but just gonna say, for what it's worth - was 'hooked' on porn for 10+ years. quit early last year and my quality of life / sex / etc has increased exponentially. dead srs. idc if placebo or there's something more underlying behind it, i'm glad i'm done with that atrocity.
    Love hearing this. Great work man, glad your quality of life has improved so much.

    Every single person I know who has quit porn says life is better without it.

    For those skeptical, and skpeticism is good and healthy, I would encourage you to try 60 days pornfree and see how you feel.
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    Originally Posted by shmobin View Post
    Bro I reviewed every single first page hit from the Google results before submitting that post. You know, for accuracy.

    If I was in charge of a young soul I would not want them looking at porn at all until they were in adult relationships. I'm not even trying to say that it doesn't have a potentially devastating impact on the brain. You can relate to this first hand. I'm saying the way you are trying to encapsulate ALL porn is not only wrong it is disingenuous.

    Porn can be very helpful for the incel. Porn can be very helpful for someone trying to learn and explore, especially the aforementioned female. What degrades porn is addiction like you face. You're a minority bro. Addiction ruins everything. Not the thing itself.
    My bad. It looks like another miscer who posted "data" was getting their data from pornhub though lol.

    Sure, there are is some "intimate" porn. But what percent of porn is that? Less than 0.01%? And even that porn... something just isn't right about jerking it to other people having sex.

    Imagine instead of a camera, you were actually there in their bedroom watching them have sex and masturbating to them. That's what porn is. So even "intimate" porn I don't think is healthy...

    Porn is educating people in disastrous ways. Sure there are some good and intimate educational porns. But do 14 year olds find that porn? Let's be serious bro.

    Yes there is some white and black. It's not ALL bad. But really about 99.99% of porn is unhealthy.
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    Honestly, I don't understand the hate Luke gets for this kind of stuff. Is it possible that you are attacking the person taking the shackles off of you, and showing you that you've lived your entire life looking at Shadows on a wall?

    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe this isn't that big of an issue. There are lots of people who are passionate about things that are not big issues. It happens, and you can ignore it and move on.

    I just have to ask: why are some people so passionate about defending porn, and putting down Luke?
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    Originally Posted by Smegmalion View Post
    Honestly, I don't understand the hate Luke gets for this kind of stuff. Is it possible that you are attacking the person taking the shackles off of you, and showing you that you've lived your entire life looking at Shadows on a wall?

    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe this isn't that big of an issue. There are lots of people who are passionate about things that are not big issues. It happens, and you can ignore it and move on.

    I just have to ask: why are some people so passionate about defending porn, and putting down Luke?
    I appreciate the support Smegmalion.

    I'd be curious to answers to that question too.

    My guess is that the people defending porn are people who view porn. So when I share my perspective they feel that their habit is being personally attacked? I'm not sure. I am surprised by how passionate some people can be defending porn.
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    Originally Posted by maori-rap View Post
    I was never into the hard stuff, but now I'm off porn totally. Day 14 tomorrow. Its not so much the fapping as the porn. It is the porn which is damaging.
    Congrats on being 14 days pornfree!
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    Originally Posted by Cloudmen View Post
    I havent been on the misc for years, but i saw your thread and wanted to respond. I was actually wondering how you have been doing, i have seen you come up and i have read many book recommendations you have given over the years. You probably dont remember me, or my account, I really hope you’re doing well. I think you’re a reminder for everyone that anyone can influence someone’s life in a tiny manner.

    Nevertheless, i want to discuss this topic at hand in a serious manner. People dont like to hear moralist preachery modes of conversation even though your points are not that invalid. I have been thinking about these issues for a while now. I think all of us on the Misc got introduced early on No Fap and its benefits. I had read about it for years, and even though i had never any benefit (or any change for that matter)from it, neither mentally, nor energetically, ultimately it has changed after i started walking a lot. I have swum, i have run, i have done bodybuilding, name anything you want, but when i started walking, an enormous energy came over me, the GODlike mode people used to describe for ages. I dont know if it is an increase of testosteron, or an improved bloodflow, but something changed incredibly. I compare my head to being a carousel, and when i stopped ejaculating, all remained completely firm, rigid, strong. I do not recall ever having felt this strong mentally, no fear, no thoughts. Complete zenlike, mindful, without any trace of anguish.
    I remember telling someone that i actually could imagine someone hitting me in the head with a baseball bat and that i would be able to suffer the blow effortlessly. This is not meant in a form of psychosis, or delusion. Just complete mental strength, the kind Arnold, Bruce Lee, and Ali describe.

