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    Bernie Sanders is Lying to You

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    In fact, all those who say that Trump’s tax cuts were for the rich, that the system is rigged against the poor, are lying to you.
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    Bernie Sanders has never said a word to me.
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    Hmm.. which to believe. Trump who lies to us multiple times every day, or someone who has been consistent with his positions for 30+ years..




    Oh, and the tax breaks for the rich are permanent, the middle class "tax breaks" are not.
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    silly op

    after a few years the wealthy realize 80% of the benefits from the tax break

    thats why people with brains call it a tax break for the wealthy

    i doubt you even listen to a word bernie says anyway. hes very clear
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Hmm.. which to believe. Trump who lies to us multiple times every day, or someone who has been consistent with his positions for 30+ years..




    Oh, and the tax breaks for the rich are permanent, the middle class "tax breaks" are not.
    Yeah, so consistent he willingly gave his campaign funds to Hillary before he conceded publicly. Because it was her turn. Much honest. Very integrity. Wow.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    silly op

    after a few years the wealthy realize 80% of the benefits from the tax break

    thats why people with brains call it a tax break for the wealthy

    i doubt you even listen to a word bernie says anyway. hes very clear
    people with brains realize the wealthy have a disproportionate amount of the income so they would naturally have a disproportionate amount of any wide reaching tax break. The problem isn't the tax break...its the proportion of wealth the rich have now that markets are condensing into state ordained monopolies.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Hmm.. which to believe. Trump who lies to us multiple times every day, or someone who has been consistent with his positions for 30+ years..




    Oh, and the tax breaks for the rich are permanent, the middle class "tax breaks" are not.

    Yeah. Super consistent millionaire that wants everyone else to give up their income while donating next to nothing to charity, continues to take his mayoral pension despite his $160,000 salary, and whose wife destroyed Burlington College.
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    I'm wealthy and I still paid 60k+ in combined taxes last year, not including the 15k+ I'll owe when filing with zero refund.

    For some odd reason, liberals continue telling me I'm not paying my fair share while they collect refunds and contribute zero net taxes to our government. Strange.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    Yeah, so consistent he willingly gave his campaign funds to Hillary before he conceded publicly. Because it was her turn. Much honest. Very integrity. Wow.
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    Originally Posted by 89FoxBody View Post
    Yeah. Super consistent millionaire that wants everyone else to give up their income while donating next to nothing to charity, continues to take his mayoral pension despite his $160,000 salary, and whose wife destroyed Burlington College.
    Funny how you guys want to hammer Bernie for signing a book deal and his wife inheriting family money that recently made him a millionaire.. not even a multi-millionaire (can you name a single Senator who isn't a multi-millionaire let alone after 30 years?) Meanwhile, Trump's "foundation" was such a scam that Trump had to pay millions in penalties and was shut down.. but Bernie didn't donate. LOL

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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Hmm.. which to believe. Trump who lies to us multiple times every day, or someone who has been consistent with his positions for 30+ years..




    Oh, and the tax breaks for the rich are permanent, the middle class "tax breaks" are not.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    people with brains realize the wealthy have a disproportionate amount of the income so they would naturally have a disproportionate amount of any wide reaching tax break. The problem isn't the tax break...its the proportion of wealth the rich have now that markets are condensing into state ordained monopolies.
    I’m 2011 I paid around 22% in taxes. I made less than $80,000. In 2011, Mitt Romney made $13 million and paid 14% in taxes. That makes sense to you?
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    Originally Posted by 89FoxBody View Post
    Yeah. Super consistent millionaire that wants everyone else to give up their income while donating next to nothing to charity, continues to take his mayoral pension despite his $160,000 salary, and whose wife destroyed Burlington College.
    How did Trump university work out? Any lawsuits there? Hmmmmm
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    I’m 2011 I paid around 22% in taxes. I made less than $80,000. In 2011, Mitt Romney made $13 million and paid 14% in taxes. That makes sense to you?
    You were taxed on income. He was taxed on investments. It WOULD make sense if the same companies weren't gaming the back end of everything, which was my original point.

    The disparity shouldn't be so wide, no.
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    Originally Posted by misterpenishead View Post
    I’m 2011 I paid around 22% in taxes. I made less than $80,000. In 2011, Mitt Romney made $13 million and paid 14% in taxes. That makes sense to you?
    There's risk when investing, hence the lower tax percentage. This doesn't take a rocket scientist.

    Want a lower tax percentage? Invest. Anybody can do it.
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    There's risk when investing, hence the lower tax percentage. This doesn't take a rocket scientist.

