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    Feeling Weak on Cut

    28 years old, 6'1, 210lbs, 20% bodyfat estimated. Cutting on 270g protein 140g carb 65g fat (2225 total).

    I've cut volume by 25% but kept the weight on the bar the same. Recovery doesn't seem to be affected, my muscles aren't sore at all before each workout. However, my workouts suck now, I've only lost 0.5 to 1 rep on a 5 rep max but I feel extremely drained and weak during each set.

    I already know this is to be expected on a cut and I already know the culprit (low carbs) and I already know the solution (gradually adjust carbs up). I'm posting because less time experimenting = more time making progress, other posters have been through this before and might have ideas on the starting point for where to adjust carbs.

    Another reason for posting is that after a certain point of increasing carbs/calories, it stops being a cut and I'll just be spinning my wheels. The answer could also be to accept a certain amount of strength loss and I want to hear opinions on how much loss still means the cut is going well.
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    Not sure exactly how you're approaching it, but some things you may want to consider:
    - If you haven't been cutting long, your body will prob adjust to a certain extent
    - Eating about a cpl hrs before your workout and/or have caffeine/energy drink/pre-workout
    - If you're someone who normally does really high volume, reducing volume by 25% could still be too much if you're eating significantly less (although I like your idea to try to keep the weight the same)
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Not sure exactly how you're approaching it, but some things you may want to consider:
    - If you haven't been cutting long, your body will prob adjust to a certain extent
    - Eating about a cpl hrs before your workout and/or have caffeine/energy drink/pre-workout
    - If you're someone who normally does really high volume, reducing volume by 25% could still be too much if you're eating significantly less (although I like your idea to try to keep the weight the same)
    Coming up on 2 weeks for length. Already eat before and drink some sugar right before. Caffeine is a no go because I train later in the day and won't be able to sleep. Volume is nothing crazy.
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    Originally Posted by mobp View Post
    Coming up on 2 weeks for length. Already eat before and drink some sugar right before. Caffeine is a no go because I train later in the day and won't be able to sleep. Volume is nothing crazy.
    You'll prob get a little more used to it - but yeah, not fun esp if you enjoy eating. Take a multivitamin too.
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    I would decrease your protein and increase your carbs, you probably don't need that much protein even on a cut, 0.9-1g a lb/bw on a cut should be sufficient. It also isn't worth consuming that much protein if your workouts are complete crap with a lack of carbs.

    If you're already feeling like crap it may be a case of just getting used to it but also a case that you tried to cut too much calories too quickly. I wouldn't drop calories by more than 10-15% initially. However, feeling like crap is going to happen so you'll have to accept some of that. Strength loss will happen but it also may be moreso do to leverages and less energy rather than actual strength. Try to maintain the same amount of volume on a cut as much as possible, perhaps try cutting down some of the accessory movements from say 3 sets to 1 or 2 when you feel recovery is impacted.

    IMO at the very least your relative strength/body weight ratios should be going up as you cut. For example if your are 200 lbs and your bench max is 250, if you cut down to 180 lbs and your bench max is 230, it's probably an acceptable loss. However if it goes down to perhaps like 210 or 220 you might need to reconsider things.

    Another way to go about it is just to simply recomp which you could probably do at 20 BF%. It'll take longer but you'll still likely gain some muscle and strength without having the negative effects of a cut. Might not work for everybody but it's an option to consider besides going through bulking/cutting cycles where many people tend to spin there wheels on.
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    On my first cut I was on linear progression. I felt weak like a kitten. I was also biking a lot, so glycogen was low always.

    I lift early in the am, so the day before lifting days I would basically eat almost no carbs all day, then at around eight at night eat almost all my complex carbs for the day.

    Come morning I would feel like Superman. On my lifting days (because I lift at 5 am) I would eat slightly fewer carbs on that day so that I could eat a few more before lifting days.

    Total carbs, fats and protein would be the same at the end of the week, but I'd have great fuel for workouts.
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