    As you are probably aware, also eastern philosophies are conflicted about it. Some doctrines embrace sexuality, others are very rigid, and practical and emphasize that our semen is equivalent and valuable as our own blood. After my own experience i fully believe in this idea, but one has to endure, experience it himself. To find out his inner biological strength, that he doesnt need anything external. That all life’s precious miracle is in itself. His is what the greatest of philosophers and gurus have tried to tell us for thousands of years.

    Again, i dont want to give morality to the misc. Anyone should do however he/she pleases. However, i do argue, that in an age where sexuality is ubiquitous, the realization that one does not need anyone or anything for its happiness, and the strength he gains from it, is essential, even if he has just experienced it for a month. The experience itself lasts a lifetime, as confidence and the strength of self remains imminently present.

    I wish you all the best brother.

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    Very cool that you experienced that Godlike or zenlike energy!

    Yes, different cultures clash about this. But so many ancient traditions, religions, and gurus have hinted at this stuff.

    I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences. All the best to you too!
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    Originally Posted by RtardPuncher View Post
    Porn is DEFINITELY f*cked up and bad for our brains (even the more normal stuff), but in terms of biology, monogamy is not normal. Biologically, men are meant to "spread their seed" as much as possible to keep our species going. I really don't think two humans were ever meant to be around each other constantly for their entire lives, which is why divorce rates are so high--because people get bored of each other.

    Don't get me wrong, I think the fairy tale story of meeting someone, falling in love, getting married, having kids, and living happily ever after is a spectacular idea, but in practice it ends up failing most of the time. Is this was natural, how come it almost never works?
    This is why I'm very curious about the practice of karezza.

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    I'm sure the abusive porn you watch grew more popular after the ridiculously shoddy 50 Shades of Ignorance books were 'written' by a woman who was clueless as to that lifestyle. I very much doubt that sadomasochostic is the most popular porn viewed.

    Divorce rates are actually dropping but 15 to 20 percent of couples are in a sexless relationships.
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    Originally Posted by Jimmehhh View Post
    Glad you shared this! This talk propelled the pornfree movement. Gary's work has helped me a ton!

    In my very first video I made talking about porn (in 2013) I reference the above ted talk as one of the sources that inspired me to explore this.
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    Originally Posted by Scarrdbutsmartr View Post
    Life for me is much better since I cut it out...

    Hard to get away, extremely hard to stay away...

    I dont speak for anyone else but in my life it is/was the devil
    Great job cutting it!

    Like I said earlier, everyone I know who experimented with cutting porn from their lives say their lives improved once pornfree.
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    you missed 1 strong point
    did the society made porn
    or porn making the society
    there are errors that growed
    that promotes degeneracy
    porn is a result of it...not vice versa
    and it wont stop with just porn..it will
    continue to grow bigger and fleshier while
    you cry and go back to your milking factory
    extracting your testis milk like a slave
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    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    Great job cutting it!

    Like I said earlier, everyone I know who experimented with cutting porn from their lives say their lives improved once pornfree.
    So if a guys an FA Incel and has no other outlet than to fap to porn , would it better if he just goes out and rapes in order to have a release ?
    Let’s face a fact , a lot of the Timmies here will never get laid, and their prospects of getting a companion are practically nil.

    I’m not saying porn is a good thing , but unfortunately we’ve become desensitized to everything because of social media .
    Porn is just a small part of the puzzle here .
    If you really want to fix things , stay the fuk off of social media period .
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    only on page 2 but lol @ all you ***ots defending porn. im not against it but its kind of gay lets be real. its just another instant gratification tool in society that we'd be better off without. but yall wanna **** on GJ luke lol...pussies
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    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    my sidebar ad is of a women in a bikini right now. Sexually lustful images are everywhere in our culture.
    Was this it?

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    Originally Posted by chesterprynne View Post
    only on page 2 but lol @ all you ***ots defending porn. im not against it but its kind of gay lets be real. its just another instant gratification tool in society that we'd be better off without. but yall wanna **** on GJ luke lol...pussies
    We’d be far better off without Immigration,but we still do it ?
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    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    I've got some post replies to catchup with... been away from computer.

    But just want to say it's ironic that in my thread about our pornified culture, my sidebar ad is of a women in a bikini right now. Sexually lustful images are everywhere in our culture.
    sex sells

    this just in man lands on moon
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    Thanks for the support brothers. Just trying to spread a positive perspective. Take from it what you want.

