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    Originally Posted by KingBlumpkin View Post
    That's unfortunate. The majority of the people I work with are not firearms enthusiasts. They qualify, carry, and at the end of their shift they put their weapon in their locker. No cleaning, lube, etc. The only malfunction I have ever seen on the range was from a first Gen Glock 17, I think it was the ammo they were using, after ten rounds it stopped ejecting shell casings. The brass freaked out and within weeks we switched over to Sig.
    That's like swapping from a toyota to a fiat because you got a flat tire. I love Sigs but they are waaayyy more finicky than Glocks
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    Originally Posted by TBO1313 View Post
    That's like swapping from a toyota to a fiat because you got a flat tire. I love Sigs but they are waaayyy more finicky than Glocks
    Yes, going from a DAO to a S/D action for some is a hard transition.
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    Originally Posted by KingBlumpkin View Post
    Considering Officer’s qualify bi-annually with their duty weapon, I’d say you’re wrong. The average department changes every 5 years. Then again what do you consider high round counts?
    Unless the qual is significantly more than 1000 rounds, that's not heavy volume.
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    Originally Posted by KingBlumpkin View Post
    Considering Officer’s qualify bi-annually with their duty weapon, I’d say you’re wrong. The average department changes every 5 years. Then again what do you consider high round counts?
    This varies by state with many state standards for peace officers only requiring like 150 rounds fired to Qual once a year. For a modern semi auto pistol a high round count buying used would be well into the thousands at least lets call it like over 5k

    In ga the standard is once a year to maintain peace officer requirements and is like 120ish rounds that once a year, though l some departments do require more, highest I've heard of is 150 rounds quarterly. Still small potatoes on a 9mm Glock
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    gen5 g19 crew checkin in. losing some chub so my IWB stops killin me
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    Took 4 months from start to finish but got my MA ltc. Was annoyed to find out that civilians can't buy fully assembled glocks because the AG banned dealers from selling them to non LEO because the safety isn't good enough or something. Utterly ridiculous. So I found some nice fellows who sold me a frame and a slide separately. Now own a brand new g17 gen 5.

    I need to do some research but, as far as I can tell you CAN own a 5.56 capable AR here, it just needs to have some silly, ridiculous limitations that some clever folks have found some reasonable workarounds for. Pinned 10 round mag, so they made a "not" magazine where you use your thumb to shlup 10 rounds into the ejection port just as fast. And the butt stock needs a bolt so it takes longer to adjust. Ridiculous but not a deal breaker. Might look into it eventually.
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    Originally Posted by Wazooty View Post
    Took 4 months from start to finish but got my MA ltc. Was annoyed to find out that civilians can't buy fully assembled glocks because the AG banned dealers from selling them to non LEO because the safety isn't good enough or something. Utterly ridiculous. So I found some nice fellows who sold me a frame and a slide separately. Now own a brand new g17 gen 5.

    I need to do some research but, as far as I can tell you CAN own a 5.56 capable AR here, it just needs to have some silly, ridiculous limitations that some clever folks have found some reasonable workarounds for. Pinned 10 round mag, so they made a "not" magazine where you use your thumb to shlup 10 rounds into the ejection port just as fast. And the butt stock needs a bolt so it takes longer to adjust. Ridiculous but not a deal breaker. Might look into it eventually.
    Remember, cops are civilians. They are not uniformed combatants in the military.

    Good job seeing it through. The Mass gun control regime is all about discouraging access.
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    Dnt wanna buy...my grandma got one maybe i can use that one for hunting
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    What are your thoughts on P80 kits vs just buying a G19?
    So, with a polymer 80 people usually think of things like "avoiding a background check", but the biggest advantage is being able to put together the pistol exactly the way you want from the start, much the same as building vs buying an AR. Want a more vertical grip? Want a long slide G19? Want to get a flat face trigger? Those are all features that have an advantage on the P80. You're not going to save money building a P80.

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    Been thinking about getting an Ec9s myself.
    I don't have any feedback on those, but Ruger guns are usually pretty decent.

