and that's the reason student loans should be forgiven.
what kind of country tells its population "if you want to become a high value member of society and develop a good career you have to be rich."
how many of you chose not to go to college because of the cost?
higher education should be a meritocracy, not a privilege of the wealthy. its ironic that the whole point of becoming a doctor or lawyer or whatever is to earn a good living and provide for your family, but its only available to those who are already wealthy to begin with.
anyway trump wont be prez forever and eventually we'll have a dem socialist who will forgive student debt just like the banks and auto industries
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01-13-2020, 07:12 AM #1
you shouldnt have to be rich (or take massive loans) to get a higher education
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01-13-2020, 07:17 AM #6
You don't have to be. I wasn't and i got my bs/ms and ended up with only 1.7k debt...working as a lifeguard and at cinnabon...
you just have to not be stupid about it.
1) live with your parents if you can. if you can't, you're going to have to work 10hrs a week more
2) start off at a cc then go to a state college
3) maximize the amount of classes you can take. hit the unit cap or get an exemption for yourself. it's easy
3) be smart about your purchases
a cal state, which i'm assuming is more expensive than other state colleges costs ~3.5k for full time enrollment a semester. so 7k a year. + let's say 1k a year for books/supplies if you can't figure out how to get them for cheaper
so 8k a year assuming you don't start at a cc. That's easily manageableMS, Computer Science
Feel free to PM me CS questions
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01-13-2020, 07:18 AM #7
If America wants to catch up with the developed countries of the 21st century they're going to have to start investing in their country and not the middle east. Republicans are simply cuck peasants fighting against their own interests for the benefit of corporate America.
They'll start singing a different tune when it gets to be too late and they wonder what can be done about the problem being shoved in their faces.
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01-13-2020, 07:21 AM #8
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01-13-2020, 07:24 AM #11
Americans don't trust government because you let your government get usurped by corporate power. Reform the system and start investing in the country instead of spending 6 trillion tax dollars with interest on the Middle East. Plus how many of their contractor friends made money from it. All while the peasantry pay for it both in their income tax on their labor and in their literal lives.
America is already lagging behind the developed countries of the 21st century. How bad is the country going to get before something gets done about it?
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01-13-2020, 07:30 AM #14
Two problems I always bring up when this topic pops up:
Crack down on companies requiring degrees for jobs that don’t. They use this as an easy way to weed out candidates but it does nothing but perpetuate the belief that you NEED an degree to get anywhere (because in many cases you do).
I don’t think free education across the board is the way to go. I do think “in need” degrees should be offered for free or heavily subsidized. Some states already to this by paying for school if you agree to stay and work in the state for a number of years.
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01-13-2020, 07:31 AM #16
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You dont have to be rich or take out loans, go to community college then transfer to a reasonable school and get a degree that actually pays for itself. Problem solved *******.
Too many kids go to an out of state expensive school and get crap degrees while partying it up and bitch about it after. F them all.Yellow fever crew
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01-13-2020, 07:32 AM #17
Hay Guys, lets blame Trump for these mostly bastions of marxism and socialism for purposefully putting the majority of their useful idiots in massive debt while constantly jacking up the cost of admission at every turn.
My nephews tuition has jumped nearly 20% since his freshmen year to his senior year to over 70K a year....Trump didnt do that, his high end university, which preaches socialism did.
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01-13-2020, 07:32 AM #18
I didn't say that. The costs ballooned out of control because it was made easy to get student loans so the private institutions increased their prices to match the demand. Try to stick to the facts like I do instead of strawman.
Sanders will get less money. Clinton was an establishment candidate who took money from Wall St. Try to stick to the facts instead of strawman.
That's another issue indicating a need for serious reform. There are smart people looking into this problem, meanwhile what would republicans ever do about it? They'd prefer getting the government out of it entirely and letting those who can pay for it do so to private institutions of their choosing. While that sounds okay for those who can afford it, it's not necessarily good for the country as a whole, and in the long-term and when compared on an international scale.
Honestly, republicans should just take a seat on the sidelines while the progressives like Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez help usher the United States into the 21st century.
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01-13-2020, 07:33 AM #19
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I'm on this 100%
My initial plan for my kids was a large saving system I had with a series of education investment and tax benefit vehicles, general saving, etc.
When my son started college last fall I told him forget that, go ballz in on student loans. As much as he possibly is allowed to do.
If this BS never passes so be it, we will use the savings to pay them all off.
But my guess is within 10 years it will so why the f should I pay.
And I have enough aside right now to fully fund both my kids wherever they go, not gonna spend a dime of it if I can.Intelligent individuals learn from every thing and every one; average people, from their experiences. The stupid already have all the answers.
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01-13-2020, 07:33 AM #20
Americans have never trusted government hence why we’re an independent nation and you’re still a commonwealth under the queen of britain(just LOL).
What exactly should our government invest in? The public education system is not in good shape despite budget increases every year, should we subject higher education to the same fate?
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01-13-2020, 07:34 AM #21
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01-13-2020, 07:35 AM #23
Well, if you don't have a lot of money and you don't want to take out a loan but still want to go to university you gotta use your big brain to think outside of the box.
For example, a charter flight from the US to Germany costs about 500-600 dollar and university there is free and relatively high quality. Ib4 "But I don't speak German", well many lectures are in English and if you don't have the intelligence to learn a new language in lets say a year then you should ask yourself if higher education is really for you to begin with.Het bier zal weer vloeien
In ons Gelderland
Op winst in de strijd
Op vlees en jolijt
Kom laat ons nu drinken
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01-13-2020, 07:38 AM #25
There's so many cheap options + you can work or join the military to get GI Bill, there's no reason you can't get a degree without drowning in debt. The problem is, everybody wants the 'traditional college' experience and 'good' schools and taking out max loan to pay rent and buy a car and $2000 macbook etc.
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01-13-2020, 07:46 AM #30
Straw man, after your initial assertion that (R) are the corporate whores(I don't disagree) I simply asked you a pretty easy question on who received more money last time around. I think most D are stuck in the 80s in regards to (R) being the biggest/only corporate whore.
Hillary, the D nominee received more Wall St/Big Tech money than Trump and the next nominee, Biden will do the same.
Hillary and Obama have been the biggest corporate whores ever.
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