    Originally Posted by MajorTendonitis View Post
    So if a guys an FA Incel and has no other outlet than to fap to porn , would it better if he just goes out and rapes in order to have a release ?
    Let’s face a fact , a lot of the Timmies here will never get laid, and their prospects of getting a companion are practically nil.

    I’m not saying porn is a good thing , but unfortunately we’ve become desensitized to everything because of social media .
    Porn is just a small part of the puzzle here .
    If you really want to fix things , stay the fuk off of social media period .
    FAs existed before porn (it seems like porn and our current culture created a TON more though). Second off, I believe a fair amount of FAs have some hope, deep down. And thirdly, if an FA is feeling like he really needs a release, he can always fap without porn.

    But if I were an FA, I would find my enjoyment through a hobby, friends, spirituality, meditation, having an awesome pet, a purpose, art, etc. Being FA doesn't mean one should just throw anything positive out the window and embrace degeneracy.

    That'd be my hope. People can do what they wish. Just sharing my 2c.

    Also, wouldn't fapping to porn just reinforce the lonliness than an FA feels? I think FAs would be happier without porn too.

    But to each their own. Do as you wish.
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    Originally Posted by GJLuke View Post
    Thanks for the support brothers. Just trying to spread a positive perspective. Take from it what you want. Been surprised by the jimmies that have been rustled.



    FAs existed before porn. Second off, I believe a fair amount of FAs have some hope, deep down. And thirdly, if an FA is feeling like he really needs a release, he can always fap without porn.

    But if I were an FA, I would find my enjoyment through a hobby, friends, spirituality, meditation, having an awesome pet, a purpose or art, etc. Being FA doesn't mean one should just throw anything positive out the window and embrace degeneracy.

    That'd be my hope. People can do what they wish. Just sharing my 2c.

    Also, wouldn't fapping to porn just reinforce the lonliness than an FA feels? I think FAs would be happier without porn too.

    But to each their own. Do as you wish.
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    Originally Posted by AVOJAMACADA View Post
    Lol pretty extreme to think its either fap to porn or go rape a female human being. Half the point hes making is that porn has pushed the extreme of what needed to even fap.

    Hell every kids 1st time was a g rated sears catalog with women in robes, in my day lol. Now it takes guys seeing women having a train run in them and extreme sh it. Trust me as im on and off the porn ride lol.

    Also theres 50/50 men to women in earth. For every incel, theres a women out there for him if *some* efforts out in to get it/her. Facts. Problem is porns ruined women alot too. They think every guys packing 9 inches and can get hard on a whim and go 3 hours lol.add social media as you said and its def hard times for incels i cant deny it, but far from impossible.
    Not really . China has more men than sloots . Europe had an influx of young male immigrants tipping the scales also .
    Thinking that theirs somebody for these Incels is ludicrous. Nowadays even Ham Beasts are only swiping right if it’s Chad.
    Wildebeests are getting more validation from men than they’ve ever got in the history of mankind, giving them way more attitude than they should have .

    You pretty much need to oust social media to correct this, but it’s too late anyways
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    Originally Posted by MajorTendonitis View Post
    Not really . China has more men than sloots . Europe had an influx of young male immigrants tipping the scales also .
    Thinking that theirs somebody for these Incels is ludicrous. Nowadays even Ham Beasts are only swiping right on Chad
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    Originally Posted by AVOJAMACADA View Post
    Good to see a different veiw from a decently spoken guy in the misc. I remember ops name vagely.

    Lol@ guys saying hes putting people down and acting holier then thou for saying some blatant truths im a respectfull way.

    Im the direct target ops talking about as im kinky as fuk and know tons of women into major crazy kinks.. but im awwre of of it and im a walking contradiction as i use it as a release for my primal side often. Having high test is real as fum too bro lol.hormones virtually rule human kind dead srs.
    Originally Posted by chesterprynne View Post
    only on page 2 but lol @ all you ***ots defending porn. im not against it but its kind of gay lets be real. its just another instant gratification tool in society that we'd be better off without. but yall wanna **** on GJ luke lol...pussies
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    What's your dating life status Tendonitis?
    Zero . I’m a Timmy
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    After I made this video, a friend told me that "Porhub’s #4 most watched video last week with over 4 million views was of a teen girl, hands/feet shackled down, mouth gagged, being penetrated with a machine, electrocuted until she is screaming in pain & her body burned with wax"... I don't think I am exaggerating when I say our society is mentally ill regarding sexuality.
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