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    Ruger doesn't really make sexy, high speed, gauntlet defeating, duty-type guns that you'll see or hear about in LEO holsters or military armories or shot by die hard gun guys or trainers (generally speaking), but, they do make a lot of guns and you don't see very many complaints.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Ruger doesn't really make sexy, high speed, gauntlet defeating, duty-type guns that you'll see or hear about in LEO holsters or military armories or shot by die hard gun guys or trainers (generally speaking), but, they do make a lot of guns and you don't see very many complaints.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Ruger doesn't really make sexy, high speed, gauntlet defeating, duty-type guns that you'll see or hear about in LEO holsters or military armories or shot by die hard gun guys or trainers (generally speaking), but, they do make a lot of guns and you don't see very many complaints.

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    Why are all your full size handguns 9mm? I was thinking of getting either a Sig P220 or a HK45 for work (security). I would love to get a Springfield 1911 but they only allow us to carry Glock, HK, or Sig Sauer, and I would prefer a .45 over 9mm
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    Why are all your full size handguns 9mm? I was thinking of getting either a Sig P220 or a HK45 for work (security). I would love to get a Springfield 1911 but they only allow us to carry Glock, HK, or Sig Sauer, and I would prefer a .45 over 9mm
    Modern expanding hollowpoint ammunition has largely eliminated the advantages of larger cartridges, and the general, widespread availability of inexpensive 9mm target ammo makes it significantly easier to become proficient with.
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    Originally Posted by Briangumble View Post
    Why are all your full size handguns 9mm? I was thinking of getting either a Sig P220 or a HK45 for work (security). I would love to get a Springfield 1911 but they only allow us to carry Glock, HK, or Sig Sauer, and I would prefer a .45 over 9mm
    Because it's 2020, not 1920, and with modern expanding jacketed hollow points 9mm:

    -creates effectively the same wound track
    -costs 60% as much
    -Typically has between 30-100% more rounds in the magazine.

    There's no reason to own a .45 these days other than "I want to own a .45" unless you live in a slave state that doesn't allow standard capacity magazines or restricts modern defensive 9mm loads.
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    Originally Posted by Briangumble View Post
    Why are all your full size handguns 9mm? I was thinking of getting either a Sig P220 or a HK45 for work (security). I would love to get a Springfield 1911 but they only allow us to carry Glock, HK, or Sig Sauer, and I would prefer a .45 over 9mm
    Higher capacity. With good defensive ammo . . . shot placement + having more shots wins when it's 9mm vs .40 vs .45.
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    Originally Posted by Ikeman83 View Post
    Because it's 2020, not 1920, and with modern expanding jacketed hollow points 9mm:

    -creates effectively the same wound track
    -costs 60% as much
    -Typically has between 30-100% more rounds in the magazine.

    There's no reason to own a .45 these days other than "I want to own a .45" unless you live in a slave state that doesn't allow standard capacity magazines or restricts modern defensive 9mm loads.
    I live in California so we're limited to 10 rounds
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    Originally Posted by Briangumble View Post
    I live in California so we're limited to 10 rounds
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    Originally Posted by Briangumble View Post
    I live in California so we're limited to 10 rounds
    Move to America and buy a 9mm. I don't even know what handguns you're even allowed to buy. This might be a good option:

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    So, with a polymer 80 people usually think of things like "avoiding a background check", but the biggest advantage is being able to put together the pistol exactly the way you want from the start, much the same as building vs buying an AR. Want a more vertical grip? Want a long slide G19? Want to get a flat face trigger? Those are all features that have an advantage on the P80. You're not going to save money building a P80.
    I know that you won't save money much money but from what I've seen with some deals recently is that is you get the OEM Glock parts kit they come pretty close to being the same price. I was referring more to OEM Glock slides and frames vs the stuff that comes in the P80 kits. I hear the P80 frames have a different grip angle but I've never held one before

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    I live in California
    Have you considered not doing that?
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    I live in California so we're limited to 10 rounds
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    Originally Posted by IlChosenOne View Post
    I picked 2 pistol mags on my lunch break. One 18 round and 1 20 round. Freedom feels good
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