    Want a lower tax percentage? Invest. Anybody can do it.
    Why invest when you can just blow all your money and live paycheck to paycheck?
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    You were taxed on income. He was taxed on investments. It WOULD make sense if the same companies weren't gaming the back end of everything, which was my original point.

    The disparity shouldn't be so wide, no.
    His investments were his income, dumbass.
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    There's risk when investing, hence the lower tax percentage. This doesn't take a rocket scientist.

    Want a lower tax percentage? Invest. Anybody can do it.
    The man earned $13 million dollars more than I did that year. EARNED! Yet he paid a smaller portion of his EARNINGS in income tax than I did. Super god damn fair.
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    Every politician lies.... like all the time. Trump is no better or worse than the others. Maybe he says more random BS because he's not a polished politician who is used to trying to please everyone but he's better than Obama or what Hilary would have been.
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    The economy is in safer hands with the man who got kicked out of a commune for being too lazy and didn't have a job until his 40s over the billionaire.

    I'm sure Bernard will be dramatically dropping my tax rates as well as replacing my chitty ppo plan with world class medicare coverage.
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    Originally Posted by misterpenishead View Post
    The man earned $13 million dollars more than I did that year. EARNED! Yet he paid a smaller portion of his EARNINGS in income tax than I did. Super god damn fair.
    Capital gains is taxed at a lower rate to encourage investment. Or else companies, maybe including the one you work at, wouldn't survive.

    Romney had lots of money invested. That's also a lot of money at risk since investment has risk of loss.

    Romney was a smart investor.

    You can be a good investor as well and take advantage of the lower tax rate if you'd like. Or you can just btch about it online while making less than 80k per year.
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    Originally Posted by AgRyan View Post
    Every politician lies.... like all the time. Trump is no better or worse than the others. Maybe he says more random BS because he's not a polished politician who is used to trying to please everyone but he's better than Obama or what Hilary would have been.
    This is a lie we hear over and over. No, Trump lies. And lies. And lies.

    Even Bush Jr didn't lie like this and he let Cheney start the Iraq war.


    To equate Obama to this is complete nonsense.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    This is a lie we hear over and over. No, Trump lies. And lies. And lies.

    Even Bush Jr didn't lie like this and he let Cheney start the Iraq war.


    To equate Obama to this is complete nonsense.
    Drumpf is definitely much worse than kindly old uncle George. Obama had a scandal free administration so the comparison is silly.
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    Drumpf is definitely much worse than kindly old uncle George. Obama had a scandal free administration so the comparison is silly.
    Did uncle George ask the FBI Director for a pledge of allegiance like Trump did?

    Did Obama produce a birth certificate?.. (this conversation should end here)

    Did Obama withhold funds until a leader of another country was forced to schedule an interview with Fox News that he was opening an investigation into Mitt Romney?
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    Capital gains is taxed at a lower rate to encourage investment. Or else companies, maybe including the one you work at, wouldn't survive.

    Romney had lots of money invested. That's also a lot of money at risk since investment has risk of loss.

    Romney was a smart investor.

    You can be a good investor as well and take advantage of the lower tax rate if you'd like. Or you can just btch about it online while making less than 80k per year.
    We’re not talking about investments, idiot. We’re talking about income. Jesus you really are brain damaged.
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    Originally Posted by halfway View Post
    the economy is in safer hands with the man who got kicked out of a commune for being too lazy and didn't have a job until his 40s over the billionaire.

    I'm sure bernard will be dramatically dropping my tax rates as well as replacing my chitty ppo plan with world class medicare coverage.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    This is a lie we hear over and over. No, Trump lies. And lies. And lies.

    Even Bush Jr didn't lie like this and he let Cheney start the Iraq war.


    To equate Obama to this is complete nonsense.
    I'll take a lying blowhard over a guy who started two unnecessary wars or the other idiot who crashed the economy and the healthcare system at the same time.
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    Capital gains is taxed at a lower rate to encourage investment. Or else companies, maybe including the one you work at, wouldn't survive.

    Romney had lots of money invested. That's also a lot of money at risk since investment has risk of loss.

    Romney was a smart investor.

    You can be a good investor as well and take advantage of the lower tax rate if you'd like. Or you can just btch about it online while making less than 80k per year.
    i hate to be a buzz kill and to be fair capital gains are complex taxes, but you definitely have no idea how capital gains are taxed.

    state and federal, and capital gains are ALSO treated as taxable income, separate from just the capital gains tax itself

    so not only is it taxed as capital gains, but its ALSO taxed as income
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